The Prodigal Son

[Walpole]

IMO, they were both surprised at what Jesus expected of them.
But, the righteous did what Jesus expected of them,
while the unrighteous did not.

The goats are surprised that faith alone didn’t save them; while the sheep were surprised by the habit of their virtue.

 

[lisa-in-FL]

You mean an adulterous person is different that an adulterer?
You mean only one of these is an adulterer? ...
(1) an adulterous person, and (2) an adulterer

lol - no. please don't get confused by what I said. In the English language "adulterous person" is an adjective used to describe a noun and the other is just the noun - "adulterer".
In the context of the verse you are misusing, "cowardly, unbelieving" etc are adjectives used to describe the list of un-saved sinners. The key is "unbelieving" as in non-believers, who aren't followers of Christ.
Someone who is saved is not going to lose their salvation when they sin. We will face the consequences of our actions, including the damage that sin does to our testimony as a Christian, but Jesus doesn't turn his back on us and the Holy Spirit will not depart from us.

 

[Senior]

Someone who is saved is not going to lose their salvation when they sin. We will face the consequences of our actions, including the damage that sin does to our testimony as a Christian, but Jesus doesn't turn his back on us and the Holy Spirit will not depart from us.

How may times do I have to repeat it?
Habitual unrepentant sinners are NOT in a state of righteousness before the Lord, i.e. in His eyes!
If they die without sincere repentance, they will go to hell.
http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...t-verses-threatening-loss-of-salvation.78363/

 

[Walpole]

lol - no. please don't get confused by what I said. In the English language "adulterous person" is an adjective used to describe a noun and the other is just the noun - "adulterer".
In the context of the verse you are misusing, "cowardly, unbelieving" etc are adjectives used to describe the list of un-saved sinners. The key is "unbelieving" as in non-believers, who aren't followers of Christ.
Someone who is saved is not going to lose their salvation when they sin. We will face the consequences of our actions, including the damage that sin does to our testimony as a Christian, but Jesus doesn't turn his back on us and the Holy Spirit will not depart from us.

Writing to the "saved" in Galatia (the church there), St. Paul warns the Galatians that if they break the commandments of God (i.e. sin), they will not inherit the Kingdom of God...

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)

 

[chessman]

Writing to the "saved" in Galatia (the church there), St. Paul warns the Galatians that if they break the commandments of God (i.e. sin), they will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Actually he told the saved:

For the whole law is fulfilled in one statement, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”​

Galatians 5:14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Galatians 5:14&version=LEB

they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)

Why do you think he says “they” instead of “you”?

 

[JLB]

In 2018, I believe God has told several of His "people" there will be a snatching away of His special remnant (firstfruits) before the antichrist pours out his wrath on believers.
Some of the latter will be on the run to escape him
after refusing to submit to taking the mark of the beast.

Yes, sorry, but there are fully sanctified (holy) believers
and there are believers who are not such!

Your either a believer (obeyer) or not.



JLB

 

[Senior]

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that
they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21)

Yes, thank you ... but, the above is a kindergarden Scripture,
which every BAC should (and must) be aware of!

The parallel verses are Ephesians 5:3-6 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

But, alas, they are NOT taught in your churches.
Ergo, GET OUT OF THEM ... and get set up in a home church
where you (all BACs) can honestly learn from the Scriptures!

 

[Senior]

You're either a believer (obeyer) or not.

Sure, brother, but MOST "believers" today
do NOT equate believing with obeying!
Because the N. A. churches today are full of "believers"
who are involved in habitual unrepentant sinning.
These people are NOT "believers" in the eyes of God.

 

[Senior]

error

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Can anyone really be free of sin? And if so how? Jesus defined the scope of sins in one sermon, regarding just lusting after another woman instead of your wife as part of adultry. That among other things that He taught in the sermon show a more difficult path to be sinless. Some even point to these teachings as a means to say that it is hopeless to do this without God's act of salvation and His rightousness covering our sins, and that we will always be sinning even if it is a reduced amount after being saved.

If this is not the case, then how to persevere in a sinful world without sinning ourselves is a worthwhile point to address. We all strive to be right by God, and many do better then others on overcoming certian sins. But so far the point of Jesus coming to die for us is because we are unable to keep ourselves from sin.

 

[chessman]

The parallel verses are Ephesians 5:3-6 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

Yep. In which Paul makes it unequivocally clear, that BACs are no longer these things. Which is the answer to my question (why does he say “they” and not you?):

Therefore do not be sharers with them, for you were formerly darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live like children of light (for the fruit of the light is in all goodness and righteousness and truth),​

Ephesians 5:7-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Ephesians 5:7-9&version=LEB

And some of you were these things, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.​

1 Corinthians 6:11 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 6:11&version=LEB

 

[lisa-in-FL]

Can anyone really be free of sin? And if so how? Jesus defined the scope of sins in one sermon, regarding just lusting after another woman instead of your wife as part of adultry. That among other things that He taught in the sermon show a more difficult path to be sinless. Some even point to these teachings as a means to say that it is hopeless to do this without God's act of salvation and His rightousness covering our sins, and that we will always be sinning even if it is a reduced amount after being saved.

