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The religion of peace.... Islam?

Killing them is a small matter to us...

Tabari IX:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us.â€Â

CAIR leader convicted on terror charges
Founding board member of Texas chapter funded Hamas

By Art Moore
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
April 14, 2005

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FBI agents arrest Ghassan Elashi and brothers in 2002.

A founder of the Texas chapter of a highly influential U.S. Islamic lobby group was found guilty of supporting terrorism.

Ghassan Elashi, along with two brothers, was convicted in Dallas yesterday of channeling funds to a high-ranking official of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, Mousa Abu Marzook.

Elashi was a board member of the Texas chapter of the Washington, D.C.-based Council on American Islamic Relations -- the third CAIR figure to be convicted on federal terrorism charges since 9-11.

CAIR is a spin-off of the Richardson, Texas-based Islamic Association For Palestine, or IAP, which was founded by Marzook.

Former FBI counterterrorism chief Oliver Revell has called the IAF "a front organization for Hamas that engages in propaganda for Islamic militants."

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Jesus said that "by their fruits you will know them."

Muhammad's "fruits" are rotten.

:o
 
WAR MADE A PROFIT

  • “Prepare against them whatever arms and cavalry you can muster,
    that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah.â€Â

    “Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.â€Â
Coveting what belonged to others, Muhammad gave us another glimpse into his soul. Tabari VII:26 “When the Prophet came to Yathrib he saw the Jews fasting on Ashura day. He questioned them, and they told him that it was the day upon which God drowned Pharaoh and saved Moses from the Egyptians. He said, ‘We have a better right to Moses than you do.’ He fasted and ordered his fellow Muslims to fast with him. When the fast of Ramadhan was prescribed, he made Ashura optional.â€Â

The Bible’s Messianic messageâ€â€past, present, and futureâ€â€revolves around the Seven Festivals of Yahweh. When the pretend-Messiah asked the Jews why they were fasting, Muhammad proved he was a phony. What’s more, he got it wrong. There is only one fast on the Jewish religious calendar, Yom Kippurâ€â€known as the Day of Atonement. But it’s celebrated in the fall, and it has nothing to do with Pharaoh. The spring Feast of Passover commemorates freedom from Egyptian bondage. And it took the Jews more like six days, not six months, to elude his army.

When Muhammad said that he had a better right to Moses than did the Jews, his counterfeit religion became as obvious as a pink six-dollar bill with a turbaned president. Needing to corrupt all things Biblical to please his dark spirit, Muhammad told his fellow terrorists that they should take a break from raiding civilians. But it wouldn’t last. Stealing a ritual was insufficient. Muhammad needed to own everything the Jews possessed and held sacred.

In actuality, both Ashura and Ramadhan honor false gods. The spring fast being erroneously observed was “Crying for Tammuz,†a legacy of Jewish captivity. It honors the Babylonian sun god. Catholic Lent is derived from the same rite. And Muhammad reestablished the pagan Tahannuth fasts of Ramadhan saying that they commemorated his wrestling match with the cave spirit.

Returning to Muhammad’s scheme: Tabari VII:26 “In this year Muhammad ordered people to pay the zakat tax. It is said that the Prophet commanded them to do this.†Allah and Muhammad spoke with one voice. Paying the zakat became an order and then a pillar. The political manifesto was ushered in with these words: Ishaq:235 “When the Apostle was settled in Medina and his comrades were gathered to him, the affairs of the workers were arranged, and Islam became firmly established. Prayer was instituted [the prostration was the sign of his power], the zakat tax was prescribed [dictators thrive on money], legal punishments were fixed, as were all things permitted and forbidden [as a confirmation of the tyrant’s supreme authority].â€Â

