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The Removing Of 1 Of The 10 Commandments

Lewis

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Catholic Religion Purposely takes out
one of God's Ten Commandments

They shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

Isaiah 45:16

Catholics love images

Catholics bow down in front of statues and pray. They love to adore the host which is a piece of bread. They light candles and pray to the dead like it does some good. They also adore relics like a dead monk's head or a dead saint's finger. We also know that they gaze upon other "sacred" objects and images like pictures of a madonna and naked baby Jesus (salvation was accomplished by THE MAN Christ Jesus). Finally we know that they think that there is some benefit of having "a Jesus" hanging on the cross in their homes so they can visualize the object of their worship. Perhaps they think the crucifix is a good luck charm. They will vehemently tell you that they don't worship the images--I've seen a picture of the pope bowing down to Mary.

The Bible says don't even make images

Well, what doth the Bible say about worshipping images? It says much my friends but today we are looking specifically at the Ten Commandments found in Exodus chapter 20. Most of us know that the Ten Commandments prohibit even making images. This poses a problem for the Catholic religion. How does it get around this?

THE CATHOLIC RELIGION CHANGES THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT. PEOPLE KEEP MISSING IT.

Even their own perverted Bibles have something that approximates the commandment to not make images, but since their leaders tell them they are too spiritually dumb to understand the Bible, they don't read it (or read it with muddy eyeballs). And so, the wicked deceitfully change the ten commandments and PUT THEM IN A BOOK SOMEWHERE OR POST THEM ON A WALL AND TELL THE PEOPLE TO MEMORIZE THEM. Of course people are going to trust their almighty priests to tell them the truth (bad move).

How can they delete a commandment and still have ten?

Some man might ask me, "If the Catholic religion deletes a commandment how do they still come up with ten commandments?

Let's compare the Catholic ten commandments to the real ten commandments from the good ol' King James Bible, that pillar of doctrinal truth (God loves the truth, you know). The following list on the Catholic side is taken from a textbook used in a Catholic school. It is titled, "Growing in Christian Morality" by Julia Ahlers, Barbara Allaire, and Carl Koch, page 40. It has both nihil obstat and imprimatur which are official declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of Catholic doctrinal error. The authors of this book know these commandments are deceitful. Look at what they say:

...These are the Ten Commandments, from Exodus, chapter 20, in the traditional way they are enumerated by Catholics They did NOT use what THEIR NRSV said, they "enumerated" them the traditional way enumerated by Catholics.

I'll let you take a look first (see if you can figure out what they deleted) and then I'll explain...

The Catholic Deception* The King James Bible
First Commandment

I, the LORD, am your God...You shall not have other gods besides me.
First Commandment

I am the LORD thy God...Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Second Commandment

You shall not take the name of the LORD, your God, in vain.
Second Commandment

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.
Third Commandment

Remember to keep holy the sabbath day.
Third Commandment

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
Fourth Commandment

Honor your father and your mother.
Fourth Commandment

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Fifth Commandment

You shall not kill.
Fifth Commandment

Honor thy father and thy mother.
Sixth Commandment

You shall not commit adultery.
Sixth Commandment

Thou shalt not kill.
Seventh Commandment

You shall not steal.
Seventh Commandment

Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Eighth Commandment

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Eighth Commandment

Thou shalt not steal.
Ninth Commandment

You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
Ninth Commandment

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Tenth Commandment

You shall not covet your neighbor's house.
Tenth Commandment

Thou shalt not covet.

Did you see it?

The Catholic religion deletes the second commandment and makes the 10th commandment into two. If you follow them all the way down from the second commandment you'll see the Catholic religion is always one ahead of the King James. Finally at the tenth commandment they break it into two and make it the 9th and 10th commandments. What deception! What deceit! What guile! I tell no lies here--just get out the Bible and compare. They even corrupt their own Bible by deleting the 2nd commandment!

You see the reason the Catholic religion killed people with Bibles is 'cause their deception is just too easy to see in light of God's word. Just a little more mumbo-jumbo gumbo for your consideration...

*taken verbatim from, "Growing in Christian Morality" by Julia Ahlers, Barbara Allaire, and Carl Koch, page 40. It has both nihil obstat and imprimatur which are official declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of Catholic doctrinal error. The authors have used the NRSV--and they've even corrupted the corrupted!

What's worse is that the authors of this book know these commandments are deceitful. Look at what they say:

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/index.htm#rc
 
"thou shalt not make graven images" is part of the first Commandment: "thou shalt have no other gods besides me". What is a "graven image"? An "idol". What is an "idol"? A false god. Thus, a violation of the first commandment.
 
