The Perverted Gospel!

Thief on the cross. Sealed with the spirit. Never baptized.

Scripture Quiz!

which is scripture and which is fundamentalist tradition?

Saved and have life by faith alone, then follow the narrow road.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I am a disciple by faith alone!

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.


Born of water, born again of the spirit.

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Saved by faith alone, then get baptized as a profession of the faith that already saved me.

Mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.
 
Born of water, born again of the spirit.

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Thank you for making your point from scripture.
 
Thank you for making your point from scripture.
thats you error!

born again by BOTH WATER AND THE SPIRIT
 
Scripture Quiz!

which is scripture and which is fundamentalist tradition?

Saved and have life by faith alone, then follow the narrow road.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I am a disciple by faith alone!

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.


Born of water, born again of the spirit.

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Saved by faith alone, then get baptized as a profession of the faith that already saved me.

Mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.
Born of water is not baptism... the end.

What does not matter one bit ever no matter what? Church tradition!! The only thing that matters is God's word properly translated and interpreted

Again, why do you only post half of mark 16,16??

Here is the whole verse.. if it's even scripture. Remember it is not in any of the oldest texts..
Mark 16,16 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
 
Born of water is not baptism... the end.

What does not matter one bit ever no matter what? Church tradition!! The only thing that matters is God's word properly translated and interpreted

Again, why do you only post half of mark 16,16??

Here is the whole verse.. if it's even scripture. Remember it is not in any of the oldest texts..
Mark 16,16 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Jn 3:5 whats the water for?
 
Jn 3:5 whats the water for?
Water and the spirit
Gen 1:1-2
Gen 8:8
Exd 13:21
Josuha 1:1-2
Isa 44:3
Ez 36:25-27
mt 28:19
Jn 1:31-32
Jn 3:5
Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1
acts 2:38-39
acts 22:16
Titus 3:5
 
Born of water is not baptism... the end.

What does not matter one bit ever no matter what? Church tradition!! The only thing that matters is God's word properly translated and interpreted

Again, why do you only post half of mark 16,16??

Here is the whole verse.. if it's even scripture. Remember it is not in any of the oldest texts..
Mark 16,16 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
parts of many books are not in the old texts still scripture

mk 16:16 is not the only one

Water and the spirit
Gen 1:1-2
Gen 8:8
Exd 13:21
Josuha 1:1-2
Isa 44:3
Ez 36:25-27
mt 28:19
Jn 1:31-32
Jn 3:5
Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1
acts 2:38-39
acts 22:16
Titus 3:5
1 pet 3:20-21 the ark of noah salvation from the flood isxa type of the church the ark of eternal salvation which we enter by baptism
 
Born of water is not baptism... the end.

What does not matter one bit ever no matter what? Church tradition!! The only thing that matters is God's word properly translated and interpreted

Again, why do you only post half of mark 16,16??

Here is the whole verse.. if it's even scripture. Remember it is not in any of the oldest texts..
Mark 16,16 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
cannot enter on your own by faith alone Jn 3:5
must be administered unto you 2 pet 1:11
 
still wondering why you think you're saved?
Because of the promises of God that are attributed to those who put their faith in Jesus Christ.

Has absolutely nothing to do with me. I am a miserable sinner who deserves only damnation in Hell. God should not save me. My repentance of sin and subsequent good works are incapable of making a dent in what I owe for the debt of my sin.

But.. Jesus's work on the cross was so thurough that God considers it a just act to forgive sinners who confess to Him.
The evidence that I am saved is the increasing of the fruits of the spirit in my life. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and self control.

Again. All of this is God's work in me and nothing else.

If it was up to my natural nature I'd be on some adult dating site looking for other people to spent time with.
 
Because of the promises of God that are attributed to those who put their faith in Jesus Christ.

Has absolutely nothing to do with me. I am a miserable sinner who deserves only damnation in Hell. God should not save me. My repentance of sin and subsequent good works are incapable of making a dent in what I owe for the debt of my sin.

But.. Jesus's work on the cross was so thurough that God considers it a just act to forgive sinners who confess to Him.
The evidence that I am saved is the increasing of the fruits of the spirit in my life. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and self control.

Again. All of this is God's work in me and nothing else.

If it was up to my natural nature I'd be on some adult dating site looking for other people to spent time with.
not saved till the hour of death mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 and many more
 
thats you error!

born again by BOTH WATER AND THE SPIRIT

Jesus doesn’t make error’s.


Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5-6

The text does not say born again of water.

Jesus says born of water. Not born again of water.

We are born again of the Spirit, not born again of physical water.


Jesus teaches what is meant by born of water.
  • That which is born of the flesh is flesh = natural birth

Jesus teaches what is meant by born of the Spirit.
  • that which is born of the Spirit is spirit = spiritual birth
 
cannot enter on your own by faith alone Jn 3:5
must be administered unto you 2 pet 1:11
Jesus supplied the way.. God does the administration. There is ONLY one mediator between God and man... Jesus.
not saved till the hour of death mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 and many more
He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it..
Salvation is God's work not mine.. God has started a work in me. I trust the promise that He makes to complete it..