A benevolent dictator, however, he was not. “When Allah’s Apostle came to Medina it was the most fever-infested place on earth. It smote Muslims to such a degree they could only pray sitting. Muhammad came out when they were praying thus and said, ‘Know that the prostration of the sitter is only half as valuable as that of the stander.’ The Muslims painfully struggled to their feet despite their weakness, seeking a blessing.â€Â
  • This is followed by: “Then the Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah’s command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight.†Fighting was such an essential part of Islam’s formation that Tabari devoted the next sixty pages to a single conflictâ€â€the Battle of Badr. It gets five times more attention than Abraham’s pilgrimage to the Ka’abaâ€â€the establishment of Islam. It gets ten times more ink that the first revelationâ€â€Muhammad’s call to prophethood. It garners twenty times more coverage than Muhammad’s migration to Yathribâ€â€the Hijrah that instigated the Islamic Era. How is it that a battle became the centerpiece of a religion?
The initial salvo of the battle to resurrect Islam nearly crucified it. We are told that Muhammad led his militants on a terrorist raid designed to rob another caravan in of all months, Ramadhan. Tabari VII:26 “In this year the great battle of Badr took place between the Messenger of Allah and the Quraysh Unbelievers in the month of Ramadhan.†Since fasting was required in the sacred month, since the observance of Ramadhan was a religious obligation, a pillar of Islam, why were the first Muslims and their prophet on the prowl during their most holy time? Do you suppose money was more important than piety?

At Badr, Muhammad was the aggressor, just as he was on seventy-three of his seventy-five raids. The prophet got to choose the time, place, and victim. So he elected to terrorize money-laden civilians during Ramadhan. Reason would thus dictate that the “prophet†had discarded his original calling and become a pirate.

As you contemplate what motivated Islam’s bad boy, consider this: Tabari VII:28 “Abd al-Rahman said, ‘Muhammad celebrated the night of 17 Ramadhan. In the morning traces of sleeplessness would be on his face. He would say, “On this morning Allah distinguished between truth and falsehood, revealing the Qur’an. On this morning he made Islam mighty, humbling the leaders of unbelief at Badr.â€Â’†Submission was made mighty because the Quraysh were humbled. Allah distinguished between truth and falsehood by having Muslim militants murder Meccan merchants.

But violence isn’t cheap. Like today’s terrorists, the first Muslims needed money. Tabari VII:29 “The Apostle heard that Abu Sufyan [a Meccan merchant] was coming from Syria with a large Quraysh caravan containing their money and their merchandise. He was accompanied by only thirty men.†The Meccans were going about their lives, working to make a living, something Muslims were unwilling to do. So Islam was about to rob them.

“This was after fighting had broken out between them, and people had been killed and taken captive at Nakhlah.†If you were reading this out of context you might assume that these parties were in a state of war, and that both were to blame for escalating hostilities. But you know better, because the Islamic Hadith has shown that only the Muslims were militants. They had set out on a dozen terrorist raids. They had ventured out as far as two hundred miles to rob Meccan civilians. They were the sole perpetrators, having killed the Meccan, Hadrami, in cold blood. They kidnapped his companions and held them for ransom.

Ever inclined to put the best possible spin on their violent beginnings, the first Muslims claimed: Tabari VII:29 “This incident had provoked a state of war between the Prophet and the Quraysh and was the beginning of the fighting in which they inflicted casualties upon one another.†In other words, before the Islamic raid, there was no fighting. Not a single Muslim had been killed. In fact there were no armies. The Muslims had raidersâ€â€terrorists, in our parlance. The Meccans had merchantsâ€â€businessmen, in today’s vernacular.

But if pirates are shady entrepreneurs, Muhammad was a businessman, par excellence. “Allah divided the booty stolen from the first caravan after he made spoils permissible. He gave four-fifths to those He had allowed to take it and one-fifth to His Apostle.†Not one to miss another opportunity: “Muhammad summoned the Muslims and said, ‘This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey.†These lines forever damn Islam’s pretense of religiosity. They bear repeating: “This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey.â€Â

The motivation was piracyâ€â€not religion. The historian reports: Tabari VII:29 “Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allah’s Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty.†These armed raiders wanted to steal assets and kidnap folks. Since the prophet’s sole motivation was piracy, not piety, Islam cannot be a religion. And if it is, we need to canonize Black Beard and call him a prophet.

