The religion of peace.... Islam?

[Gary]

Re: Gary

Hey Gary,
I do not blame the muslims in these terrorist attacks because if you really look into it as i did you will see that even muslims are getting killed in these terrorist attacks!

So how can a muslim kill a muslim?

This doesnt make sense.

According to my simple knowledge muslims are not allowed to kill muslims and if they do they are not muslim so this in my opinion in an explanation to the terrorist thing .

Those terrorist cannot be muslims. Maybe by name but not in their doings

They follow Muhammad's example. Muhammad murdered and attacked anyone who opposed him. So all that has to happen is that someone is declared an opponent of Islam and an opponent of the prophet of Islam and they can be killed. Muhammad did that:

Also, so that you can start to understand who this man Muhammad was and how he killed and murdered his enemies, read these:

• (1) Muhammad and the Rape of the Female Slaves -here-
  (2) Muhammad and the Murder of Abu Afak -here-
  (3) Muhammad and the Murder of Asma bint Marwan -here-
  (4) The Deception and Murder of Kab al-Ashraf -here-
  (5) Muhammad and the Death of Kinana -here-
  (6) Muhammad and the Death of the Uraynians -here-
  (7) Muhammad and the Killing of Apostates -here-
  (8) Muhammad and the Meccan Ten -here-
  (9) Muhammad and the Treaty of Hudaybiyya -here-

Muslims have been murdering Muslims from the day Muhammad died.

Read further:

The Fruits of Islam's Royal Family

• a) Muhammad's Wealth -here-
  
  b) The New King -here-
  
  c) Uthman's Murder -here-
  
  d) Ali and Aisha -here-
  
  e) Ali and Mu'awiya -here-
  
  f) Husayn and Yazid -here-
  
  g) The Fruit of Islam Judged -here-

:o :o

 

[jhonjenkins]

Gary, your posts portray that you are the most ignorant person. Look at your posts! you define terrorism. The muslims arent the terrorists u prejudice. I will make my points but unfortunately I cannot make them here, because whatever I post they will just delete, so if you would like to have a real debate you atomic bomb dropper Iwould like to debate with you. Disclaimer, im not saying that all Americans are atomic bomb droppers, even im American, but im just saying that people like gary are terrorists, and his post define that.

Those links that you put up are incorrect and ridiculous. Its like me wanting to obtain information on george bush so I go to Osama bin laden , does that make sense? same with your post.

 

[Problematic]

Brutus/HisCatalyst:

These attacks were done in the name of Allah. Whether or not they are true muslims does not change the fact that they did this in the name of Allah, the muslim God.

It's so easy for a christian to to the same and say ( In the name of jesus )

makes no diffrence .

They say in the name of Allah ( Well Allah is not pleased with it )

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Gary

this is the same reply you gave me in the other post

 

[jhonjenkins]

Humans dont kill for no reason, example, Bush kills for oil, and those so called terrorist are killing for their land, and im not talking about saddam era, rather im talking about the resistence thats taking place today. Plus, who can judge a mercedes on the driver of the mercedes, for example, I have an s-500 and im a reckless driver does that mean that the mercedes is a bad car?

 

[Gary]

Humans dont kill for no reason, example, Bush kills for oil, and those so called terrorist are killing for their land, and im not talking about saddam era, rather im talking about the resistence thats taking place today. Plus, who can judge a mercedes on the driver of the mercedes, for example, I have an s-500 and im a reckless driver does that mean that the mercedes is a bad car?

Depends on what the s-500 is built for. IF it is built to kill people and if the owner's manual of the s-500 tells you to kill others on the road then the driver who kills with the s-500 is following the instructions of the builder of the s-500.

So by analogy, the "owners manual" of Islam says:

