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The Pagan Easter

dianegcook said:
Jer.7:18
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the woman knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Also Jer.44:17-25

Ezek.8:14
Then He brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house, which was toward the north, and , behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

Then He said unto me, Hast thou seen this? Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.

And He brought me to the inner court of the Lord's house, and behold, at the door of the temple of their Lord, between the porch, and the altar, about 25 men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east, and they worshipped the sun toward the east,

Sunrise service?
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See, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. This has nothing to do with any Christian sunrise Easter service, yet you post it as if this is what people who celebrate the Lord's resurrection are doing. Until you can show proof of a Christian church doing this, this is nothing more than a false accusation against joyful Christians who celebrate the Lord's resurrection.
 
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Lewis said:
Okay, well the only reason that I posted it was to show where Easter came from, nothing more. I did not want people to argue about it.
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Lewis I am glad you started the thread because I am just curious about how Easter is considered pagan and more importantly how people think that the pagan origin has anything to do with how Christians celebrate it today. If you could here my tone of voice I would not sound argumentative. It is sometimes hard to tell what kind of emotions people have when posting :)
 
I guess praying for the lost is not a good thing?
Jer 7:16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.
Jer 7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
 
I didn't mean to offend anyone, thought that this was general discussion.

Maybe I should leave if I can't state my beliefs on a certain subject, worrying about offending anyone.
Jesus didn't whitewash it, didn't care if it offended anyone or not.

Hear truth or tickle ears?
Truth hurts sometimes.
 
Obadiah said:
See, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. This has nothing to do with any Christian sunrise Easter service, yet you post it as if this is what people who celebrate the Lord's resurrection are doing. Until you can show proof of a Christian church doing this, this is nothing more than a false accusation against joyful Christians who celebrate the Lord's resurrection.
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Yeah I agree, I don't know of any church doing that.
 
sojourner4Christ said:
There are biblical admonitions against pagan rituals associated with the Babylonian holy days (holidays in modern English).

Or, has anyone read Hislop's "Two Babylons"?

King Herod was waiting for the celebration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz the sun god. The sunrise services today are a continuation of that pagan worship. There they commemorate the resurrection of Tammuz.

"...The great annual festival in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Tammuz, which was celebrated by alternate weeping and rejoicing and which, in many countries, was considerably later than the Christian festival, being observed in Palestine and Assyria in June" (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, page 105).

This is the same festival that Rome amalgamated with the observance of Christ's resurrection.

"To conciliate the Pagans to nominal Christianity, Rome, pursuing its usual policy, took measures to get the Christian and Pagan festivals amalgamated, and, by complicated but skillful adjustment of the calendar, it was found no difficult matter, in general, to get Paganism and Christianity - to shake hands" (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, page 105)

The term Easter is of Pagan origin:

"It bears its Chaldean origin on its very forehead. Easter is nothing else than Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven...." (The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop, page 103).

The connection between the word Easter and Tammuz is this. The wife of Tammuz was Ishtar (Astarte), who is called Mother nature, who being refreshed by spring rains brings life. When Tammuz died she followed him into the underworld or realm of Eresh-Kigal, queen of the dead.

In her deep grief Astarte persuaded Eresh-Kigal to allow her messenger to sprinkle Astarte and Tammuz with the water of life. By this sprinkling they had power to return into the light of the sun for six months. After which the same cycle must be repeated.

Thus the goddess of spring or the dawn goddess is responsible for the resurrection of Tammuz. Easter is a joint worship of the two.

This Satanic myth is interwoven with the sun's cycle of vernal equinox (dawn) and the autumn equinox (sunset).

This is what professing Christianity looks forward to each year, which has nothing to do with the worship of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I desire to walk in truth. And info has been posted in this thread that exposes the pagan origin of Easter. If I didn't already know that info, I would certainly ask for it because I want to walk in holiness and purity before my Father. The $64,000 question is, how many love the truth and are willing to do whatever it takes to be IN that truth? Who would rather choose to look the other way and observe that pagan ritual this weekend?

Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain... - Jer. 10:1-3
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If one is worshiping idols, then they shouldn't do that.
If they think they are worshiping idols, they shouldn't do that.
If one is/ or thinks they would be, worshiping idols when they eat diary products and meat together, they shouldn't do that.

Why is there a hard boiled or roasted egg on the sedar plate?
Why did very early Christians, in the area of Iran and Iraq, and some in the east today, color eggs red for passover/resurrection day?
What did they symbolize?
One of the problems some Jews and pagans have with the idea of communion is that they believe what Jesus was saying was cannibalism or human sacrifice like the worship of Baal. Was that His intent of the Last Supper?
 
dianegcook said:
I didn't mean to offend anyone, thought that this was general discussion.

Maybe I should leave if I can't state my beliefs on a certain subject, worrying about offending anyone.
Jesus didn't whitewash it, didn't care if it offended anyone or not.

Hear truth or tickle eats?
Truth hurts sometimes.
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Nah, this is always a touchy subject. It comes up every year. And there's always one about Christmas, too.

Myself, I don't care anymore. I'm secure in my views and have said my piece in past years. I don't really want to repeat myself.
 
dianegcook said:
I didn't mean to offend anyone, thought that this was general discussion.

Maybe I should leave if I can't state my beliefs on a certain subject, worrying about offending anyone.
Jesus didn't whitewash it, didn't care if it offended anyone or not.

Hear truth or tickle eats?
Truth hurts sometimes.
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It's not truth when you accuse Christians of worshiping false gods with no proof or evidence whatsoever. It is a false accusation and, yes, that is offensive as well as not appropriate here. Jesus spoke the truth, He did not make false accusations.
 
How do we explain the pagan custom of eggs and fertility to our children, and how it relates to the resurrection, when was it introduced to the church and by whom?

tob
 
questdriven said:
Nah, this is always a touchy subject. It comes up every year. And there's always one about Christmas, too.

Myself, I don't care anymore. I'm secure in my views and have said my piece in past years. I don't really want to repeat myself.
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Yep every year I have been here since 2005 and the Christmas and Easter thing is right on target every year it has not missed one.
 
Obadiah said:
It's not truth when you accuse Christians of worshiping false gods with no proof or evidence whatsoever. It is a false accusation and, yes, that is offensive as well as not appropriate here.
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I did not accuse anyone, I certainly don't know how any of you celebrate it.
Just posted my beliefs.
And yes, around here, that is all I see posted on most of the church signs, easter egg hunt.
 
dianegcook said:
I didn't mean to offend anyone, thought that this was general discussion.

Maybe I should leave if I can't state my beliefs on a certain subject, worrying about offending anyone.
Jesus didn't whitewash it, didn't care if it offended anyone or not.

Hear truth or tickle ears?
Truth hurts sometimes.
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I can only speak for myself...I don't think you were offensive by stating your beliefs because I know that you are a Christian and you most likely have the best intentions in mind. That is the way I try to approach these types of discussions.
 
jaci which is the baby girl in my avatar knows what easter is about. the cross. she also knows about the eggs and chocolate. she hasn't painted them. I did and we hid the boiled eggs with the ones with the gifts.
 
I didn't mean to offend anyone, thought that this was general discussion.

Maybe I should leave if I can't state my beliefs on a certain subject, worrying about offending anyone.
Jesus didn't whitewash it, didn't care if it offended anyone or not.

Hear truth or tickle ears?
Truth hurts sometimes.
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Amen.

The truth has been posted re: the pagan Easter.

Nothing left here but excuses and ad hominems. I'm out.

"Abstain from all appearance of evil." - 1 Thes. 5:22
 
reba said:
this is also an admonition...
Php 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
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Yes, Reba
I did exactly that, whatsoever things are true, and things that are honest and just.
 
how does one know about easter if they weren't told what it was with the eggs? the only reason I know it because I was a jw. shoot they see thanksgiving as a sin.

it would be one thing if we had Christians in churches doing the cultic things tammuz. but since we are talking about that tammuz is related to these gods. Adonis(adonai is a related word), Aphrodite,Athena(super woman anyone?) Artemis, there a ton more , yet where is the child offering? the sex?
 
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