Bible Study The "practicing of righteousness" verses in the NT

[reba]

The Bible Study forum will not be turned inot a them and us forum... it will not go osas v. nonosas...
keep it in the Bible Study arena/format or risk being lock out.
In other words it is fine to state your thoughts the difference is state them and move on..
Do not reply to this post in this thread..

 

[BCsenior]

I do not understand how Bible Study cannot include OSAS Bible verses vs. non-OSAS Bible verses.
Please explain. Thanks.

 

[reba]

I do not understand how Bible Study cannot include OSAS Bible verses vs. non-OSAS Bible verses.
Please explain. Thanks.

Answering you in the thread cuz you new here and Welcomed also When a mod makes a decision you would like to address we have forum for that we call it TWITS here is the link
Your posts there are privet between you and staff..

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Stating ones reasons is one thing.. and acceptable .. listing the verses for sure
the battle of yes no yes no yes no will go one for page after page . We know this because the staff has read page after page of the that topic.. Most members will not 'discuss' osas it turns hateful . Which i find very sad..

State your opinions but not the yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no

 

[JLB]

I agree 99.99%

Seriously, might be semantics, but I would not agree with the "clean slate" statement. A clean slate seems to indicate that it is waiting for something to be written on it. I believe Christ cleaned the slate, then buried it.

Can we discuss this topic from examples in the Bible?

If so then if you would like to start with your example, I will follow.


JLB

 

[Nathan]

Can we discuss this topic from examples in the Bible?

If so then if you would like to start with your example, I will follow.


JLB

I would like that.

Believing God through Faith in Christ is what I would consider the beginning of our Righteousness. Just the same as Abram;

Genesis 15:1-6
After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision: “Fear not,Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very great.” But Abram said, “OLord GOD, what will you give me, for I continue childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “Behold, you have given me no offspring, and a member of my household will be my heir.” And behold, the word of the LORD came to him: “This man shall not be your heir; your very own son shall be your heir.” And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

Personally, when I explain "Faith" to someone I try to use examples like this. People think Faith is believing something hard enough, long enough, and good enough to make it happen. Rather, Faith is believing anything(and everything) God says. Here, Abram received righteousness from believing God would give as many offspring as the number of the stars.

Noah is a similar example;

Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.

This example not only shows Noah's Faith, but his outward showing of the Faith by constructing the ark.

These are two examples, there are more, but I don't want to get this too crowded. An online search in the Bible using "righteousness" will pull up more.

Point being, Faith is what lead to righteousness. Now onto my original question. Do we earn righteousness by doing righteous things?

While I believe Faith without works is dead faith, I do not believe that "works" of righteousness earn us - or keep us - in right standing. I believe Faith does. Works follow our Faith, but that is only because of Faith comes first. Sinners sin because they are sinners. The righteous do righteous things because they are righteous. Once you flop those around you become entangled by the flesh and its view of things. What we have to remember is God views things from His perspective, not ours. His perspective is through Christ and His shed blood.

Philippians 3:1-11
Finally, my brothers,rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you is no trouble to me and is safe for you.

Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For owe are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord.For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

Paul was simply stating, that concerning righteousness, he had that stuff down. He was the man. If you wanted to see some righteous stuff, he could do it. But he understood, that even though he knew all there was to know about things that are righteous, the only thing that mattered and gave true righteousness is that Faith in Christ. The kicker is, Faith is not a "once and done", its a continual Faith - which effectively produces continual righteousness.

Sorry for being so long winded.

 

[JLB]

Believing God through Faith in Christ is what I would consider the beginning of our Righteousness. Just the same as Abram;

Yes, Abraham is the example I would also refer to.

Agreed.

Genesis 15:1-6
After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision: “Fear not,Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very great.” But Abram said, “OLord GOD, what will you give me, for I continue childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” And Abram said, “Behold, you have given me no offspring, and a member of my household will be my heir.” And behold, the word of the LORD came to him: “This man shall not be your heir; your very own son shall be your heir.” And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

Here is where you and I may differ, in our perspective, because of your statement:
I would consider the beginning of our Righteousness. Just the same as Abram.


Here is where I see that Abraham began his righteousness, through "believing" [obeying] the Gospel [shadow &type].


Now the Lord had said to Abram:

“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. Genesis 12:1-4

This is when Abraham was first justified, through the obedience of faith.

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26 KJV


I'm hoping we will be able to discuss the "concepts" and "principles" of salvation through faith, and justification in this thread.