• Sura 9:1-6 (dissolve all treaties with those pagans who haven't kept them, giving them four months notice. But keep your treaties with other idol worshipers till the end of the time agreed upon. In the future, make no more treaties with pagans, but kill those who do not receive Islam)
  Sura 9:11,12,14,15 (Pagans who accept Islam become brother Muslims. Fight those who break their agreements. Allah will punish them by your hands)
  Sura 9:16 (Allah knows those who strive with all they have, and don't make friends with or seek protection from non-Muslims)
  Sura 9:19-22 (Jihad is greater than other service, and of the highest rank in the sight of Allah)
  Sura 9:25,26 (fighting in the battle of Hunain Jan. 31, 630)
  Sura 9:28 (forbid the pagans to enter the Ka’aba)
  Sura 9:29-31 (fight against Jews and Christians until they are subdued, because Allah's curse is on them)
  Sura 9:38,39,41 (don't avoid fighting, but fight with whatever you have. Otherwise Allah will punish you with serious punishment)
  Sura 9:52,73 (Muslims can expect either martyrdom/paradise or victory in battle. Unbelievers can expect only punishment from Allah. Fight hard against unbelievers, whose abode is hell)
  Sura 9:81-96 (those who are able but don't want to fight are rejected of Allah. Those unable are forgiven)
  Sura 9:111 (Allah gives Paradise to those who give all they have to Allah and slay and/or are slain in Jihad)
  Sura 9:122 (not everyone should go to fight, and those who stay are equal with those who go)
  Sura 9:123 (fight the unbelievers surrounding you)
  Sura 5:36-38 (death or torture to those who oppose the Apostle)
  Sura 5:54 (don't befriend Jews or Christians because they are unjust and unreliable)

Read more:
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/ji ... detail.htm

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What you have NOT explained jhonjenkins is why Muslims kill Muslims and other innocent men, women and children in Iraq, India, Afghanistan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Russia, Syria, Chechnya, Algeria, Mauritania, Lebanon, Philippines, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Somalia, Dagestan, UK (London)….. any ideas why Muslims do this?

:-? :-?

 

[Problematic]

Gary

Gary those ayat ( Quran verses ) you gave me .


Why do you post the Aya when you don't know the context ?

you will never know the context ever in your life if you go to these false sites of ignorant people who are ignorant of Islam .

thankyou .


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What you have NOT explained jhonjenkins is why Muslims kill Muslims and other innocent men, women and children in Iraq, India, Afghanistan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Russia, Syria, Chechnya, Algeria, Mauritania, Lebanon, Philippines, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Somalia, Dagestan, UK (London)….. any ideas why Muslims do this?

I will tell you why my friend .

MY friend have you ever read or heard about the Khawarijs

The Khawarijs were muslims from the days of Mohammad on him peace and they used to say In The Name Of Allah

one of them even came in once and faced Mohammad with verses of the Holy Quran and said to Mohammad : Be just for you are not just .

this Khawarij person translated the Quran in his own veiw and went on what the Quran said only and not words of Mohammad .

and these terrorist attacks are Saying In the name of Allah and claim they are Muslims and in the name of the Quran

my Friend all us muslim in syria, Saudi arabia, pakistan, Iraq and rest call these terrorist's

Khawarijs

For they are truely Khawarijs as the same ones who killed the muslims after the prophets death.

The prophet spoke of them and he said they say

Allah is one .

but Mohammad also said:

The Khawarijs are the dogs of hell fire

I hope you understand .


They are terrorists and i am agaisnt them and if i meet one i will kill him my self

because Mohammad said it's a good thing to kill a Khawarij .

who are these TERRORISTS

 

[Gary]

Sahih Bukhari 5.358

Narrated Jubair bin Mut'im:

... Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab: When the first civil strife (in Islam) took place because of the murder of 'Uthman, it left none of the Badr warriors alive. When the second civil strife, that is the battle of Al-Harra, took place, it left none of the Hudaibiya treaty companions alive. Then the third civil strife took place and it did not subside till it had exhausted all the strength of the people.

Nothing has changed in 1400 years

:o

 

[Gary]

So which Quran did the Khawarijs follow?

If Muhammad killed, why could they also not kill?

Was Ali also a Khawarijs? He killed many people, including other Muslims.

:-?

 

[Problematic]

Gary

Gary:

So which Quran did the Khawarijs follow?

There is only 1 Quran, they used it in the way they wanted and they translated it by their own veiw.

thats why they are Bad and going to hell.

Gary:

Was Ali also a Khawarijs?

No he was not a khawarij.

he was on the right path all his life and the war he fought with the muslims was not intentionally .

there were political misunderstanding .

the team that fought agaisnt ali was mistaken but God does not punish people who make mistakes and repent after .

so it wasn't intentionally.

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And the ones who killed Othman are the khawarij


they killed him while he was reading the Holy Quran .

before the night of his death he had a dream .

he saw the Prophet , Abu Bakr and omar eating and he came to eat with them and the prophet said no, you fast the day and you will breakyour fast with us .

and before maghrib time which is the time of breaking the fast for muslims in ramadan or anyother day he was reading Quran suddelny one of the khawarij came in and injured his wife and killed him .

so his dream came true .

and.

The Khawarij use the Quranic verses without using the context .

they just read anyword and say the words said like this and they dont give any explanation .

and the only one who explains the Quran is Prophet mohammad.

and he tought us