This may be helpful/insightful as well. It comes from the recently published "Compendium" (shorter form of the Catechism, in Q&A format, similar to previous Catechisms)

240. What is the purpose of holy images?
The image of Christ is the liturgical icon par excellence. Other images, representions of Our Lady and of the Saints, signify Christ who is glorified in them. They proclaim the same Gospel message that Sacred Scripture communicates by the word and they help to awaken and nourish the faith of believers.

Thus, images used in the Catholic Church are not idols. They are not "graven" images. They are merely visual reminders of Christ and the Gospel.
 
When God set down the directions for making the ark of the covenant what did He ask be put on top? Two angels, stautes. Therefore, by your arguments God violates Hid own commandment.
 
Oh, and as regards "splitting" the 10th Commandment... surely persons are different from objects? Persons have more dignity and value than do mere material possessions. Coveting a person, is far different from coveting an object. Property is different than persons, etc.
 
notapseudonym said:
When God set down the directions for making the ark of the covenant what did He ask be put on top? Two angels, stautes. Therefore, by your arguments God violates Hid own commandment.

God did not ask us to bow down to the ark. It housed the 10 Commandemtns. Yet there is a picture of Pope John Paul bowing down to a statue of Mary and kissing it. So the catholic church has much contempt for scripture.
 
Heidi said:
notapseudonym said:
When God set down the directions for making the ark of the covenant what did He ask be put on top? Two angels, stautes. Therefore, by your arguments God violates Hid own commandment.

God did not ask us to bow down to the ark. It housed the 10 Commandemtns. Yet there is a picture of Pope John Paul bowing down to a statue of Mary and kissing it. So the catholic church has much contempt for scripture.
It's custom in Japanese culture for people to bow in greeting... oh no! they must have "contempt for Scripture"!

It's custom in nearly every culture for family members, husbands/wives to kiss each other... oh no! they must all have "contempt for Scripture"!
 
It's custom in Japanese culture for people to bow in greeting... oh no! they must have "contempt for Scripture"!

It's custom in nearly every culture for family members, husbands/wives to kiss each other... oh no! they must all have "contempt for Scripture"!
HUH ?
 
Lewis W said:
It's custom in Japanese culture for people to bow in greeting... oh no! they must have "contempt for Scripture"!

It's custom in nearly every culture for family members, husbands/wives to kiss each other... oh no! they must all have "contempt for Scripture"!
HUH ?
Heidi equates "bowing" and "kissing" with worship. I was demonstrating that this is not so. "bowing" and "kissing" are signs of respect, not worship. That was all.
 
Lewis W said:
It's custom in Japanese culture for people to bow in greeting... oh no! they must have "contempt for Scripture"!

It's custom in nearly every culture for family members, husbands/wives to kiss each other... oh no! they must all have "contempt for Scripture"!
HUH ?

Sorry, but most of the Japanese are pagans. It is a pagan culture and they have pagan gods all over the place. There are very few Christians in Japan as their worshiping of objects show. You either believe the bible or you don't. It appears that you're on of the ones who don't. ;-)

And there's a huge difference between kissing people and erecting statues in their honor. I kiss my husband but I do not build a statue of him and worship it. People have cows also but they do not erect bronze cows as idols like God was angry at the Jews for. It appears that you have no clue what God means whatsoever.
 
Heidi said:
Lewis W said:
It's custom in Japanese culture for people to bow in greeting... oh no! they must have "contempt for Scripture"!

It's custom in nearly every culture for family members, husbands/wives to kiss each other... oh no! they must all have "contempt for Scripture"!
HUH ?

Sorry, but most of the Japanese are pagans. It is a pagan culture and they have pagan gods all over the place. There are very few Christians in Japan as their worshiping of objects show. You either believe the bible or you don't. It appears that you're on of the ones who don't. ;-)

And there's a huge difference between kissing people and erecting statues in their honor. I kiss my husband but I do not build a statue of him and worship it. People have cows also but they do not erect bronze cows as idols like God was angry at the Jews for. It appears that you have no clue what God means whatsoever.
You are the one creating "worship of statues". I can kiss an icon or statue without worshipping it. I can bow to an altar or statue out of reverence without worshipping it. Worship and respect are not the same thing.

Find me one Catholic document that exhorts Catholics to "worship statues". Just one.
 
CatholicXian said:
It's custom in Japanese culture for people to bow in greeting... oh no! they must have "contempt for Scripture"!

It's custom in nearly every culture for family members, husbands/wives to kiss each other... oh no! they must all have "contempt for Scripture"!

I think you are missing the point.

The Japanese bow to each other in greeting not worship. Them bowing is showing respect just as us shaking hands show respect when greeting or meeting someone.

Your second comment there is pure sarcasm.

Catholics bow to statues of mary and kiss her as a form of worship. And if that isnt worship then I believe flocking to a small town to pray to an image of Mary appearing in a grill cheese is somewhat of false idol worship.
 
