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The resurrection

Larry H

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Where in the New Testament does it indicate Christians wereanticipating an expectation of a physical resurrection? To be brought back to life to live in an earthly sinless paradise. And does Revelation 21:1-4 providethe evidence needed to prove same?
 
I think the anticipation came after the death of Jesus, when he came back and visited his disciples. John 20:18-20 18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her. 19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. He brought back to life people/sinners, this is the good news for unbelievers.

I think Rev 21:1 is speaking about future prophecy about the earth that we currently live on and the Heaven in which Jesus now dwells will be renewed, but this is after we all die and are judged. The righteous who are met at the Bema seat will reign with Christ on the new earth. In order for people to dwell with Christ on the new earth, they would have to accept Jesus into their hearts before they die here on this old earth. Blessings.
 
Let me see if I understand the scenario. All humanity must die and stand before the judgment seat. Those who proved themselves favorable through the death of Christ return to the new earth. Does this include others for another chance, second chance, to accept Jesus? There will also be those who reign with Christ over the new earth.

Revelation 20:4 Isaw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimonyfor Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast orhis image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. Theycame to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 
Let me see if I understand the scenario. All humanity must die and stand before the judgment seat. Those who proved themselves favorable through the death of Christ return to the new earth. Does this include others for another chance, second chance, to accept Jesus? There will also be those who reign with Christ over the new earth.

Revelation 20:4 Isaw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimonyfor Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast orhis image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. Theycame to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Hi Before Time,

This is a concept that comes from the Old Testament even into the New, in Daniel 12 for example it speaks about the dead rising from the dust and some entering into eternal life and some awaking to eternal contempt. The a common understanding in Scripture was the creation of man, when Adam was created he was formed from the dust and then God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and then he became a living soul. When man died, his body returned to the dust and the breath that God gave is withdrawn and returns to God.

The Body we will be raised with, though it will be very similar to the one we lived with in this life, it will bear the image not of the man of dust.. the first Adam.. but rather the man of Heaven, Jesus Christ. When we see him, we will be like him, as he was when he was raised from the dead and ascended to heaven, the same body, yet clothed in glory and immortality.

In regards to whether or not people get a second chance, I do not believe so, in a court scenario today those guilty don't get a second chance to say they're sorry and repent. To come before the throne is to receive Justice for what was done in the body in this life, therefore what we choose now is most important.

Hope this helps,
Servant of Jesus
 
1 Corinthians 15 and Ephesians 1 are great Resurrection passages!
 
Let me see if I understand the scenario. All humanity must die and stand before the judgment seat. Those who proved themselves favorable through the death of Christ return to the new earth. Does this include others for another chance, second chance, to accept Jesus? There will also be those who reign with Christ over the new earth.

Revelation 20:4 Isaw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge.And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimonyfor Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast orhis image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. Theycame to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Hi Before Time,

This is a concept that comes from the Old Testament even into the New, in Daniel 12 for example it speaks about the dead rising from the dust and some entering into eternal life and some awaking to eternal contempt. The a common understanding in Scripture was the creation of man, when Adam was created he was formed from the dust and then God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and then he became a living soul. When man died, his body returned to the dust and the breath that God gave is withdrawn and returns to God.

The Body we will be raised with, though it will be very similar to the one we lived with in this life, it will bear the image not of the man of dust.. the first Adam.. but rather the man of Heaven, Jesus Christ. When we see him, we will be like him, as he was when he was raised from the dead and ascended to heaven, the same body, yet clothed in glory and immortality.

In regards to whether or not people get a second chance, I do not believe so, in a court scenario today those guilty don't get a second chance to say they're sorry and repent. To come before the throne is to receive Justice for what was done in the body in this life, therefore what we choose now is most important.

Hope this helps,
Servant of Jesus

Regarding a second chance, some have not received a first chance...

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

How many of those in China, four thousand years ago, have heard that name?
 
Regarding a second chance, some have not received a first chance...

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

How many of those in China, four thousand years ago, have heard that name?
Do you believe those who never heard get a chance at that point? I don't see anything in Scripture that warrants that personally, though again I don't think God tortures them forever if they didn't never heard.
 
Is this going to take place during or after the millennium, because after the millennium many will not appreciate their fate?

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison

8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth — Gog and Magog — to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the sea shore.

9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
 
Regarding a second chance, some have not received a first chance...

