Shilohsfoal
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I'm not the one who said it. Jesus did.Are you saying Jesus shouldn't assume them who are in judea will flee to the mountains?
Did you believe Jesus should rephrase what he said to suit your point of view?
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The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation
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Did you believe Jesus should rephrase what he said to suit your point of view?
Shilohsfoal
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The saints in Israel will be imprisoned and murdered by the Jews in Israel at that time.
I myself will be able to calculate the day the cloud ascends from Jerusalem though.I should also understand if the 1335 day is the feast of tabernacles as I believe it may be.If so,I'd like to make the trip if all possible.
Jesus mentioned Judea. You assumed that mentioning a place means that something is limited to that place.
Shilohsfoal
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Something does happen in that place.Them in judea flee to the mountains.
What happens is the armed forces on the north place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem.
If you pay attention to scripture concerning the king of the north,you would notice his armed forces are attacking the middle east at that time.Hes not attacking South America or Canada.Hes not attacking his own country.He is attacking the land of Israel and all the nations that have attacked Israel.As I've stated in another thread.The armed forces of the north are acting in accordance with Israel policy known as the Samson option.
The abomination of desolation placed in Jerusalem that the occupants of judea flee from in haste is a nuclear explosion They see the cloud rising into heaven.
Luke 21
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
I expect the king of the north will use quite a few of his vast arsenal of weapons to destroy the middle east and north Africa.As I've stated before,this takes place after Jerusalem falls to its muslim neighbors.On the day the nukes fall,the kingdom becomes Christs and Zion is founded.
Isaiah 14
29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the Lord hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.
You're having a really difficult time understanding what I am saying. I did not say that nothing happens in Judea. I said (several times) that something happening in a place doesn't mean it only happens in that place. You're making an assumption.
Shilohsfoal
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You are making an assumption that something will happen in another place.Not me.
I understand where the happenings are.
Where I live ,no one will be fleeing for the mountains when the abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem just as no one fled for the mountains in the US when a nuke was placed in Hiroshima
There is no reason to flee when your on the other side of the planet.
Carry_Your_Name
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You forgot one thing - God's wrath is NOT man's wrath. Man's wrath against Christians is a test of our qualification, God's wrath is his judgement upon those evil people, for "vengeance is mine", says the Lord.
Revelation is not strictly written in chronological order, and the tribulation is not 7 years. It's only three and a half years.
The real problem is that this rapture has superceded salvation through the blood of Christ as the only hope. That doesn't mean rapture doctrine is false, what's wrong is the priority, our salvation right here, right now must be put in the first place.
Carry_Your_Name
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The 144,000 are the firstfruits of the great multitude in Rev. 7, they are a small sample portion of the whole harvest. This is the ultimate fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits.
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest. He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it. And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the sheaf, a male lamb of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt offering to the Lord. (Lev. 23:9-12)
These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God. (Rev. 14:4-5)
Shilohsfoal
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No,the 144000 are not a small sample of the great multitude.
The great multitude comes out of the nations .The 144000 did not.They are from 12 tribes of Israel.
Carry_Your_Name
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So? Isn't Israel a nation? Besides, it is written in Deut. 28:64, that disobedient Israelites will be cursed and scattered among all nations on earth.
Shilohsfoal
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The 144000 are not disobedient Israelites.
They are those who overcome the beast and are resurected in the first resurection.They reign with Christ over the nations.
Carry_Your_Name
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You know what I mean, man. There's no Jew or Gentiles, for all are one in Christ.
Shilohsfoal
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There's a difference between the remnant of Israel and the nations.
Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Not everyone will reign with Christ .If you notice it's them who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus and who did not worship the beast or it's image nor did they receive its mark.For the last 2000 years few people qualify to be one of these priests who reign with Christ.Can you name one of them by name?
If not ,then you should at least see a difference between them and everyone else who is not resurected in the first resurection.
Carry_Your_Name
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There will martyrs of Christ in all nations in the end times, how come that those must be all Israelites? Besides, if those are the 144,000, haven't they been sealed in chapter 7?
Shilohsfoal
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They are all Israelites because the beast that received a deadly wound and was healed is the Israeli government.The deadly wound was healed in 1948.
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:6 is the fulfillment of Exodus 19:6
Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
In about a year to year and a half ,a second beast will appear in Israel.It is at that time those saints in Israel will be persecuted and killed as Jesus was.
Mathew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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Carry_Your_Name
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Man, what are you talking about? Healing of that deadly wound is a counterfeit resurrection. The title "Antichrist" means "in place of Christ", the Beast is the counterfeit Christ, who would appear to be dead and resurrected like Christ, except he isn't. It is written in Rev. 17:9-11:
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
The seventh head is the final head that will receive a deadly blow, the eighth is the healed seventh head.
Shilohsfoal
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No,John is the only person in the bible who used the word antichrist and John did not say that about antichrist.
But I will say that since Christ is Israel and the king of that nation,the counterfeit is the nation which calls itself Israel today and the government of the nation is antichrist
In fact the entire nation was made for them that are antichrist.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.
The nation state of Israel today was founded for them who reject Christ.It was founded for those who practice Judaism.They wouldn't even let Christian Jews move to Israel till recently and it's still very hard to move there.Any Jews who reject Christ can move there immediately without delay.
Maybe someday you will figure it out
Carry_Your_Name
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So? Somehow Israel is the antichrist? God's own chosen people? What more can be more antisemetic? Jews are a stiffnecked people, they always grieved the Holy Spirit and resisted Christ, but at the end they will cry out, "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!" (Matt. 23:39) That's the fig tree generation, and it's already happening.
Shilohsfoal
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So you believe them that reject and curse Christ,kill the prophets are God's chosen people,a holy nation and a kingdom of priests.
How misled you are.
The only Israelites that will say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord are them who don't reject and curse Christ.Its those Israelis who don't worship the beast or it's image nor do they recieve it's mark.There are 144000 of them.
The rest will flee when the Lord comes hiding under the earth in caves and fleeing out of the kingdom in horror
Mathew 8
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The people you believe are chosen by God are cast out by God as they have so many times before for their disbelief and disobedience.
Carry_Your_Name
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You're the one who's misled by your antisemetism and replacement theology. God made an eternal covenant with Abraham, calling him out of all people, Gen. 12:1-3. That never changes, never has, never will. If they were not God's chosen people, why would 144,000 Israelites be chosen and sealed?