Nice twist on the Word though.
 
Salvation is God's work not mine..

I find this mindset a lot in God’s people.


Here is what the scriptures teach us.

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.
Philippians 2:12-16


  • work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
  • holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.

This walk of salvation is our responsibility to steward wisely. If we become careless with it, we are acting foolishly. Like the foolish virgins.

There are very many passages that teach us to live godly lives and forsake the things of this world, and to cleanse ourselves from filthy behavior and sinful habits.

To also take up a lifestyle that led by the Spirit, rather than a lifestyle that is carnal and seeks to gratify the cravings of our sinful flesh.

IOW’s we are to actively participate with the Holy Spirit to cultivate the divine nature through godly habits or ways of righteousness so that we are practicing righteousness.

Here are a few:

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 2 Peter 1:5-9


For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:13


Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8


Each of us must choose to invest our time towards the things the Holy Spirit is leading us to live out. Developing godly habits while forgoing old habits that are fleshly and carnal.


At the end of the Day we will all stand before our Lord to give an account of what we did with the new life He has given us.


But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ Matthew 25:26-30
 
Jesus doesn’t make error’s.


Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5-6

The text does not say born again of water.

Jesus says born of water. Not born again of water.

We are born again of the Spirit, not born again of physical water.


Jesus teaches what is meant by born of water.
  • That which is born of the flesh is flesh = natural birth

Jesus teaches what is meant by born of the Spirit.
  • that which is born of the Spirit is spirit = spiritual birth
the subject is the new birth or being born again Jn 3:3 Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jn 3:5 accomplished by water and the spirit!

Jn 3;22 immediately they went to the river (water) and they BAPTIZED!!!

Water and the spirit
Gen 1:1-2
Gen 8:8
Exd 13:21
Josuha 1:1-2
Isa 44:3
Ez 36:25-27
mt 28:19
Jn 1:31-32
Jn 3:5
Jn 3:22
Jn 4:1
acts 2:38-39
acts 22:16
Titus 3:5
1 pet 3:20-21 the ark of noah salvation from the flood isxa type of the church the ark of eternal salvation which we enter by baptism
 
I find this mindset a lot in God’s people.


Here is what the scriptures teach us.

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.
Philippians 2:12-16


  • work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
  • holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.

This walk of salvation is our responsibility to steward wisely. If we become careless with it, we are acting foolishly. Like the foolish virgins.

There are very many passages that teach us to live godly lives and forsake the things of this world, and to cleanse ourselves from filthy behavior and sinful habits.

To also take up a lifestyle that led by the Spirit, rather than a lifestyle that is carnal and seeks to gratify the cravings of our sinful flesh.

IOW’s we are to actively participate with the Holy Spirit to cultivate the divine nature through godly habits or ways of righteousness so that we are practicing righteousness.

Here are a few:

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 2 Peter 1:5-9


For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Romans 8:13


Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8


Each of us must choose to invest our time towards the things the Holy Spirit is leading us to live out. Developing godly habits while forgoing old habits that are fleshly and carnal.


At the end of the Day we will all stand before our Lord to give an account of what we did with the new life He has given us.


But his lord answered and said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed. So you ought to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest. So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has ten talents. For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ Matthew 25:26-30
also the narrow road that leads to life! 7:14

abide in Christ bearing fruit Jn 15:4

endure to the end mk 13:13 mt 10:22 & 24:13

those who over come receive the crown of life rev 2;10
 
Jesus supplied the way.. God does the administration. There is ONLY one mediator between God and man... Jesus.

He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it..
Salvation is God's work not mine.. God has started a work in me. I trust the promise that He makes to complete it..

Nice twist on the Word though.
nope the apostolic church does!

2 cor 8:19 ...this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord,
 
Jesus supplied the way.. God does the administration. There is ONLY one mediator between God and man... Jesus.

He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it..
Salvation is God's work not mine.. God has started a work in me. I trust the promise that He makes to complete it..

Nice twist on the Word though.
Jesus is mediator in regards to the atonement / redemption but his apostolic church administers His grace / merits.

2 thes 2:5-6

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
 
Jesus is mediator in regards to the atonement / redemption but his apostolic church administers His grace / merits.

2 thes 2:5-6

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
sorry 1 tim 2:5-6
 
the subject is the new birth or being born again Jn 3:3 Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Yes the new birth.

Natural birth and spiritual birth.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:6

Jesus is using earthly things (Natural birth) to teach Nicodemus heavenly (spiritual birth) things.

If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? John 3:12

Born of flesh = earthly things

Born of the Spirit = heavenly things
 
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