The very fact the first adherents of this perverse doctrine recorded this stunning admission of guilt reminds me of the Nazis and the way they chronicled their atrocities in World War II. Immoral, hateful, and violent doctrines like Islam and Nazism corrode men’s minds and consciences to the point they become unable to differentiate right from wrong. Ridding the world of those they view as inferior, stealing their possessions, becomes part of their mission and thus becomes goodâ€â€deeds worthy of heroic lore and scripture.

As further proof that the Badr raid was an act of terrorism, another Hadith reports: Bukhari:V5B59N702 “Allah did not admonish anyone who had not participated in the Ghazwa [raid] of Badr, for in fact, Allah’ Apostle had only gone out in search of the Quraysh caravan so that he could rob it. But Allah arranged for the Muslims and their enemy to meet by surprise. I was at the Aqabah pledge with Allah’s Apostle when we gave our lives in submission, but the Badr battle is more popular amongst the people. I was never stronger or wealthier than I was when I followed the Prophet on a Ghazwa.’†That pretty much sums up Islam.

Source -here-

:o :o

Jesus said we would be able to expose false prophets "by their fruits."

The "fruits" of Muhammad are rotten.

:-?
 
Orthodox Christian said:
Muhsen said:
[quote="Orthodox Christian":02188]
060.008
YUSUFALI: Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

Here's my problem with this: it seems reasonable to be kind with those who have shown you kindness. It also seems not at all divine, but simply reasonable. It seems to be something that even the wicked can do, and often will.

The message of Christ is a great deal more demanding, and divine:
[quote:02188]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Do not even the sinners do so? This Surah is reasonable, but it does not seem to me to be divine. The perfect law of Christ is divine, and monumentally difficult.

This perfect law also is powerful and world-changing. Showing kindness only to those whom are kind to you does not change the world, it keeps the status quo.

Iakovos

Edit: Some of my Christian brethren would be well advised to take heed to these words of Christ, and to pray for their 'enemy,' rather than squabble with them.

There are many verses in the bible, show X-Rated Pornography
Such as (Song of Songs 8:8) , (Song of Songs 8:10) …..
And (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)……and a lot of other verses….
I would suggest you read those verses daily to your children if you have any, seeing that there is nothing wrong with them, Read about Incest and Rape and all other absurdities too.LOL

Do you think these verses seem to you to be divine? Which are reasonable and divine?
These or that verses !!!1
“060.008 YUSUFALI: Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.â€Â[/quote:02188]
You have not, herein, responded to my point at all, but rather attempted to malign the Hebrew scriptures.

It is interesting that you find the Song of Solomon 'pornographic.' It is poetry between a bride and husband. The Greek term pornography means to highlight or portray prostitution. To some people, marriage is prostitution. To some of us, it is a Holy Mystery that speaks of Christ and the Church. To some of us, romance between a man and wife is something sacred, not shameful;something divine, not illicit.

But you digress. I have spoken to the verse- perhaps if you are too inclined to maligning Hebrew scripture, another Muslim brother can respond to my counterpoint without engaging in deflection and prurient digressions.[/quote:02188]

I post that because you claim that verse in Quran is not divine you told it’s reasonable but it is not divine, so I gave you an example from the bible show X-Rated Pornography Which is neither reasonable nor divine its not supposed to be God’s word, even between wife and husband. So you consider the X-Rated Pornography is divine God’s word and that verse not God’s word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Another week from the "Religion of Peace"...

5/2/05 India Harni The Mujahideen attack a security patrol, killing one personnel.

5/2/05 Afghanistan Shah Wali Kot Taliban fundamentalists kill two police officers with a terrorist bomb.