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

How many of those in China, four thousand years ago, have heard that name?
Do you believe those who never heard get a chance at that point? I don't see anything in Scripture that warrants that personally, though again I don't think God tortures them forever if they didn't never heard.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

There is a common misconception today that God is desparately trying to save everyone and the Devil is trying to send them to hell. This is the Great Controversy doctrine of the SDAs. It is a false doctrine as the above passage in Romans shows.

God views time much differently than we do and He has the luxury of resurrecting the dead to life again. This is something we cannot do, anyhoo, connect the above with a passage in Ezekiel...

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Eze 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Eze 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
Eze 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
Eze 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

This is a physical resurrection of a people who have not had an opportunity for salvation. Let's read carefully what does God say next...

Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

These are dead people, they have lived once, died and been buried. Have they had a chance at salvation? Remember what we read in Romans...

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

Not the first resurrection, that consists of those who are Christ's at His coming...

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

God says He will put His Spirit in them, the Holy Spirit, and they shall live. So we see this is not the resurrection to damnation...

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This is a resurrection to physical life...

Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Eze 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

But with the addition of the Holy Spirit, something ancient Israel never had...

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

And they did not. The did not enter the rest pictured in Hebrews 4, but they will have a chance to. This chance happens at the end of the Millenium.
 
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Now at the end of the Millenium comes this resurrection known as the Great White Throne Judgment...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Notice how this resurrection differs from the first resurrection? The first resurrection occurs at the return of Christ and it is composed of those who are Christ's at His coming. This one happens 1000 years later. Something else happens, remember how Israel was blinded? Look at verse twelve...

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

These books are different from the Book of Life. These are the books of the Bible that they were blinded to. The truth of God. They are judged out of those books, just like we are today. What is our source of understanding today? The Bible. That will be their source also. This also differs from the third resurrection...

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Note here that the books are not opened. These are the incorrigibly wicked who reject the chance they HAVE had for eternal life. For them, this is the resurrection to damnation...

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are three resurrections...

The first resurrection is the resurrection to life at the return of Christ for those whom God has called now.

The Second is a resurrection to physical life with the opportunity to choose life. A choice they never had before (think Chinese 4000 years ago and compare that to Acts 4:12)

Finally, there is a resurrection to the Lake of Fire for those who in full knowledge, have rejected Christ and chosen death.
 
Let me see if I understand the scenario. All humanity must die and stand before the judgment seat. Those who proved themselves favorable through the death of Christ return to the new earth. Does this include others for another chance, second chance, to accept Jesus? There will also be those who reign with Christ over the new earth.

Hi before time, yes all of humanity must die and be judged. When I say all of humanity, I'm obviously not talking about the righteous who are still alive that are taken up to rapture. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Even those righteous at rapture will be at the Bema first before the new earth. Yes, those who have accepted Christ into their hearts before they died will live with Christ on the new earth. No, you do not get a second chance to accept Christ after you die. Romans 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
 
Let me see if I understand the scenario. All humanity must die and stand before the judgment seat. Those who proved themselves favorable through the death of Christ return to the new earth. Does this include others for another chance, second chance, to accept Jesus? There will also be those who reign with Christ over the new earth.

Hi before time, yes all of humanity must die and be judged. When I say all of humanity, I'm obviously not talking about the righteous who are still alive that are taken up to rapture. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Even those righteous at rapture will be at the Bema first before the new earth. Yes, those who have accepted Christ into their hearts before they died will live with Christ on the new earth. No, you do not get a second chance to accept Christ after you die. Romans 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Hi urk

So there is no second chance salvation plan, and those who will have the privilege of living forever in a paradise earth will be sinless. However if one commits a sin he or she will parish by the hand of God. Nevertheless Jesus said if one thinks wrong it is a sin.

Matthew 5:28 But I tellyou that anyone who looks ata woman lustfully has already committed adulterywith her in his heart.

Is there a verse in the NT confirming this scenario? It’s obvious the righteous mentioned found forgiven by the grace of God. There virtue is by the blood of Christ. If those in paradise sin do they get a second chance through atonement in the same way? Does our Lord or the Apostle suggest this blessed hope?
 
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Hi urk

So there is no second chance salvation plan, and those who will have the privilege of living forever in a paradise earth will be sinless. However if one commits a sin he or she will parish by the hand of God. Nevertheless Jesus said if one thinks wrong it is a sin.

