The Pentacostal Movement

[jasoncran]

Yeah, Jason. Every one of those young women are beautiful, with the love of Jesus Christ, inside and out, and any lustful thought is an act against any one of them or all, and is an indictment against the thinker.

This is one of the ways they serve Him, and minister to the Body of Christ. Shame on any man who would decry it as anything but what it is: worship and adoration of our King.

i could elaborate on their gifted ministry openly but i wont. i dont feel like being mocked for seeing that in them.

 

[Alabaster]

i could elaborate on their gifted ministry openly but i wont. i dont feel like being mocked for seeing that in them.

Hey! I stuck MY neck out!!! LOL!

 

[jasoncran]

Hey! I stuck MY neck out!!! LOL!

i understand that. but the opposing group would call me names for that and why should waste time defending that which you already know as yoy there.

pm me if you wish to know

and joe,i have been to charismatic catholic service,lol
its the same as i am used to.

 

[Sparkey]

Re: The Pentecostal Movement

If we are consigned to a world where the Holy Spirit stands at a distance and we have only the natural talents that we are born with, a world were God watches in a semi-disinterested fashion, pardon but that is just NOT the case. That position subtly shifts the responsibility of our salvation from the Grace of God to the acts of man. Our faith and trust of God is in and of itself a gift, there is nothing that we will be able to brag about. We can not so much as say, "God is good," except by the divine influence of the Holy Spirit.

"Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, "So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They shall never enter my rest.' "

==> And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work."

--> And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."

It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience.

==> Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath‑rest for the people of God;" - Hebrews 4:3-9 NIV

There remains then a Sabbath-rest for the people of God. Not by strength, not by might but by My Spirit saith the Lord of Hosts. That settles it for me. I was born in a good situation, the country was blessed by God, my family was comfortable with two working parents, my body has been healthy through out my life. This natural talents are gifts and I do appreciate them, but no working of my flesh earns me any reward unless it is joined by the Holy Spirit to the purpose and plan of God. We are admonished to cease from our own works. This means that the work that will continue must continue through the acts of God, guided by the Holy Spirit whose job is to jointly fit the members of the body of Christ together. It is by His revelation that we know that there is no need that any man teach us, because the Holy Spirit, the Comforter is our teacher. We too can enter the ministry, the service of our Master by presenting ourselves to him and worshiping God in spirit and in truth.

Jesus is THE Christ, the ANOINTED One, the promised Messiah, and it is through the Holy Spirit that was poured out without measure upon that flesh that we have been allowed to see who God is, how much He loves even us, the adopted children. It was by the pouring out of the gift of the Holy Spirit --> by the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that the God-fearing Jews and Apostles were persuaded to allow water baptism to the Goyim. Jesus had punctuated and emphasized the beginings of the Christian Church by accepting those members of "his other flock" into the family of God. The baptism and outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon those considered "dogs" shows the saving work and redemption of Christ on the cross magnified the grace of God, not only to the Jews but to Gentiles alike. Our Lord poured out His Spirit and the fruits of that act are still being seen this day upon those who do not harden their hearts and earnestly desire to enter the rest provided.

"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." - Acts 10:45-48 KJV

Later, the word that Peter had entered the house of a Gentile reached other men of God in Jerusalem. They asked Peter to give an accounting for what he had done (ate and broke bread with Goy): "Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them."

Peter replied ... And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house: ... And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." - Acts 11:3, 12, 15-18 KJV

 

[Sam21]

Bzzzt. Try again, Sherlock.



Length of days is obviously not a criteria for righteous thinking. Those ladies are each Spirit-filled and led women, many with husbands and children. One is one of our pastors, who has established a dance school in the church that teaches dance in a righteous way--for worship unto God. She isn't an old stinker, but a wonderful woman of God, who lives a life of excellence.

These women get together and pray and worship together when they practice. These women cannot serve in the dance ministry in the church unless they exhibit godliness and spiritual fruit in their lives.

So, you are DEAD wrong in your carnal judgment.



No I am a grandmother. Are you an old stinker?



This is simply trash coming from a mind fixed on the low. There was no flesh involved!



Our godly men rejoice in the worship of God along with us. Giving God worship is an exciting and joyful thing. He is in it and He blesses us in it. Their minds are far from the flesh.