5/2/05 Iraq Mosul Twenty-three Iraqis, including children are killed in eight car bombings by Muslim extremists. More than fifty are badly injured.

5/1/05 Iraq Baghdad A Jihad car bomb kills four civilians and injures another five.

5/1/05 Iraq Baghdad Iraqi policemen are shot to death by al-Qaeda operatives at a checkpoint.

5/1/05 Iraq Tal Afar A Kurdish funeral is the target of a suicidal religious fanatic, who kills at least twenty-five others and injures about fifty mourners.

5/1/05 Israel Tzieda Islamic Jihad kills a 21-year-old Israeli soldier.

4/30/05 Egypt Cairo Two women in veils stage a shooting attack on a tour bus. They are the only fatalities, but nine innocents are injured.

4/30/05 Iraq Baghdad A series of five bombings kills at least eleven and injures dozens.

4/29/05 Iraq Baghdad Seven separate suicide bombings by Muslim extremists leave more than forty people dead and at least one-hundred and twenty injured. Women and children are among the victims.

4/29/05 Russia Nalchik One Russian cop is killed by Islamic militants.

4/28/05 Algeria Sidi Daoud Algerian fundamentalists kill two soldiers in a terror bombing.

4/27/05 India Pahalgam The Mujahideen abduct and murder an Indian school teacher.

4/27/05 Iraq Najaf Shiite cleric gunned down on his way to work.

4/26/05 Afghanistan Dishu Four police officers are killed in an ambush by Taliban terrorists on their convoy.

:o

Jesus said we would know false prophets "by their fruits."

The "fruits" of Muhammad are rotten!

:-?
 
... another few days of Islamic "peace"

5/5/05 Iraq Baghdad Three separate attacks, including another suicide bomber at a recruitment station, leave twenty-two Iraqis dead and at least that many injured.

5/5/05 India Udhampur Mujahideen militants lob a grenade then open fire on a Hindu wedding party, killing two teenage girls (ages 15 and 17) and injuriing twenty-two others.

5/4/05 Iraq Erbil A Fedayeen suicide bomber walks into a crowd of Iraqi civilians standing in line to apply for jobs with the police and detonates his explosives, killing sixty and injuring about three times that number.

5/3/05 India Pattan A political figure is assassinated by the Mujahideen, along with three civilians and a police officer.

5/3/05 India Pulwama Fourteen people are injured when an Islamic terrorist lobs a grenade into the road near a bus stop.

:evil: <--- the "spirit" of Muhammad lives on
 
TheStudent said:
gary,
are you islamaphobic?

i can give you a million and one examples of brutality carried out by chrisitans but do i? no. just as the crusades were carried out by evil minds, so was the work of these people. because they scream 'allahuakbar' does that mean they follow in the footsteps of muhammed? no. there are STRICT laws of war and punishment. if what you have written is truem then they have OBVIOUSLY transgressed the law. think twice before you post.

also im dure you have been told before, muslims do not accept the words of Ishaq as being truthful! how hard is that for you to understand? you are only proving your IGNORANCE by continuing to post hadith written by him.

the moderators on this board need to squash this biased, propagandist hate. we are here to discuss, not to hate.

The huge difference that you fail to see is that Christians who kill are disobeying Jesus. But Muslims who kill are obeying allah which is what makes them so dangerous. The single greatest threat in the world today are Muslim terrorists. And they cannot be stopped because they were prophesied to live in hostility with their neighbors. That has sure shown to be true! And it will continue to be true until the day the Lord returns.
 
I have no hate in my heart for Muslims, only pity, which is why I'm here witnessing to them so they will have eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. :angel: Hate is when people could care less whether someone goes to hell. ;-)
 
the greatest single threat is the Devil. it is him that is teaching and spreading hate amongst man.

it is people like bush who is taking oil from the muslims with one hand then dropping bombs on them with the other. it is people like tony blair who is supplying arms to isreal. it is people like chirac who is stopping muslim schoolchildren from wearing their hijabs.

it it people such as yourself who claim to have 'pity' when really all you aim to do is prove your superiority. do not try to prove your faith by belittleing others. prove you faith by promoting its virtues. is that not what jesus did? how quick you are to becoming a hypocrite.
 
