The Perverted Gospel!

[lisam]

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[JLB]

So

you reject perpetual justification or eternal security, saved now and can’t be lost! Thks

I reject the opinions of man.

I follow Christ, which means I follow His teachings, not the teachings of man.

I gave you scripture.

Please post the scripture that has the phrase "perpetual justification".

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ -

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

His commandments are about love; loving God and loving our neighbor.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
Christians who hate their brother, no longer have eternal life abiding in them.

This truth is spoken of throughout the scriptures.

Here is a couple for you to examine. Both refer to eternal life or not.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

again

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4




JLB

 

[Hopeful 2]

Do you believe we must abide in Christ, Jn 15:4 and endure to the end, Matt 24:13 and be found faithful? Rev 17:14

Thanks

Yes, I do.
But unlike most here, I also believe it is possible to actually abide, and endure faithfully until the end .
Most can't grasp the idea of remaining 100% faithful.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Then I take it you don’t believe in salvation by faith alone! Ok thanks

Of course not.

 

[Hopeful 2]

So it’s the apostles who show us the way to salvation?

It could just as easily be said that the girl showed "them" the way to salvation.
Anyone can evangelize, even ignorantly.

 

[donadams]

The

I reject the opinions of man.

I follow Christ, which means I follow His teachings, not the teachings of man.

I gave you scripture.

Please post the scripture that has the phrase "perpetual justification".

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ -

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

His commandments are about love; loving God and loving our neighbor.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
Christians who hate their brother, no longer have eternal life abiding in them.

This truth is spoken of throughout the scriptures.

Here is a couple for you to examine. Both refer to eternal life or not.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

again

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4




Then I suppose you cannot be saved?
Acts 16:17
The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which show unto us the way of salvation.

 

[donadams]

Yes, I do.
But unlike most here, I also believe it is possible to actually abide, and endure faithfully until the end .
Most can't grasp the idea of remaining 100% faithful.

Please explain

judus

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

And

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

And

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

And

Rev 2:13 …Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you…

How is that possible? It says Antipas was faithful!
So some could be unfaithful too!

Btw
(Antipas was ordained priest and consecrated bishop of Petgamo by the apostle John)

 

[donadams]

Of course not.

Then you believe you possess salvation but can lose it to infidelity?

 

[donadams]

O

It could just as easily be said that the girl showed "them" the way to salvation.
Anyone can evangelize, even ignorantly.

nly the apostles are authorized and commanded to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19 your idea only increases errors! Jn 16:13 to the apostles
Apostles are the light (truth) of the world!
The apostolic church the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15

 

[Hopeful 2]

Please explain

Have you not noticed all the threads intending to refute the idea of obedience to God ?
All of them are trying to incorporate sin into, and by, the body of Christ.
Folks aren't believing we must abide in Christ, Jn 15:4 and enduring to the end, Matt 24:13 and being found faithful, when they are still offending God and neighbor.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Then you believe you possess salvation but can lose it to infidelity?

Salvation won't be granted until one's name is found in the book of life on the day of judgement.
"Losing it", is a moot point.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Only the apostles are authorized and commanded to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation!

That is the false church's POV, but not God's.
We are to manifest the life and death of the Savior where ever we walk.
Our lives are our ministry to the world.
If only the apostles of Jesus' time could preach the good news, the church would have died out a long time ago.
Was Timothy an apostle ?
How about Apollos ?
How about Aquila ?

 

[donadams]

Salvation won't be granted until one's name is found in the book of life on the day of judgement.
"Losing it", is a moot point.

So what do we have now?

 

[donadams]

That is the false church's POV, but not God's.
We are to manifest the life and death of the Savior where ever we walk.
Our lives are our ministry to the world.
If only the apostles of Jesus' time could preach the good news, the church would have died out a long time ago.
Was Timothy an apostle ?
How about Apollos ?
How about Aquila ?

I said authorized not only

 

[Hopeful 2]

So what do we have now?

We have our conversion and the promises.
We have the seal of our inheritance, the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Hopeful 2]

I said authorized not only

Then why mention it at all ?

 

[donadams]

We have our conversion and the promises.
We have the seal of our inheritance, the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Sacramental grace ok

 

[JLB]

The

I gave you scripture.

Please post the scripture that has the phrase "perpetual justification".

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ -

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

His commandments are about love; loving God and loving our neighbor.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
Christians who hate their brother, no longer have eternal life abiding in them.

This truth is spoken of throughout the scriptures.

Here is a couple for you to examine. Both refer to eternal life or not.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

again

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4




JLB

 

[Hopeful 2]

Sacramental grace ok

If that is what you call the gift of the Holy Ghost for a true repentance from sin (Acts 2:38)...OK.

 

[donadams]

I gave you scripture.

Please post the scripture that has the phrase "perpetual justification".

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

Here is how we are instructed to remain in Christ -

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

His commandments are about love; loving God and loving our neighbor.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
Christians who hate their brother, no longer have eternal life abiding in them.

This truth is spoken of throughout the scriptures.

Here is a couple for you to examine. Both refer to eternal life or not.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

again

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4




JLB

1st I am also opposing perpetual justification or eternal security

2nd I never said it was scripture

3rd like you I believe we are required to have obedience and faithfulness but on our own we cannot do so!