You need to be delivered of something, that is apparent. I will pray for you.

You need to be delivered,you produce flesh as if it is worship of God and then act as if I have a problem because I object...sick.

 

[Alabaster]

You need to be delivered,you produce flesh as if it is worship of God and then act as if I have a problem because I object...sick.

It is a very real problem when a man will view a group of people performing ministry as something sordid, just as Michal did with David. God was angry and acted on it immediately.

Sordid is as sordid does.

Be blessed!

 

[Sam21]

It is a very real problem when a man will view a group of people performing ministry as something sordid, just as Michal did with David. God was angry and acted on it immediately.

Sordid is as sordid does.

Be blessed!

You are so far gone in spiritual understanding that you believe that soft porn is a worship service . I watched the tape carefully, some of the dance moves are exactly what you will see in a sexual dance in the world, also the ladies were dressed in nighties, something that could work to turn the husband on at bed time. You may think you are one hip granny but that stuff is an abomination in the house of the Lord.

 

[Sam21]

Gal 5:16 walk in the SPIRIT and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh,for the flesh lust against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh and THESE ARE CONTRARY THE ONE TO THE OTHER. You CANNOT minister to the spirit of a person while you are doing something to produce lust in their flesh. Think, the spirit of a person and the flesh nature of a person are opposed to one another, you cannot reach the spirit of a person if you are entertaining their flesh.

 

[reba]

Dancing before the Lord requires a stage etc?

I have mixed thoughts on some of this stuff. Is the church trying to look like the world? Trying to be more appealing? I hope not. Isn't that why we have the Catholic Christmas to cover for a pagan holiday? ( I like Christmas)

Growing up i was taught right and wrong. Well that ain't always so... there are areas of culture or gray areas.

Guess this may be why we have so many denominations

 

[Alabaster]

You are so far gone in spiritual understanding that you believe that soft porn is a worship service . I watched the tape carefully, some of the dance moves are exactly what you will see in a sexual dance in the world, also the ladies were dressed in nighties, something that could work to turn the husband on at bed time. You may think you are one hip granny but that stuff is an abomination in the house of the Lord.

I will excuse your darkness.

Your mind is clouded. The women rented expensive professional costumes and paid attention to modesty at every turn--and always do. Your small-mindedness just cannot see past itself. When I tell you these are Spirit-led women of God, you just cast it aside like a dirty rag. Well, sir, I know these women personally, and what I say is the truth and God will judge you for your evil thoughts concerning them. Think about Michal and hope you escape.



Listen to yourself! I bet you did watch it very closely!!
* soft porn
* sexual
* nighties
* turn the husband on
* bedtime
* abomination

I pray God will have mercy on you for calling good evil, and judging His servants who have an anointing on them to dance for Him.

 

[Alabaster]

Gal 5:16 walk in the SPIRIT and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh,for the flesh lust against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh and THESE ARE CONTRARY THE ONE TO THE OTHER. You CANNOT minister to the spirit of a person while you are doing something to produce lust in their flesh. Think, the spirit of a person and the flesh nature of a person are opposed to one another, you cannot reach the spirit of a person if you are entertaining their flesh.

There was NOTHING of the flesh in dancing before the Lord, Michal. That is in your heart, not ours.

 

[Alabaster]

Dancing before the Lord requires a stage etc?

Churches have platforms.

I have mixed thoughts on some of this stuff. Is the church trying to look like the world? Trying to be more appealing? I hope not. Isn't that why we have the Catholic Christmas to cover for a pagan holiday? ( I like Christmas)

Churches need to lead the world. We take back what Satan has taken from God--His rightful worship and we use it for the glory of God! He is pleased and glorified.

 

[Watchman_2]

Re: The Pentecostal Movement

If we are consigned to a world where the Holy Spirit stands at a distance and we have only the natural talents that we are born with, a world were God watches in a semi-disinterested fashion, pardon but that is just NOT the case.

Who said anything about the Holy Spirit standing at a distance?? If you understand the import of 1 Cor. 12, it is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in Christians which makes all the difference. Last post, I directed your attention to v. 2-3. Paul informs us what we would be without the Holy Spirit -- worshipping dumb idols.

Paul goes into more detail of the workings of the Holy Spirit thereafter in chapter 12. The Holy Spirit is front and center in taking the skills each Christian has and making them work for the benefit of the many-membered body of Christ.