TheStudent said:
it is people like chirac who is stopping muslim schoolchildren from wearing their hijabs.


Whether or not we agree with that, the same rule was applied to everyone. Islam is far more oppressive, and the oppression is aimed at non-Muslim religion.


When you sort that out, then you can complain about what France does.
 
Gary_Bee

Do you know of any online versions of Tabari and Ishaq biographies of Muhammad?

Kind Regards,
Farside
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farside said:
Gary_Bee

Do you know of any online versions of Tabari and Ishaq biographies of Muhammad?

Kind Regards,
Farside
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Nope. Sorry!

One of the best places to find quotes from Tabari and Ishaq is from Craig Winn's site....

http://www.prophetofdoom.net

The book is there to read: http://www.prophetofdoom.net/toc.html

At the bottom of that page are links to quotes by topic:
Enjoy!

Kind regards
Gary
 
divinenames,
what you think is 'oppresion' is REALLY freeing Muslims from the magnetic grip of this evil world.

Muslims dont live for this world.

REAL muslims DESPISE and HATE this world.

This world is not REAL. God is The Real. it is to Him that we focus our attention on.

so please, enjoy this world if you wish but remember that shaitan is your enemy. and remember that shaitan is very subtle in his work.

so what you call 'oppresive' is really FREEDOM, if only you knew.

praying 5 times a day cleans your soul, just as a man bathing fives times a day cleans your skin.

abstaining from alcohol and gambling keeps you FREE from many social and physical evils.

a woman covering her body protects and FREES her from the unwanted attention of unwanted people. a muslim woman respects herself and her husband enough to WANT to protect herself this way. ask yourself, why does a Nun cover her body?

a muslim does not strive for material wealth. we are only passers by on thie earth. we are FREE of the responsibilites and TRAPPINGS that come with wealth and the pursuit of wealth. this is why in the home of muhammed,pbuh, you would only find a sheepkin rug and a bowl to eat from. in the properous times, his wives would COMPLAIN to him because they never had anything whilst the majority of the muslim community were living more comfortably, such was his disregard for comfort and wealth. muhammad had such a disregard for wealth that he would give away ALL money every evening after prayers.

we fast once a year to FREE us of the grip and evils of gluttony and the stomach as well as allowing us to focus more on Allah.

we seek refuge in Allah to FREE us from the evil ways of Shaitan.
 
Science of The Soul

On the Entrances of Satan Into the Hearts of Humanity

The means by which Satan enters into the human heart is through the blameworthy qualities (sifaat al-madhmuuma), which are innumerous. However, we will mention here twelve of these fundamental traits.

Unjust Anger (al-ghaddab)
The first of the means that Satan enters into the hearts of humanity is through unjust anger. For whoever becomes angry and acts upon his anger, Satan enters his heart and plays and amuses himself with him.

Corrupt Passions (as-shahwa)
The second means by which Satan enters into the hearts of humanity is through corrupt passions. Whoever follows after his corrupt passions, Satan then enters upon his heart and makes these passions seem fair seeming to him until the person is eventually destroyed.

Satiation (as-shabi`u)
The third means by which Satan enters into the hearts of humanity is through over eating to the point of satiation. This is among the key entrances of Satan into the heart by which he fortifies and strengthens the corrupt passions, which are the sole weapons of Satan.

The Love of Adornment (hubb at-tazyeen)
The fourth means by which Satan enters into the hearts of humanity is trough the love of adornment with beautiful clothing, gorgeous homes, and luxuriant mounts. For when Satan sees the love of adornment in the heart, he enters it and utilizes this love for adornment and germinates this in the heart and continuously extorts it until the person is preoccupied with self-beautification the entire period of his life. And since some human needs are naturally depended upon others to flow, thus, the need for beautification and adornment never ceases to desist until the death of humanity.

