The measurement of time, times, and half a time!

[precepts]

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

This is the measurement of time.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

The woman is nourished in both verses in the wilderness for a time, times, and half a time which equals a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

This is also the amount of time the two witnesses testify, which later are killed for 3 1/2 days, and rise, which prophetically equals the 42 mths the heavenly temple's courts were defiled, which equals 3 1/2 yrs, which is 1260 days if divided by 360 days, which must equal "a time, times, and half a time," according to these verses. The woman is nourished (fed) for a time, times, an half a time, 1260 days!

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

1260 days is equal to 42 mths, which is 3 1/2 yrs, which is "time, times, and half a time. This is only possible if the 1260 days is divided by 360 days. 360 days times 3 1/2 yrs equals 1260 days which is 42 mths.



How much days did Israel spend in the wilderness post exodus from Egypt? 42 yrs! How long did Christ preach before his crucifixtion? 3 1/2 yrs! How long is the covenant confirmed? 3 1/2 yrs. How long does the abomination of desolation stand? 1290 days, which is 1 mth longer than 1260 days. The heavenly sanctuary is cleansed 1 1/2 month later, the 1335th day/year. They all represent a time when evil triumphed, 3 1/2 days/years, 42 months/yrs, and 1260 days/years!





Time = 360 days = 1 year

Times = 2 X 360 = 720 days = 2years

dividing of time = 360/2 = 180 days = 1/2 year

Total = 360 days +720 days +180 days = 1260 days = 3 1/2 hebrew yrs = 42 hebrew months!

This is the measurement of time, times, and half of time!

 

[jasoncran]

stood you mean.

uh why is the temple going to be holy again?

 

[smaller]

The 'terms' of time, times and half a time are much more interesting than just numeric conversions.

Esau bemoaned the "Time" of Jacob in this manner:

Genesis 27:36
And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times:

he took away my birthright;

and, behold, now

he hath taken away my blessing.

Yet even for Jacob and 'long after' his physical death we find TROUBLE TIME for Jacob as well:

Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

The spiritual understanding of the parable can be discerned and it has zero to do with '42 months of the Jewish or any other calendar of man.'

Here is another choice piece on 'time.'

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

If you were to take the 3 measures of TIME as this:

Time
Times
half a Time

Which of those 3 would be 'a short time?'

Yes, it's obvious on the short time. How do we know that the devil, Satan has to be factored into the equation of the above?

Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The DIVIDING TIME or 'half time' is 'the separation' of SHEEP from GOATS.

The TIME of the DEVIL

will be separated from

the TIMES of mankind

During the 'time of separation' there will be SILENCE IN THE HEAVENS for the space of...how much time?

1/2 HOUR.

John the Apostle told us nearly 2000 YEARS ago that we were already in THE LAST TIME.

Unto WHOM then does the LAST TIME (singular tense) apply to in John's usage?

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Job 28:
28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Matthew 16:3
And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Acts 1:
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Summing up:

Satan was in the Garden on DAY 1 of ADAM. Satan is still here on earth....this is 'his time' and 'his generation.' The devil and his family has not 'passed away.' They WILL come to an END on THAT GREAT and FINAL and TERRIBLE DAY.

Therefore in the generations of MAN it is THEIR TIME.

There have been 'thousands' of generations of MAN. Therefore MAN has TIME plural or TIMES.

and the last equation of TIME is the 1/2 or the DIVIDING of TIME.

This is when the GENERATION or TIME of the wicked is DIVIDED or SEPARATED from the TIMES OF MANKIND.

Matthew 8:29
And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Luke 8:
31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

It might appear to some that Jesus answered the plead/prayer of DEVILS, but, it was not yet the 'end' of their TIME

...it will be SOON. Very soon!

s

 

[Eventide]

Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

Revelation 12 is an amazing chapter to say the least.. and I like many in Christendom often applied this in a 'past' tense, although imo it is clearly a future prophecy (with respect to things which shall be hereafter) concerning the nation of Israel (the woman with child) being born again and then protected in the wilderness during the tribulation.

Notice that Daniel 12 aligns perfectly with this.. and there we're told it pertains to the time of the end, when his (Daniel's) people shall be delivered.. for the Deliverer shall come from Sion and turn ungodliness from JACOB.. who is Israel.. in that Day, the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ.

