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TheStudent said:'
please seperate the ORIGINAL islam with what these EXTREMISTS are teaching.
You are saying that the original Islam didn't oppress other religions?
Are you really saying that?
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TheStudent said:'
please seperate the ORIGINAL islam with what these EXTREMISTS are teaching.
Gary_Bee said:... and Muhammad also said:
Umar said that that he heard Muhammad say that
"I shall expel all Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not allow any one here except Muslims."
Further, the Muhammad said
"There can be no more than one deen co-existing in the Arabian Peninsula" (that is, Hijaz and Najd).
hmmmmmm
Read more here:
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/xstnc-7.html
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Gary_Bee said:... and Muhammad also said:
Umar said that that he heard Muhammad say that
"I shall expel all Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not allow any one here except Muslims."
Further, the Muhammad said
"There can be no more than one deen co-existing in the Arabian Peninsula" (that is, Hijaz and Najd).
hmmmmmm
Read more here:
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/xstnc-7.html
:o
TheStudent said:show me these two hadiths with their chain of narration. these sound VERY unathentic. lets see what your worth gary.
Gary_Bee said:You wanted a source? Sure, here is a Muslim one...
http://www.islamic-state.org/saudi/peninsula.shtml
:-?
TheStudent said:this is honestly the first time i had come across those two. wether they are truly authentic i will have to further investigate.
fatwa said:From http://www.fatwa-online.com
The rule concerning employment of foreign non-Muslims in Muslim lands, especially in the Arabian Peninsula
Published on Thursday 3 August 2000
Question: Is it permissible to import foreign labors who are non-Muslims?
Response: No doubt the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) ordered for the expulsion of the polytheists from the Arabian Peninsula. He said: ((I will surely expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula so that I leave (there) none but Muslims)). The hadeeth indicates that the guidance of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) is that the Arabian Peninsula should remain with only Muslim inhabitants, due to the danger posed by the presence of Christians and other disbelievers.
Gary_Bee said:Some Jews became Muslims... yes, I remember a few cases. Muhammad and his men killed the men, raped their women and took the women as part of their plunder. The women were forced to become Muslims... they had few options as their men had already been murdered!
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TheStudent said:you say 'their men had been killed' and 'their women were taken'. is this really true gary?
TheStudent said:the rule concerning any hadiths is to see if they contradict the Quran. if they do then they are to be discarded. remember, the best Hadith is the Quran.
TheStudent said:divinenames, show me this oppresion.
PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY SERMON:
"Allah has tormented us with 'the people most hostile to the believers' - the Jews. 'Thou shalt find that the people most hostile to the believers to be the Jews and the polytheists.' Allah warned His beloved Prophet Muhammad about the Jews, who had killed their prophets, forged their Torah, and sowed corruption throughout their history.
"With the establishment of the state of Israel, the entire Islamic nation was lost, because Israel is a cancer spreading through the body of the Islamic nation, and because the Jews are a virus resembling AIDS, from which the entire world suffers.
"You will find that the Jews were behind all the civil strife in this world. The Jews are behind the suffering of the nations. "Ask Britain what it did to the Jews in the early sixth century. What did they do to the Jews? They expelled them, tortured them, and prevented them from entering Britain for more than 300 years. All this was because of what the Jews did in Britain. Ask France what it did to the Jews. They tortured them, expelled them, and burned their Talmud, because of the civil strife the Jews wanted to spark in France, in the days of Louis XIX. Ask Portugal what it did to the Jews. Ask Czarist Russia, which welcomed the Jews, who plotted to kill the Czar - so he massacred them. But don't ask Germany what it did to the Jews. It was the Jews who provoked Nazism to wage war against the entire world, when the Jews, using the Zionist movement, got other countries to wage an economic war on Germany and to boycott German merchandise. They provoked Russia, Britain, France, and Italy. This enraged the Germans toward the Jews, leading to the events of those days, which the Jews commemorate today.
"But they are committing worse deeds than those done to them in the Nazi war. Yes, perhaps some of them were killed and some burned, but they are inflating this in order to win over the media and gain the world's sympathy. The worst crimes in history were committed against the Jews, yet these crimes are no worse than what the Jews are doing in Palestine. What was done to the Jews was a crime, but isn't what the Jews are doing today in the land of Palestine not a crime?!
"Look at modern history. Where has Great Britain gone? Where has Czarist Russia gone? Where has France gone - France, which almost ruled the entire world? Where is Nazi Germany, which massacred millions and ruled the world? Where did all these superpowers go? He who made them disappear will make America disappear too, God willing. He who made Russia disappear overnight is capable of making America disappear and fall, Allah willing.
"We have ruled the world before, and by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again. The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world - except for the Jews. The Jews will not enjoy a life of tranquility under our rule, because they are treacherous by nature, as they have been throughout history. The day will come when everything will be relieved of the Jews - even the stones and trees which were harmed by them. Listen to the Prophet Muhammad, who tells you about the evil end that awaits Jews. The stones and trees will want the Muslims to finish off every Jew."
(The preceding were excerpts from the official Friday sermon on Palestinian Authority TV. The speaker is Sheik Ibrahim Muderis, a paid employee of the PA. - May 13, 2005)