When Abraham was called to go out [repent] from his father's house and submit to and follow the Lord, it typtified the Gospel and those who would be faithful to follow where the Lord would lead.


By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. Hebrews 11:8


This was when Abraham was first justified, demonstrating the pattern to come, and how God would justify the Gentiles by faith.
[Abraham being a Gentile]

8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8


In you all the nations of the world would be blessed, is a quote from Genesis 12:3, when Abraham was first justified by faith.


That's enough. You comment, then we will continue with justification.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Do we earn righteousness by doing righteous things?

I don't see any scriptures that say we "earn" righteousness by doing righteous things.


I do see that John said - Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.



JLB

 

[Nathan]

Yes, Abraham is the example I would also refer to.

Agreed.




Here is where you and I may differ, in our perspective, because of your statement:
I would consider the beginning of our Righteousness. Just the same as Abram.


Here is where I see that Abraham began his righteousness, through "believing" [obeying] the Gospel [shadow &type].


Now the Lord had said to Abram:

“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. Genesis 12:1-4

This is when Abraham was first justified, through the obedience of faith.

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26 KJV


I'm hoping we will be able to discuss the "concepts" and "principles" of salvation through faith, and justification in this thread.


When Abraham was called to go out [repent] from his father's house and submit to and follow the Lord, it typtified the Gospel and those who would be faithful to follow where the Lord would lead.


By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. Hebrews 11:8


This was when Abraham was first justified, demonstrating the pattern to come, and how God would justify the Gentiles by faith.
[Abraham being a Gentile]

8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8


In you all the nations of the world would be blessed, is a quote from Genesis 12:3, when Abraham was first justified by faith.


That's enough. You comment, then we will continue with justification.



JLB

I would agree that when Abram left his home could be considered the "beginning". But who's to say there is not more even before that? Reason I say that is I just used that as an example of how righteousness is given, by Faith, not earned. So I imagine we don't see differently on that.

I personally don't mind going on to principals and concepts of salvation through Faith, but I am not sure it would be on topic of this thread? Related yes, but essence no.

I'll be able to go into more detail in the morning. Only have my phone to type on this evening and it's a slow process. Lol

Let's start a new thread? You title it, and I'll contribute first thing in the morning.

 

[Nathan]

I don't see any scriptures that say we "earn" righteousness by doing righteous things.


I do see that John said - Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.



JLB

Thanks for clarifying.

Maybe it's a wording thing that may be the differences were experiencing.

I honestly only see, from that passage and more, that it's simply a matter of the righteous - through Faith - are the only ones who can practice righteousness.

Sinners can at times seem righteous, but in the end they will never continue in the way.

In the same passage you quote from John goes on to say this;

By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

 

[JLB]

I honestly only see, from that passage and more, that it's simply a matter of the righteous - through Faith - are the only ones who can practice righteousness.

Amen, I agree.

Where we may see things differently, is what faith is, and how faith comes, and how faith is activated or alive, so that it produces or completes the intended divine result.

Righteousness through faith, simply put is: you do what God says to do.

Faith is what you receive when God speaks to you.

James says it this way -

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect [complete]? James 2:21-22

Works here in this context is: the effort or action that obedience requires.


Abraham was not justified, when God said: Go and sacrifice Isaac.

When God said, go and sacrifice Isaac, that's when Abraham received faith.

Abraham, was justified [acquired a righteous standing with God] when he offered Isaac on the altar.

Abraham wasn't justified when he told his son to accompany him.
Abraham wasn't justified when he was traveling on the way.
Abraham wasn't justified when he started up the mountain.

Abraham was justified, when he obeyed what God told him to do.

That is why it's call the obedience of faith, and not the good intention of faith.

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26



JLB

 

[JLB]

But who's to say there is not more even before that?

There is much more before that, but the scriptures from the New Testament flow with the examples of the Old, so that God's intended portrayal of the Gospel was foreshadowed in the lives He chose.

Here it is again -

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8

Abraham obeying the call to "go out" of his father's house to follow the Lord, foreshadows for us the idea of turning away from our old life [repent] to the Lord, and following Him.


Make no mistake, Abraham followed the same Lord we do.



JLB

 

[Nathan]

Amen, I agree.

Where we may see things differently, is what faith is, and how faith comes, and how faith is activated or alive, so that it produces or completes the intended divine result.

Righteousness through faith, simply put is: you do what God says to do.

Faith is what you receive when God speaks to you.

