The power of The Cross

[Mitspa]

1Co 2:1


And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1Co 2:2

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

The Cross of the Lord Jesus Christ, has true spiritual power, it is a place of death for the "natural" mind. It is the place of victory for the "spiritual" mind.
For those who have reckoned at its purpose, it has become the power over satan and his kingdom.

Col 2:14

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:15

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Maybe others can attest to its work in their lives?

 

[Mitspa]

1Co 1:18


For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1Co 1:19

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

The cross has two sides, the breaking down side and the raising up side, and it is in the power of the Cross of the Lord Jesus that the Word of God finds its effectiveness.

 

[farouk]

Good verses there about the Cross being the power of God unto salvation.

 

[Mitspa]

Good verses there about the Cross being the power of God unto salvation.

Thank you, farouk
It could be, the great problems we have in the Church is in the fact we have so many that know so little about the purpose of the Cross? An uncrucified preacher is an ineffective and unfruitful preacher. The ministery of a crucified man will be effective,fruitful,powerful.
Could this not also be the reason, that many attempt to have a "ministry of statements" and not a ministry of good works?


1Co 3:1






And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2



I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

1Co 3:3





For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?



I think that many still hear that old lie? "ye shall not surely die". The Cross of Christ will bring to an end the voice of the enemy that attempts to justify the "flesh" and its desires.

 

[for_his_glory]

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

The cross is the very power of God that takes our carnal thoughts, desires, transgressions, self will and whatever else we hold higher than God in our thinking and transforms all of these things giving us the mind of Christ that we are made renewed by His Spirit that we now walk in His Spirit as through Gods Salvation we have shed this old flesh and put on that of Gods righteousness that brings Him glory and honor in all we do and say.

 

[Mitspa]

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

The cross is the very power of God that takes our carnal thoughts, desires, transgressions, self will and whatever else we hold higher than God in our thinking and transforms all of these things giving us the mind of Christ that we are made renewed by His Spirit that we now walk in His Spirit as through Gods Salvation we have shed this old flesh and put on that of Gods righteousness that brings Him glory and honor in all we do and say.

I agree! do you understand what the "renewed mind" is? and what it means to "walk in the Spirit"? I do not doubt you do, but many use these terms and i have met but few that had a good understanding of what they really mean.

 

[childeye]

It's all right there on the cross, the True Image of God sent to mankind. Why the division? So hidden is what is so simple. That God is of the Character that would sacrifice Himself to save others, even sinners. Yep, right there on the cross is defeated the ever so subtle lie first sown by the devil in the Garden of Eden, that god was of the character that would sacrifice others to save himself. And upon that lie are built the strongholds of the kingdom of darkness.

 

[Mitspa]

It's all right there on the cross, the True Image of God sent to mankind. Why the division? So hidden is what is so simple. That God is of the Character that would sacrifice Himself to save others, even sinners. Yep, right there on the cross is defeated the ever so subtle lie first sown by the devil in the Garden of Eden, that god was of the character that would sacrifice others to save himself. And upon that lie are built the strongholds of the kingdom of darkness.

Just to kind of search out your point. How does that understanding bring the "power" of God? As Paul stated in several of his epistles.

 

[childeye]

Just to kind of search out your point. How does that understanding bring the "power" of God? As Paul stated in several of his epistles.

Because the power of God to save is the Light of the knowledge of Who He is unto His Glory.


Romans 1:21

King James Version (KJV)

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


2 Corinthians 4:5-6

6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”[a] made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.
John 12:46

King James Version (KJV)

46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Romans 1:16

New King James Version (NKJV)

The Just Live by Faith

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
Acts 26:18

King James Version (KJV)

18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

 

[Mitspa]

Because the power of God to save is the Light of the knowledge of Who He is unto His Glory.


Romans 1:21

King James Version (KJV)

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Again i can not find any thing to disagree with you about? The thought i had in starting the this post was a conversation of how the Cross had the "power" to crux the mind of the flesh, therefore allowing the mind of the Spirit to have its ability to make "real faith" possible for the believer. Unless the Cross has done its work in the mind, the believer will be double minded! Unable to receive from God they are left powerless!

Jas 1:6

But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7

For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

Jas 1:8

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

 

[childeye]

Again i can not find any thing to disagree with you about? The thought i had in starting the this post was a conversation of how the Cross had the "power" to crux the mind of the flesh, therefore allowing the mind of the Spirit to have its ability to make "real faith" possible for the believer. Unless the Cross has done its work in the mind, the believer will be double minded! Unable to receive from God they are left powerless!

Jas 1:6

But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7

For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

Jas 1:8

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

To me being double minded is to dwell in hypocrisy, wherein one draws lines for others to meet that he himself does not keep. He therefore would not be loving others as he would want to be loved since he takes more than he gives. The cross shows a person without any sin that does not condemn those who would crucify him, but rather forgives them and excuses them. If we love our enemies and give more than we take, through perseverance in faith unto this, the flesh must eventually die so that the Spirit may live.

 

[Mitspa]

To me being double minded is to dwell in hypocrisy, wherein one draws lines for others to meet that he himself does not keep. He therefore would not be loving others as he would want to be loved. The cross shows a person without any sin that does not condemn those who would crucify him, but rather forgives them and excuses them. If we love our enemies and give more than we take, the flesh must die so that the Spirit may live.