Covetousness (at-tam`u)
The fifth means by which Satan enters the human heart is through covetousness for what humans possess. The one who is overcome by covetousness, Satan persist in causing the person to smooth things out for the one whom he covets and to embellish himself to him by means of showing-off and fraudulent behavior until the thing which he covets become like something which is worshiped. He persist in exaggerating his love for the person with false praise with what the person is undeserving and sycophancy, until he fails to command the person to what is right and forbid him from indecency.

Haste (al-`ujla)
The six means by which Satan enters the human heart is through haste and rushing into every affair, which occur to the mind without giving researched insight into it. For Satan enters into the heart when he sees this and says to him, ‘There is no doubt that the affair that you desire is correct.’ He prevents him from pausing in his affairs until the person is eventually destroyed in it.

Excessive Wealth (al-maal alladhi zaada `ala ad-daruura)
The seventh means by which Satan enters the human heart is through wealth, which is in excess of what is necessary. By means of this, Satan enters the heart of a person and whispers to him about his needs until he becomes forever preoccupied with gathering needless wealth until he dies. His likeness is like a person who possess the sufficient amount of provision and whose heart is free from anxiety being independent of people. Then he comes upon one hundred additional golden coins, for example, then Satan caste into his heart one hundred different passions, each passion leading to one hundred different others passions. Thus, the money that he has come upon proves insufficient for all his invented needs. His heart then becomes confused with all types of thoughts about these ‘needs’ until he falls into many passions and eventually falls into Hell.

Stinginess (al-bukhl)
The eighth means by which Satan enters the hearts of humanity is through stinginess. When Satan sees that a person’s heart is overcome by stinginess, he cultivates in his heart the fear of poverty and induces him to hold fast to withholding expending money on others and giving charity. Satan then tempts him due to fear of poverty to begin hoarding wealth and he finally begins to have an evil opinion of his Lord.

Fanaticism (at-ta`assub)
The ninth means by which Satan enters the heart of humanity is through fanaticism. When Satan sees that fanaticism is dynamic in the heart, he moves in him the desire to be victorious over his adversaries without resulting to the truth. Satan then beautifies this fanaticism in the heart until it leads him towards hatred and envy.

Having An Evil Opinion of Muslims (su’u ad-dhan bi’l-muslimeen)
The tenth means by which Satan enters the heart of humanity is through having an evil opinion of the Muslims. Due to this, Satan enters the heart and causes the person to fall headlong into five subsequent traits: [1] making slander of Muslims, [2] being deficient with regard their rights, [3] procrastinating in showing respect towards them, [4] looking on them with pure disdain; and [5] seeing himself better than them.

Love for Rank (hubb ‘l-jaah)
The eleventh means by which Satan enters the heart of humanity is through love for rank. When Satan sees this destructive trait in the heart he cultivates in it innumerous detestable personality traits and guides him to self-deception until he is eventually destroyed. The person erroneously thinks that he is among the redeemed and there is none like him. Satan then cultivates in his heart the need to be preoccupied with giving lectures to people. Then by means of this self-deception, Satan causes him to be ostentatious by eloquently beautifying his words for the people, by falsely manifesting his desire for good for all the Muslims. Satan says to him, ‘If you do not perfect you expressions for them then your words will plunge in the hearts of the people and they will not be guided to the truth.’ Satan thus, urges him to showing-off and love for people’s acceptance based upon what he says. He thus takes pride in his numerous followers and other destructive traits.

Arrogance (al-kibr)
The twelfth means by which Satan enters the heart of humanity in through arrogance. It is among the most immense of the destructive blameworthy traits. The abhorrence of arrogance is not hidden from anyone. May Allah protect us from it.
The outcome is that every blameworthy trait is an entranceway for Satan (mudakhal as-shaytaan) into the heart of humanity. For this reason humanity should be on guard against all blameworthy traits and may Allah give you success and arriving at what is correct. If the gates of the city are open and the enemies are present and on the alert, there is no way the city can be defended except through three means: [1] watchful attentiveness (al-muraaqaba), [2] spiritual struggle (al-ijtihaad); and [3] seeking assistance with Allah (isti`aanatu billahi). There is no power or might except with Allah.
 
