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The Omnipresence of the Devil
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Brother Mike
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First, omnipresent is not in the bible. 2nd the devil is a created angelic being who if were able to be all places at once would not need "HIS" angels doing "HIS" work, nor would he have sent a Messenger to harass Paul rallying up the people. He would have visited Paul himself. He would not also need his Kingdom which is opposite against the Kingdom of God.
And, there be more than one devil, but only one Satan.
Classik
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Devil = Satan? I hope so.
I never thought about this issue of omnipresence until someone mentioned it. I think therefore he is not everywhere at the same time. But why do humans always talk about him as if he is everywhere? i marvel at the allegations (false accusation) made against him sometimes
I never thought about this issue of omnipresence until someone mentioned it. I think therefore he is not everywhere at the same time. But why do humans always talk about him as if he is everywhere? i marvel at the allegations (false accusation) made against him sometimes
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Brother Mike
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If a Walmart employee sets up an operation with selected people posing as customers and rips Walmart off of thousands of dollars in fake returns. (Getting items off the shelf, then returning them) Does corporate blame the employee, or does top level management get blamed also for not catching it sooner.
Do we arrest all the minor Drug dealers and say it's all their fault, or do we go for the guy that is giving the orders and supplying all the drugs?
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so there are places I can go and god have to move to be at and leave you to do it?
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Brother Mike
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Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
As long as the Holy Spirit does not leave you, all good.
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No, but he has fellow demons and they are all over the place.
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Who are these demons anyway?
Jesus certainly knew them.
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Brother Mike
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Last I heard, they were on their way to your house. Who you gonna call?
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ok, I see then God himself isn't able to go anywhere at the same time. funny how can david say wherever I go there you are? you aren't a Trinitarian. the holy spirit would be akin to what the jews call and teach the shekinah cloud which is neither God but a comforting spirit created by god albeit female. uhm. so if we are having church at the same time on the earth how is jesus able to say there I am in the midst? is Jesus the Holy Spirit? he cant be, The Spirit testifies of Jesus.
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Brother Mike
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I just posted a scripture. It's through the Holy Spirit we have direct connection to God, the Lord Jesus, and we have angels on standby.
The Holy Spirit does not speak of his own, but only that which he hears, he gives back to us.
There is nothing in scripture saying God is all over the place, but the Holy Spirit is in all believers and that is like God being all over the place.
In the OT God searched the earth to and fro to find hearts perfect toward him. He had to put forth the effort to look. The Holy Spirit brings both the Father and Son right to us.
If it's through the Holy Spirit we have access by one Lord unto the Father, and the Holy Spirit tells us what he hears, then that is how it is, and how it works. Now How God is able to keep track of a million things we are doing at once, then we just say He's God, and He can.
Blessings.
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Only God can be omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. The Devil is not God, he cannot (as a created being) have power equal to the creator.
And the LORD said unto Satan, From where come you? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it. Job 1:7 NKJV
And the LORD said unto Satan, From where come you? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it. Job 2:2 NKJV
Jude 1:6-7 Living Bible (TLB)
6 And I remind you of those angels who were once pure and holy but turned to a life of sin.[a] Now God has them chained up in prisons of darkness, waiting for the judgment day. 7 And don’t forget the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, all full of lust of every kind, including lust of men for other men. Those cities were destroyed by fire and continue to be a warning to us that there is a hell in which sinners are punished.
This clearly shows that angels cannot be everywhere because some are locked up.
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The Devil, Satan is not omnipresent.
However, I believe the following scripture is a reference to death, the spirit of death...and not Satan.
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience... Ephesians 2:2
This scripture seems to indicate a "SINGULAR" spirit that operates in the sons of disobedience, as the Holy Spirit operates in the sons of obedience.
That would indicate that this spirit is in more than one person at the same time.
Death will give up its dead... and be cast into the lake of fire with the devil.
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Then it would be right, perhaps, to think that if we have a million people in the world there are about a million demons too or even more. Remember what happens to that house (human) whom the demons (the previously cast out) find empty again? They'd come back mightier, both in might and number.
Questions that may arise:
do demons beget demons? we pray to bind demons and cast them out. do they get replaced when bound?
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Brother Mike
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The house is not empty. What is Jesus saying?
When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils. He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
(Luk 11:21-28)
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
(Mat 12:41-50)
You can read thought this, demons don't begat demons. If you cast a devil out of someone, the man is not going to get 7 more wicked devils to live in him. If that where the case, Jesus would not have cast out any devils.
Jesus did not go around saying, "HI!
"My name is Jesus, I see you only have ONE devil, here, now let me take this one, and trade it to you for 7. How about that bargain? 1 for 7? Only I Jesus can do such wonderful deals. If anyone else is running low on devils, I can help you."Now for the explanation:
When the devil goes out of a man. (Notice Jesus did not mention casting it out, but in Luke's account He just got done mentioning casting out devils with the finger of God, so we can "ASSUME" this is what He is talking about, and devils just normally don't pack and leave.)
the devil goes, and seeks another place (HUMAN) but it is dry, and it seeks rest with nobody available. It takes a devil years of work on one person, and now they have to start from scratch and loose all that work. So, the devil thinks, that they will try to go back to the person they left. When they show up, the house is empty, no guards, no commotion, nothing. However, it looks clean inside as it's swept, and some garnishes have been put up. (Decorations)
So we have a empty house, no guards, nothing in there, but it's cleaned up and has decoration. It could be possible it's not a good idea to go back, it might be protected as it was a filithy mess inside when the devil left.
So, to be sure, the devil goes and gets 7 more wicked than himself, then storm in to find the house is empty, nothing in there to guard or protect.
The house looks clean on the inside, but the house has no armor. All fluff, no substance, much like the religious leaders Jesus was speaking to.
Jesus said the solution is to do the will of God, and Keep the Word that you hear.
Mike.
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I have no idea Classik, he's an omniliar I can tell you that.
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The word, 'omnipresence' may not be in the Bible (neither is the word, Trinity), but the teaching of God's omnipresence is surely contained in Scripture. Psalm 139:7-12 (NIV) states:
'7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea,
10 even there your hand will guide me,
your right hand will hold me fast.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me
and the light become night around me,”
12 even the darkness will not be dark to you;
the night will shine like the day,
for darkness is as light to you'.
Where can I flee from your presence?
8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.
9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea,
10 even there your hand will guide me,
your right hand will hold me fast.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me
and the light become night around me,”
12 even the darkness will not be dark to you;
the night will shine like the day,
for darkness is as light to you'.
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It might appear so, at least on earth:
1 John 5:19
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
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Brother Mike
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NO, the scripture is not telling us God is all places at once. David is Telling us God is always with him. Not only but Angels also are everywhere and report instantly to the Lord and David was anointed with the Holy Spirit, always having the presence and direct connection to the Lord.
Now if I say something is not in scripture, there is normally a good reason why I say these things.
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
(Eph 2:12)
If God is omnipresent all places at once, then these folks have God, they don't though.
Mike