Paul tells us that the Day of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night, and as travail upon a woman with child.. and we can certainly see that Day approaching..

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

Revelation 12 is an amazing chapter to say the least.. and I like many in Christendom often applied this in a 'past' tense, although imo it is clearly a future prophecy (with respect to things which shall be hereafter) concerning the nation of Israel (the woman with child) being born again and then protected in the wilderness during the tribulation.

Notice that Daniel 12 aligns perfectly with this.. and there we're told it pertains to the time of the end, when his (Daniel's) people shall be delivered.. for the Deliverer shall come from Sion and turn ungodliness from JACOB.. who is Israel.. in that Day, the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ.

Paul tells us that the Day of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night, and as travail upon a woman with child.. and we can certainly see that Day approaching..

i have been told an elder that is a die hard dispy that this verse isnt in the future totally but going back to then and then saying because of this. this will happen.

i dont buy any seven year period.

 

[Eventide]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

i have been told an elder that is a die hard dispy that this verse isnt in the future totally but going back to then and then saying because of this. this will happen.

i dont buy any seven year period.

It certainly falls within the portion of the book which pertains to the things which shall be hereafter.. and so imo it does not pertain to the present time.. ie, to the things which are..

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

It certainly falls within the portion of the book which pertains to the things which shall be hereafter.. and so imo it does not pertain to the present time.. ie, to the things which are..

from johns perspective not ours.

not all of its fulfilled but well given my limited reasearch.

and what my tanakh says its a given that the aod did occur in ad 70.

why would god tell us this in acts 1:8"its not for you to know the seasons but my father in heaven"?

then give John whom was there a vision of such event?

the woman is isreal and she has a man child whom was to rule the nations..


so that is something in the future? another jesus?

 

[Eventide]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

so that is something in the future? another jesus?

IMO it is future although the same Jesus.. and the Revelation of Jesus Christ is often understood as the unveiling of Jesus Christ.. iow.. God's annointed King of kings being revealed from heaven.. His coming again is described for us there in Rev 19..

Just sharing.. opinions obviously vary significantly around here... although once again, it undoubtedly pertains to the portion of the book with respect to the things which shall be hereafter.. and of course we know (should at least) from countless prophecy that the nation of Israel will be restored in the end.

 

[reba]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

Revelation 12 is an amazing chapter to say the least.. and I like many in Christendom often applied this in a 'past' tense, although imo it is clearly a future prophecy (with respect to things which shall be hereafter) concerning the nation of Israel (the woman with child) being born again and then protected in the wilderness during the tribulation.

Notice that Daniel 12 aligns perfectly with this.. and there we're told it pertains to the time of the end, when his (Daniel's) people shall be delivered.. for the Deliverer shall come from Sion and turn ungodliness from JACOB.. who is Israel.. in that Day, the Day of the Lord, the Day of Jesus Christ.

Paul tells us that the Day of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night, and as travail upon a woman with child.. and we can certainly see that Day approaching..

Mat 21:4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
Mat 21:5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

IMO it is future although the same Jesus.. and the Revelation of Jesus Christ is often understood as the unveiling of Jesus Christ.. iow.. God's annointed King of kings being revealed from heaven.. His coming again is described for us there in Rev 19..

Just sharing.. opinions obviously vary significantly around here... although once again, it undoubtedly pertains to the portion of the book with respect to the things which shall be hereafter.. and of course we know (should at least) from countless prochecy that the nation of Israel will be restored in the end.

ah, jews didnt write prophetic utterance in a greek linear fashion.

that is why i said that.im may not be a dispy but i do accept a restored isreal but exactly how or when isnt revealed.

the aod imho cant occur again because that has to mean either the jews come back and the build the temple and then its defiled

side note im doing hannukah and that is what the aods removal was about!

 

[Eventide]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

Mat 21:4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,
Mat 21:5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

So what are you saying, that Rev 12 has been fulfilled..? And if so, then how so ?