Matthew 5:28 But I tellyou that anyone who looks ata woman lustfully has already committed adulterywith her in his heart.

Is there a verse in the NT confirming this scenario? It’s obvious the righteous mentioned found forgiven by the grace of God. There virtue is by the blood of Christ. If those in paradise sin do they get a second chance through atonement in the same way? Does our Lord or the Apostle suggest this blessed hope?

Correct, there will be no second chance to accept Jesus into your heart AFTER you die, and your heart stops beating. The sins of born again christians are covered in the blood of Christ, their sins are no longer counted by God. John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! When we finally meet Jesus at the Bema seat, he will not judge our sins rather we will receive rewards or receive less rewards depending on how we served our time here on this old earth. Our sins are no longer counted because we have accepted Christ as our savior on this old earth by believing and confessing. Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. That doesn't mean keep sinning, no. It means go and sin no more for there is now no more condemnation for those in Christ. John 8:11 She said, “No one, Lord.†And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more. If we do sin, we must repent and return to God's will and he will direct our paths straight.

Paradise/Heaven/New Earth are the same place. These occur in the afterlife. In the afterlife, there will be no sin because the devil will no longer exist. He will be thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Again you MUST accept Christ into your heart on this old earth BEFORE you die to live with Christ AFTER you die.

The blessed hope that our Lord Jesus offers is that he wants you to know that he is ALIVE in heaven, and he wants you to repent of your sins fully and come to him because he loves you, giving your whole mind/body/soul/spirit to Jesus Christ. Holiness cannot dwell inside a body of an unbeliever. It's not a person's sin that keeps people from God, it's their unbelief in who Jesus Christ is.
 
Do you consider all sin comes from the devil, I don’t think so. For example Adam sinned before Satan’s interference. So many say when they sin, the devils made me do it. Aren’t we responsible for our own action? In paradise we, hopefully, will stand in the same place Adam did before he fell. Is it possible the only one who did not sin will be the Lord Jesus, past present or future?

Look what took place after the millennium, like the sands of the sea the deceived nations wanted to kill God’s children. That is those same people, the deceived, who lived through the thousand years during Satan’s binding. They were easy targets for the evil one.I think a spoon-feed environment, millennium, is a dangerous place to live in. Look what James said,

Consider it pure joy, mybrothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its workso that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. James 1:2-4

This stuff cannot be accomplished in a spoon-feed environment, a millennium without Satan’s hindrance. Experience is the only solution for a changed heart. Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the idea of the Devil around just being real, Paul said,

Romans 8:28 And we knowthat in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE.

Not only so, but we alsorejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. Romans 5:3

Bottom line is where in the NT does Jesus or the Apostle speaks of the sinless paradise earth for our future hope. Just trying to stay close to the word.

I would appreciate anyone’sinput
 
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[MENTION=95644]before time[/MENTION] I think all temptation comes from the devil, but committing the sin is up to us. We are responsible for our actions, for example we can be tempted but not commit the sin. Do not get temptation and sin mixed up. You're not understanding something here. This old earth and our current lifestyles will pass away. We will be under a new order of living, a new order that is without corruption. Rev 21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away. There will be no sin in the afterlife because death shall be no more. Sin is death, since there is no more death there is no more sin.

You're discussing things that happen when we're still alive on this old earth. I'm discussing things that will occur after you die and your heart stops beating. Please don't confuse this life with the afterlife. A sinless paradise earth is written in Rev 21:4. Blessings.
 
Hi urk

You, John 8:32, and Doulos Iesou have given me an understanding of your vision of the after life. I thank you brothers for presenting it in a respectable way. All the post were clear and well said. I’m new here, the bible says, where Christ is there is freedom.

But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 1 Peter 3:15

Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. Colossians 4:6

I will address some points on Revelation 21:1-4 since theyare the key verses in your understanding about the resurrection and mankind’sfate.
 
[MENTION=95644]before time[/MENTION] Anytime my friend. I love discerning scripture and diving into the Word. I love the scripture that you've posted, especially about gentleness. Blessings.
 
We are responsible for our actions, for example we can be tempted but not commit the sin.
Just a thought. Are "we" responsible for our actions or are we held responsible for our actions?
 
We are responsible for our actions, for example we can be tempted but not commit the sin.
Just a thought. Are "we" responsible for our actions or are we held responsible for our actions?

We are responsible for our own actions, and we are held responsible for the outcome. Matthew 25:29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
 
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