James says it this way -

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect [complete]? James 2:21-22

Works here in this context is: the effort or action that obedience requires.


Abraham was not justified, when God said: Go and sacrifice Isaac.

When God said, go and sacrifice Isaac, that's when Abraham received faith.

Abraham, was justified [acquired a righteous standing with God] when he offered Isaac on the altar.

Abraham wasn't justified when he told his son to accompany him.
Abraham wasn't justified when he was traveling on the way.
Abraham wasn't justified when he started up the mountain.

Abraham was justified, when he obeyed what God told him to do.

That is why it's call the obedience of faith, and not the good intention of faith.

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26



JLB

I think that is where we might be "word locked" as it is. Funny thing how the written language can sometimes be so confusing to people, even causing confusion, when all it does is just sit there on paper. However, I think that when studying the Bible you really have to take things in full context. Often, when I am studying a single passage/verse, I will read the entire book its in. Especially when your dealing with the NT letters. I think those are a must to read as they were almost like what we do here on the forum. A person could easily take some of my sentences and make it sound like I am saying something completely different.

Righteousness through faith, simply put is: you do what God says to do.

Faith is what you receive when God speaks to you.

I honestly think that righteousness through Faith is imparted from God, not something we do. Faith is something we do, and in return God imparts righteousness. But Faith comes first. Kind of like the chicken and the egg. (we really need a chicken/egg emoji)

The beauty of the Gospel is that along with righteousness being imparted to us by Faith, Faith itself is given to us. Both gifts from God, so that we can never say(or think) we did anything to earn God's favor/grace. Along in that passage we also see why God gives us Faith - imparts righteousness - so that we can walk(live) in good works. Again, chicken/egg principle. God's desire is that we live righteous lives, God knows we cannot do it alone, God gives us the ability so we don't become 'self-righteous', then we simply continue to live by Faith.

Ephesians 2:1-10
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; cit is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

I think the topic of this thread is mainly how this righteous living is carried out. What does it look like? How do we do it(practice it)?

I do believe we have nailed down the imparting of righteousness, "beginning" for lack of a better word, now we should work(pun) on how that Faith/Righteousness is shown in our daily lives.

 

[JLB]

I think that is where we might be "word locked" as it is. Funny thing how the written language can sometimes be so confusing to people, even causing confusion, when all it does is just sit there on paper. However, I think that when studying the Bible you really have to take things in full context. Often, when I am studying a single passage/verse, I will read the entire book its in. Especially when your dealing with the NT letters. I think those are a must to read as they were almost like what we do here on the forum. A person could easily take some of my sentences and make it sound like I am saying something completely different.


I honestly think that righteousness through Faith is imparted from God, not something we do. Faith is something we do, and in return God imparts righteousness. But Faith comes first. Kind of like the chicken and the egg. (we really need a chicken/egg emoji)

The beauty of the Gospel is that along with righteousness being imparted to us by Faith, Faith itself is given to us. Both gifts from God, so that we can never say(or think) we did anything to earn God's favor/grace. Along in that passage we also see why God gives us Faith - imparts righteousness - so that we can walk(live) in good works. Again, chicken/egg principle. God's desire is that we live righteous lives, God knows we cannot do it alone, God gives us the ability so we don't become 'self-righteous', then we simply continue to live by Faith.

Ephesians 2:1-10
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; cit is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

I think the topic of this thread is mainly how this righteous living is carried out. What does it look like? How do we do it(practice it)?

I do believe we have nailed down the imparting of righteousness, "beginning" for lack of a better word, now we should work(pun) on how that Faith/Righteousness is shown in our daily lives.

Could refer to actual sentences within my post that you disagree with, so I know where we may disagree?


Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect [complete]? James 2:21-22

• Which of the following statements do you specifically disagree with and why?

1. When God said, go and sacrifice Isaac, that's when Abraham received faith.
2. Abraham, was justified [acquired a righteous standing with God] when he offered Isaac on the altar.
3. Abraham was not justified, when God said: Go and sacrifice Isaac.
4. Abraham wasn't justified when he told his son to accompany him.
5. Abraham wasn't justified when he was traveling on the way.
6. Abraham wasn't justified when he started up the mountain.
7. Abraham was justified, when he obeyed what God told him to do.

JLB

 

[JLB]

I honestly think that righteousness through Faith is imparted from God, not something we do.

Do you believe that Abraham would have been justified [acquired a right standing with God] if he disobeyed what God said?