 

[Eventide]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

ah, jews didnt write prophetic utterance in a greek linear fashion.

that is why i said that.im may not be a dispy but i do accept a restored isreal but exactly how or when isnt revealed.

the aod imho cant occur again because that has to mean either the jews come back and the build the temple and then its defiled

side note im doing hannukah and that is what the aods removal was about!

To each his own Jason.. I shared an opinion, you see it differently.. so be it.

 

[Eventide]

The nation of Israel remains blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.. Paul writes that they are enemies as concerning the gospel and yet beloved for the sake of the fathers.. the countless OT patriarchs who were justified by faith..

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

do channukah

the feast of dedication is said purging of the aod.

so something of that sort would have to happen. but christ did away with the temple.

the miracle of the western lamp(note the channukah menora has nine candles vs seven of the temple menorahs) points to the cross. all allusions to the isreal in the gospel are of judgment not restoration.

matthew 24 speaks of a judgment not a restoration.imho.

 

[jasoncran]

The nation of Israel remains blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.. Paul writes that they are enemies as concerning the gospel and yet beloved for the sake of the fathers.. the countless OT patriarchs who were justified by faith..

i understand that.

and jesus says jerusalem shall be trampled upon till the time of the gentiles be fullfilled.

but even in the trib idea , jerusalem isnt set free till the he comes back. you dont have to preach to me the blindness thing.

i read alot of jewish stuff and often have posted it here.

i could post something on channukah that i have learned.

 

[Eventide]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

all allusions to the isreal in the gospel are of judgment not restoration.

We know from the gospel of Matthew that the nation of Israel will be restored when He comes again..

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

We know for a fact from Matt 25 that Christ will sit upon the throne of His glory when He comes in His glory.. and that's certainly future... and we know that His Apostles (resurrected) will be sitting upon twelve thrones and they will be judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

It's a biblical fact.

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

We know from the gospel of Matthew that the nation of Israel will be restored when He comes again..

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

We know for a fact from Matt 25 that Christ will sit upon the throne of His glory when He comes in His glory.. and that's certainly future... and we know that His Apostles (resurrected) will be sitting upon twelve thrones and they will be judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

It's a biblical fact.

he will but im not talking about the modern state or were you?

in the regeneration. eh has that occured?

no. judging eh that means the the millenium.

and when i mean allusions i meant the parables.

not that statement, to correct myself. the modern state of isreal isnt anywhere near the ancient one.

god could kill all them jews and give that land to the saved that are there when he returns.

 

[Eventide]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

he will but im not talking about the modern state or were you?

There's only one nation of Israel.. and it is currently blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.. and it remains an enemy as pertaining to the gospel and yet they're beloved for the sake of the fathers.

in the regeneration. eh has that occured?

no. judging eh that means the the millenium.

I agree, the thousand year reign of Christ right here on earth.. and He shall be King over all the earth in that Day.

god could kill all them jews and give that land to the saved that are there when he returns.

According to Zech, 2/3 of them will be cut off and die, and the others will be taken through the fire.. the time of Jacob's trouble.. and that's what Rev 12 is all about imo.

 

[jasoncran]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

There's only one nation of Israel.. and it is currently blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.. and it remains an enemy as pertaining to the gospel and yet they're beloved for the sake of the fathers.



I agree, the thousand year reign of Christ right here on earth.. and He shall be King over all the earth in that Day.



According to Zech, 2/3 of them will be cut off and die, and the others will be taken through the fire.. the time of Jacob's trouble.. and that's what Rev 12 is all about imo.

ah no, modern isreal isnt all of isreal i do hope you can see that.

more jews are in the us then that small state

and well not really, the war with the romans was a seven year period. let see

per a tanakh i have dated 1955.

66-73 war with rome
70 titus begins siege of jerusalem; tammaz 17,daily offerings discontunued in Temple: ab 9, temple burned

that seven year period? so there will be a seven year war agains with the ac etc?

 

[Eventide]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

ah no, modern isreal isnt all of isreal i do hope you can see that.

We know that all Israel is not Israel.. if that's what you mean..

that seven year period? so there will be a seven year war agains with the ac etc?

According to Rev 19 and 2 Thess 2.. who does the LORD destroy with the brightness of His coming..?

Surely you're not going to tell me that He came again in AD70.. or are you ?