You could not be more in error!!

That position subtly shifts the responsibility of our salvation from the Grace of God to the acts of man. Our faith and trust of God is in and of itself a gift, there is nothing that we will be able to brag about. We can not so much as say, "God is good," except by the divine influence of the Holy Spirit.

That's total nonsense! There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with salvation in Chapter 12. The subject is "spiritual brethren". The 'brethren' are already saved in Christ. Paul is simply letting them know that it is not the brethren doing special things -- but, is the Holy Spirit working in them.

One can easily see how Pentecostalism has, in practice, bastardized Paul's teaching. As part of their Statement of Faith, they claim that the evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the gift of speaking in gibberish [misnamed as 'tongues'].

In essence, it is a show-off approach. By giving public display of speaking in gibberish, they let all the others know that they are such a good Christian. This is exactly what Paul was warning the Corinthians about in Chapter 12. Pentecostals, instead of giving credit to the Holy Spirit, show themselves to be so great a Christian.

There remains then a Sabbath-rest for the people of God. Not by strength, not by might but by My Spirit saith the Lord of Hosts. That settles it for me. I was born in a good situation, the country was blessed by God, my family was comfortable with two working parents, my body has been healthy through out my life. This natural talents are gifts and I do appreciate them, but no working of my flesh earns me any reward unless it is joined by the Holy Spirit to the purpose and plan of God. We are admonished to cease from our own works. This means that the work that will continue must continue through the acts of God, guided by the Holy Spirit whose job is to jointly fit the members of the body of Christ together. It is by His revelation that we know that there is no need that any man teach us, because the Holy Spirit, the Comforter is our teacher. We too can enter the ministry, the service of our Master by presenting ourselves to him and worshiping God in spirit and in truth.

Jesus is THE Christ, the ANOINTED One, the promised Messiah, and it is through the Holy Spirit that was poured out without measure upon that flesh that we have been allowed to see who God is, how much He loves even us, the adopted children. It was by the pouring out of the gift of the Holy Spirit --> by the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that the God-fearing Jews and Apostles were persuaded to allow water baptism to the Goyim. Jesus had punctuated and emphasized the beginings of the Christian Church by accepting those members of "his other flock" into the family of God. The baptism and outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon those considered "dogs" shows the saving work and redemption of Christ on the cross magnified the grace of God, not only to the Jews but to Gentiles alike. Our Lord poured out His Spirit and the fruits of that act are still being seen this day upon those who do not harden their hearts and earnestly desire to enter the rest provided.

"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." - Acts 10:45-48 KJV

Later, the word that Peter had entered the house of a Gentile reached other men of God in Jerusalem. They asked Peter to give an accounting for what he had done (ate and broke bread with Goy): "Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them."

Peter replied ... And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house: ... And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." - Acts 11:3, 12, 15-18 KJV

None of that gives any proof that "spiritual gifts" exist.

 

[Alabaster]

Re: The Pentecostal Movement

Who said anything about the Holy Spirit standing at a distance?? If you understand the import of 1 Cor. 12, it is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in Christians which makes all the difference. Last post, I directed your attention to v. 2-3. Paul informs us what we would be without the Holy Spirit -- worshipping dumb idols.

Paul goes into more detail of the workings of the Holy Spirit thereafter in chapter 12. The Holy Spirit is front and center in taking the skills each Christian has and making them work for the benefit of the many-membered body of Christ.

You could not be more in error!!



That's total nonsense! There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with salvation in Chapter 12. The subject is "spiritual brethren". The 'brethren' are already saved in Christ. Paul is simply letting them know that it is not the brethren doing special things -- but, is the Holy Spirit working in them.

One can easily see how Pentecostalism has, in practice, bastardized Paul's teaching. As part of their Statement of Faith, they claim that the evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the gift of speaking in gibberish [misnamed as 'tongues'].

In essence, it is a show-off approach. By giving public display of speaking in gibberish, they let all the others know that they are such a good Christian. This is exactly what Paul was warning the Corinthians about in Chapter 12. Pentecostals, instead of giving credit to the Holy Spirit, show themselves to be so great a Christian.



None of that gives any proof that "spiritual gifts" exist.

Nah, all I see here is fear and envy.

 

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