TheStudent said:
so what you call 'oppresive' is really FREEDOM, if only you knew.


Yeah right. Islam oppresses other religions.



"In Christian countries which are now multifaith, they demand tolerance for Islam, a tolerance which they notoriously deny to Christians, Jews and Hindus in their own 'house of Islam'. Religious freedom is fine when it permits Christians to become Muslims, but it would be a bad thing if it allowed Muslims to become Christians. At the centre of Catholic Christendom in Rome, a costly and lavish mosque was built with Saudi-Arabian money. In Riad, not even Christian crosses can be worn round the necks or on the clothing of Christian clergy..."

Jurgen Moltmann
 
TheStudent said:
a woman covering her body protects and FREES her from the unwanted attention of unwanted people. a muslim woman respects herself and her husband enough to WANT to protect herself this way.


If women wish to keep to Islamic dress requirements then that is fine. They should also be free not to do it.
 
'"In Christian countries '

please show me ONE christian country of today.

'In Riad, not even Christian crosses can be worn round the necks or on the clothing of Christian clergy...'

the Wahabi muslims that run saudi are EXTREMISTS. they believe that ALL religious symbolism is evil. these Wahabis have gone so far as to tear down the tombs of great MUSLIM figures of the past. they have built TOILETS over the home of the WIFE of Muhammed, Khadijah. they are EXTREMISTS! these are the same people that FORCE women to cover up. this is the same islam that is being pushed in afghanistan. you can not judge the islam muhmamed taught with what they preach there. the fact is a REAL muslimah will UNDERSTAND why she should cover and have no problem with it. look at the UK. women can wear what they like but they CHOOSE to wear the hijab. i know many that do and many that dont. its their choice.
Muhammed ALWAYS respected christianity and judaism.

please seperate the ORIGINAL islam with what these EXTREMISTS are teaching.
 
TheStudent said:
Muhammed ALWAYS respected christianity and judaism.

Not true! Muhammad was rejected by the Jews... so he MURDERED them. Muhammad was exposed as a false prophet of the true living God by Christians.... so he hurled insults at then and cursed them and said...

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (S 5:51)

That is hardly respect!

:o

Now consider the difference between Jesus and Muhammad.

JESUS: "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34. (Said while dying on the cross at Calvary after being betrayed and sentenced to die for no legitimate reason).

MUHAMMAD: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427 [Muhammad had been poisoned years earlier by a Jewish woman whose husband was killed by the Muslims and the poison had slowly worked its effect. He said this while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha].

:o
 
MUHAMMAD: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427 [Muhammad had been poisoned years earlier by a Jewish woman whose husband was killed by the Muslims and the poison had slowly worked its effect. He said this while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha].

gary, use your sense. do you think muhammed was talking about ALL christians or jews, or just the ones that worshipped at the place of graves of the prophets?

gary tell me, were there ANY christians and jews that reverted to islam once they had heard of Muhammed? were there ANY of their religious leaders that did the same? seeing as you like qouting from hadith so much, please show me your honesty here
 
Some Jews became Muslims... yes, I remember a few cases. Muhammad and his men killed the men, raped their women and took the women as part of their plunder. The women were forced to become Muslims... they had few options as their men had already been murdered!

:o
 
... and Muhammad also said:

Umar said that that he heard Muhammad say that

"I shall expel all Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not allow any one here except Muslims."

Further, the Muhammad said

"There can be no more than one deen co-existing in the Arabian Peninsula" (that is, Hijaz and Najd).

hmmmmmm

Read more here:
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/xstnc-7.html

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