The Catholic Church HAS made an idol of Mary whether denied or not.

But what concerns me more are the Christians who are critical of the RCC for having altered the commandments and yet have no qualms at all that the same Church they criticize was also responsible for implimenting the very day on which they worship (Sunday) to the exclusion of God's day. Christians really ARE a strange breed of people. :wink:
 
WMD said:
CatholicXian said:
It's custom in Japanese culture for people to bow in greeting... oh no! they must have "contempt for Scripture"!

It's custom in nearly every culture for family members, husbands/wives to kiss each other... oh no! they must all have "contempt for Scripture"!

I think you are missing the point.

The Japanese bow to each other in greeting not worship. Them bowing is showing respect just as us shaking hands show respect when greeting or meeting someone.

Your second comment there is pure sarcasm.

Catholics bow to statues of mary and kiss her as a form of worship. And if that isnt worship then I believe flocking to a small town to pray to an image of Mary appearing in a grill cheese is somewhat of false idol worship.

And who do the Japanes whorship as a God? :o The emperor, for one, which is precisely why they bow to people. :)

Then please tell us what the second commandment means, what Leviticus 26:1 means and what Romans 1:23 means. Thank you. :)
 
WMD said:
CatholicXian said:
It's custom in Japanese culture for people to bow in greeting... oh no! they must have "contempt for Scripture"!

It's custom in nearly every culture for family members, husbands/wives to kiss each other... oh no! they must all have "contempt for Scripture"!

I think you are missing the point.

The Japanese bow to each other in greeting not worship. Them bowing is showing respect just as us shaking hands show respect when greeting or meeting someone.

Your second comment there is pure sarcasm.

Catholics bow to statues of mary and kiss her as a form of worship. And if that isnt worship then I believe flocking to a small town to pray to an image of Mary appearing in a grill cheese is somewhat of false idol worship.
Again, like Heidi, you are the one inserting worship into the gesture. Bowing/kissing are not acts of worship (though, yes, they COULD be), but can you tell someone intention merely by glancing at a photo?

I bow to the altar out of respect for that which it reprents: the ultimate Sacrifice of Christ on the cross. Am I worshipping the altar? No.

I kiss the crucifix on my Rosary when I pray the Rosary... am I worshipping the crucifix? No, I am showing my respect and love of Christ, and gratitude for the prayers of the Rosary.


No serious Catholic would flock to a ridiculous image of Mary in something so trivial as grilled cheese. You will find "sightings" of that caliber are not taken seriously.


Nonetheless, you cannot see the heart of another to know whether they are committing idolatry by bowing/kissing a statue since these are not normally gestures of worship. You are reading much more into the practice than what is actually there.

Hearing you say that Catholics worship statues is just as absurd as me saying you worship your spouse when you kiss them. A kiss is not necessarily an act of worship.
 
Ok lets be honest here, the Catholics have always did their thing with graven images. Popes are even carried through the streets, along with graven images.
I can't remember the site with pictures of all these graven images.
 
Lewis W said:
Ok lets be honest here, the Catholics have always did their thing with graven images. Popes are even carried through the streets, along with graven images.
I can't remember the site with pictures of all these graven images.
You are defining them as graven. They are not idolatrous images. We do not treat them as God by showing respect. They do not take the place of God (nor could they even).
 
I don't wish to be disrespectful or condemning in any way but I am curious as to the difference between 'respect' for Mary and 'worship' of Jesus. There DOES seem to be an extremely thin line between the two.
 
SputnikBoy said:
I don't wish to be disrespectful or condemning in any way but I am curious as to the difference between 'respect' for Mary and 'worship' of Jesus. There DOES seem to be an extremely thin line between the two.
?
Jesus is God, Mary is not. I honor/respect/venerate her as the Mother of Christ, and the faith she demonstrated in the Gospels, but she is not God, I do not see her as God and I recognize that everything great about Mary is a grace from God-- I recognize God's work in her.

Christ... is God. "My Lord, and my God"... Savior, Redeemer, King, Source of Salvation, Bread of Life, etc., etc. He is my everything.
 
SputnikBoy said:
I don't wish to be disrespectful or condemning in any way but I am curious as to the difference between 'respect' for Mary and 'worship' of Jesus. There DOES seem to be an extremely thin line between the two.

There shouldn't be. Whatever good that Mary did came from the Holy Spirit in her, not from herself. And that's why Jesus said; "No one is good but God lone." He means "No one is good but God alone. Therefore, God gets the credit for the work he did in Mary, not Mary herself. But the catholics do not give God the credit, they give it to Mary instead. "He who exalts himself will be humbled."

Giving Mary and the saints the credit for the work they did is like me giving credit to me myself and I for what God has done for me. That is boasting, bragging, the sin of pride, deceit, and blasphemy. The catholic church worships people, not God.
 
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