We know that when God said to him... Go and sacrifice Isaac, is when Abraham received faith.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

At that point, Abraham had the choice to obey or disobey God.

The scripture says Abraham was justified when he obeyed...

Are you saying he would have been justified if he didn't obey?

Please help me yo understand, what you believe?



JLB

 

[JLB]

I do believe we have nailed down the imparting of righteousness, "beginning" for lack of a better word, now we should work(pun) on how that Faith/Righteousness is shown in our daily lives.

The righteousness of faith works one way: by obedience.

Practicing what the Lord leads us to do, is how the righteousness of faith is expressed.

That's why Paul said this: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14



JLB

 

[Nathan]

Do you believe that Abraham would have been justified [acquired a right standing with God] if he disobeyed what God said?

We know that when God said to him... Go and sacrifice Isaac, is when Abraham received faith.



At that point, Abraham had the choice to obey or disobey God.

The scripture says Abraham was justified when he obeyed...

Are you saying he would have been justified if he didn't obey?

Please help me yo understand, what you believe?



JLB

Interesting. I'm beginning to see your point of view. Thanks.

No, I don't believe that Abraham would have been justified if he had not offered Issac - anymore than I believe that offering Issac did justify him.

Abraham was justified when he believed God. The same was we are when we believe God.

Genesis 15:6
And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

He didn't do any "act" or "work" to recieve that. Just believed. I would say, that it wasn't a 'oh yea sure God, I am pretty sure you'll do that' kind of belief.

Abraham recieved Faith in the very beginning. We also see that from time to time Abraham was unfaithful, but he still held to the Faith.

 

[JLB]

No, I don't believe that Abraham would have been justified if he had not offered Issac - anymore than I believe that offering Issac did justify him.

You are free to believe what ever you like, it's your choice.

I can only present to you what the bible teaches.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

works here is - obedience

and again

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8

Abraham was first justified by faith here in Genesis 12, where God called him to go out, as Galatians 3:8 teaches.

Now the Lord had said to Abram:

“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him. And Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. Genesis 12:1-4


By faith, means you have obeyed, and completed the word of God which imparted faith.

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8


again with Noah

By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7


Without the action of obedience [works] faith is dead, inactive, just as a body without the spirit is dead.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26


JLB

 

[Nathan]

Are you saying that justification is not continual?

For example, if someone believes God and receives faith, then a year down the road God says "Do such and such" and the person decides not too, are they still in Faith? Or did that person "fall" from Faith? If they were to die, after the moment of disobeying God, would they receive eternal life or eternal death?

 

[JLB]

Abraham was justified when he believed God. The same was we are when we believe God.

Genesis 15:6
And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

He didn't do any "act" or "work" to recieve that. Just believed.

Abraham had already obeyed that word of promise to Abraham, and been justified, which was from Genesis 12.
Genesis 15 was God reassuring Abraham that He would make good on His original promise.

After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.” 2 But Abram said, “Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”
4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.” 5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”

6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

7 Then He said to him, “I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
Genesis 15:1-7

• Abraham, though discouraged that he had not attained the promise, still responded in obedience to the word, when he went outside and looked up at the stars.

He obeyed God, no matter how big or small the act of obedience, Abraham obeyed; He responded to God's voice in a positive obedient way, demonstrating he believed God.

Just as we are called to confess with our mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in our heart God raised Him was from the dead.

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:8-10

These two components work together to complete the principle of faith, as James says.

Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect [complete]? James 2:22

The divine result of our faith is salvation.

...with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Obeying the Gospel is confessing with your mouth, Jesus is Lord.

That is your confession of faith, in demonstrating that Satan is no longer your lord.

Believe and obey.

If you believe you will obey.


Disobedience = Unbelief - [Same Greek word]



JLB

 

[JLB]

Are you saying that justification is not continual?

For example, if someone believes God and receives faith, then a year down the road God says "Do such and such" and the person decides not too, are they still in Faith? Or did that person "fall" from Faith? If they were to die, after the moment of disobeying God, would they receive eternal life or eternal death?

I'm saying that Abraham was justified the first time, when he obeyed the word from God to get out of his father's house, in Genesis 12, demonstrating the requirement of the justification by faith.

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8

I'm saying that God continued to justify Abraham, when Abraham offered Isaac on the altar.

Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

In both cases the scripture says Abraham was justified.

The bible teaches us the just shall live by faith.

That's a faith that continues, not a one time faith, then no longer believe's.


36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:

37 “For yet a little while,
And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”

39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
Hebrews 10:36-39


JLB