If i may ask you a question? answer if you like? Have you ever prayed for the healing of another? As you tried to have faith, did doubts come to your mind? If so, that is the flesh! That is the natural mind! The cross will crux the natural mind and its doubts! Which will open the doors to new levels of faith and power for the believer! Now that is scripture, you can believe it or reject it, but the truth is still true. God Bless

 

[childeye]

If i may ask you a question? answer if you like? Have you ever prayed for the healing of another? As you tried to have faith, did doubts come to your mind? If so, that is the flesh! That is the natural mind! The cross will crux the natural mind and its doubts! Which will open the doors to new levels of faith and power for the believer! Now that is scripture, you can believe it or reject it, but the truth is still true. God Bless

Interesting. Have you prayed for healing for someone? I certainly have and yes there were doubts. There is nothing altruistic that I do where doubt does not oppose in some manner or degree. There were doubts that I even needed to pray at all. For I know God can do anything, but perhaps there is an unseen purpose that is being served.

 

[Mitspa]

Interesting. Have you prayed for healing for someone? I certainly have and yes there were doubts. There is nothing altruistic that I do where doubt does not oppose in some manner or degree. There were doubts that I even needed to pray at all. For I know God can do anything, but perhaps there is an unseen purpose that is being served.

I used to be filled with doubts! but the Cross has done its work and continues to work to bring the "natural mind" into submission to the Promises of God.



Jas 5:14

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Jas 5:15

And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

You can bring many of those doubts into the "obedience of faith" and you might be suprised how well your faith works, when you have overcome the doubts. None of us are special but childlike faith can do great things!

 

[Mitspa]

Rom 8:2



For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3



For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4



That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5



For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6



For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7



Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8



So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.




The power of the Cross, working in each believer should be the place where we bring every thought to be judged. Does this thought come from the natural (carnal) mind, or does it conform to the mind of the "spirit"?

To be "spiritual" means to think and behave according to the will and intention of the "spirit"! Only the Cross of Jesus can put to death the great lie of satan; "You can be as God Knowing good and evil". Now consider "your ability" to judge what is right and wrong? See if it comforms to what happened on His Cross? The Just and Holy One, dying for the unjust and unholy! And the Father calling it a Righteous act? No! become a fool and God will make you wise!

 

[savedbygrace57]

1Co 1:18






For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1Co 1:19





For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

The cross has two sides, the breaking down side and the raising up side, and it is in the power of the Cross of the Lord Jesus that the Word of God finds its effectiveness.

So do you believe that everyone Christ died for, His Cross, will effectually save everyone He died for ? Yes or no and why !

 

[Mitspa]

So do you believe that everyone Christ died for, His Cross, will effectually save everyone He died for ? Yes or no and why !

Well i try not to have or make-up an opinion based on my own desires! I look to the Word of God alone to decide such matters!

The first scipture one should consider is this;



Rom 10:6

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

Rom 10:7

Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

The judgment of God, is found throughout the scriptures. Now have i come to a "full understanding" of how God will judge those who reject the Salvation in Christ? I would be full of pride to claim that i have! I do however welcome an honest discussion, within the scriptures! Not according to human desires of human wisdom! Do you have a scripture you would like to discuss?

 

[savedbygrace57]

Well i try not to have or make-up an opinion based on my own desires! I look to the Word of God alone to decide such matters!

The first scipture one should consider is this;



Rom 10:6



But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

Rom 10:7





Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

The judgment of God, is found throughout the scriptures. Now have i come to a "full understanding" of how God will judge those who reject the Salvation in Christ? I would be full of pride to claim that i have! I do however welcome an honest discussion, within the scriptures! Not according to human desires of human wisdom! Do you have a scripture you would like to discuss?

Answer the question please !

So do you believe that everyone Christ died for, His Cross, will effectually save everyone He died for ? Yes or no and why ! You are talking about the power of the Cross, so why be scared to answer the question about the Cross ?

 

[Mitspa]

Answer the question please !

So do you believe that everyone Christ died for, His Cross, will effectually save everyone He died for ? Yes or no and why ! You are talking about the power of the Cross, so why be scared to answer the question about the Cross ?

Please dont attempt to tell me how i must respond! who died and left you in charge?:toofunny

Now! i believe the Cross of Christ Jesus works according to scripture!
Do you have a scripture you would like to discuss? Or are you one who allows their own flesh decide things that are not revealed in scripture?

1Co 4:6


And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
Rom 15:3

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Rom 15:4

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.



2Jn 1:9

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

 

[Mitspa]

Rom 8:5



For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the
flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6



For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7



Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8



So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.




The power of the Cross, working in each believer should be the place where we bring every thought to be judged. Does this thought come from the natural (carnal) mind, or does it conform to the mind of the "spirit"?

To be "spiritual" means to think and behave according to the will and intention of the "spirit"! Only the Cross of Jesus can put to death the great lie of satan; "You can be as God Knowing good and evil". Now consider "your ability" to judge what is right and wrong? See if it comforms to what happened on His Cross? The Just and Holy One, dying for the unjust and unholy! And the Father calling it a Righteous act? No! become a fool and God will make you wise!