If this is not the case, then how to persevere in a sinful world without sinning ourselves is a worthwhile point to address. We all strive to be right by God, and many do better then others on overcoming certian sins. But so far the point of Jesus coming to die for us is because we are unable to keep ourselves from sin.

When we are saved, if we truly put our faith in Christ alone to get to heaven, it is a done deal. Salvation isn't a process. That's why people can get saved on their deathbed or like the thief on the cross.
Now that you are a new creation with the Holy Spirit living in you, you will see a change in your thinking and your behavior, but like Paul wrote many times you will also see the struggle between the inner and outer man.
God wants to use you and your testimony, which means its best to strive to live a clean life, free of sin. Think about the sports stars or famous preachers who people looked up to only to later find out some secret sin that ruins them. Only Jesus was truly free of sin, which is why he is the only Way, Truth and Life.
Our good works can lead to many great things in this life and reward in the next, but they alone cannot get you to heaven.

Since this thread was originally about a parable, look at the parable of the Pharisee and the publican (Luke 18: 9-14). The Pharisee is abstaining from certain sins and doing good works, but his faith is in himself (Jesus was teaching this to people who believed in their own righteousness - see verse 9), where as the publican begs God for mercy because he knows he's a sinner.

 

[ezra]

How may times do I have to repeat it?
Habitual unrepentant sinners are NOT in a state of righteousness before the Lord, i.e. in His eyes!
If they die without sincere repentance, they will go to hell.
http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...t-verses-threatening-loss-of-salvation.78363/

then chances are they aint SAVED

 

[JLB]

Can anyone really be free of sin?

Our flesh contains sin.

It desires to express itself.

Our spirit that is joined to Christ and empowered by His Spirit, also desires to express itself in righteous manifestations of love.


We must choose which one we invest our time and energy in to develope and strengthen in order to rule rule over the other in dominion.


If we sow to the flesh, then we can expect to reap eternal damnation.


If we sow to the Spirit, then we can expect to reap everlasting life.


For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
Galatians 6:8




JLB

 

[JLB]

then chances are they aint SAVED

No. Were not discussing people who were never saved.

No need to waste time talking in circles.

People who are indeed saved, who wander away and become lost and never repent, will remain lost.


It’s very simple.


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20



JLB

 

[JLB]

Yep. In which Paul makes it unequivocally clear, that BACs are no longer these things. Which is the answer to my question (why does he say “they” and not you?):

Therefore do not be sharers with them, for you were formerly darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live like children of light (for the fruit of the light is in all goodness and righteousness and truth),​

Ephesians 5:7-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Ephesians 5:7-9&version=LEB

And some of you were these things, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.​

1 Corinthians 6:11 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 6:11&version=LEB

But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:3-7

• Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.

God does not want born again Christians partaking of His wrath, along with the sons of disobedience.


The Apostle Paul is warning Christians, not to be partakers of God’s wrath by engaging in the works of the flesh.

Christians who practice the works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God.



JLB

 

[chessman]

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Let no one be deceived. The verse says “the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience” not upon Christians.

 

[JLB]

Let no one be deceived. The verse says “the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience” not upon Christians.

The scripture warns us not to be partakers of the wrath of God along with the sons of disobedience.


Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:6-7

• Therefore do not be partakers with them.

This is another one of those verses, like
1 Timothy 4:1, that just can’t be explained away.


You can try and try, but all that ends up happening is folks see that you are a person that lacks integrity towards sound doctrine.


in all things showing yourself to be a pattern of good works; in doctrine showing integrity, reverence, incorruptibility, Titus 2:7




JLB

 

[chessman]

The scripture warns us not to be partakers of the wrath of God

No it doesn’t. That’s simply you adding your empty words to what Paul literally said.

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. Ephesians 5:6-7

What Christians (who are not the “them” in the passage but are rather the “us” Paul speaks of (the loved of Christ, v1-2) are told is to not partake of “these things” (plural verbs) with “them” (the non-Christians) not the wrath of God. Provably so, not just my opinion!

The “these things” are plural verbs listed in the previous verses and is not “the wrath of God” (a singular noun, a thing, not a verb) falling upon the disobedient/disbelievers. Wrath is a thing, a noun, that “comes upon”, falls down on, the sons of disobedience not upon the loved sons of God. You’re mixing up what Paul said, once again.

folks see that you are a person that lacks integrity towards sound doctrine.

Accusing another Christian of being a person lacking integrity towards sound doctrine is simply foolish talk and on the list of actions (“these things”) in which one of Christ’s loved ones is not supposed to partake of. As well as on the list of ToS violations. But that’s okay, Christ loves you anyway and it doesn’t make you are one of “them” who will receive God’s wrath not one of “us” who has already received Christ’s love.

 

[Senior]

Let no one be deceived. The verse says “the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience” not upon Christians.

N. A. churches are filled to over-flowing with people
who are disobedient to Jesus and the gospel.
Many of these are BACs.

4 times in John 14, Jesus said (paraphrasing):
"Those who love Me will obey My commandments."
Once in John 15, Jesus said (paraphrasing):
"Those who are My friends will obey My commandments."

Who will be getting into heaven ...
who do not love Jesus and are not His friend?

IMO, one must love Jesus and be His friend to get into heaven.
.