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Bible Study the resurrection

ezra

ezra

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what does the resurrection mean to you .
Romans 8
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you..

the pastor at the church we attend preached on knowing the truth this morning . one of the things that i am not crazy about is Easter egg hunts at Church . that is during the worship service maybe after Church or in our case we are having event for the kids this Saturday. strictly a day of fun for age groups up to 10. he did mention there was time Easter which is only used in acts and technically speaking was a pagan holiday.
i don't get all worked up over that.. back to what he mentioned there was a time it meant something to people special clothes . even those who normally do not attend church will come to services . lay aside the events connected . what is your thoughts .
 
the resurrection is complex .
Which resurrection ?
His
our from sin
or the one from the grave
 
Jesus' resurrection is the central element of our Christian faith. Without the redemptive nature of the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus, our faith would be worthless.


1 Corinthians 15:12-19
12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified of God that he raised Christ—whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. 17 If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have died in Christ have perished. 19 If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
 
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Brother ezra, my opinion.
In Christ we have been resurrected from the dead and given life.

In Him we are seated in the heavenlies.
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

As to resurrection there is also the resurrection of the those in Christ & those not in Him.
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
And these two shall be a thousand years apart. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
 
Eugene said:
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Brother ezra, my opinion.
In Christ we have been resurrected from the dead and given life.

In Him we are seated in the heavenlies.
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

As to resurrection there is also the resurrection of the those in Christ & those not in Him.
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
And these two shall be a thousand years apart. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
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i agree the cross is payment for our sins so we can be forgiven... the resurrection has so many benefits. the one that i think of is the resurrection spirit that makes it possible to have the new life and overcome the flesh
 
I believe the resurrection has as much 'weight' as His death. One without the other and our faith is futile. Sometimes we gloss over the death in view of the resurrection.

It's human nature. The people in Jesus day wanted a King - Messiah - but they bypassed what the Messiah was to be. That being the perfect sacrifice - death.

Don't get me wrong, the resurrection is crucial. I just see more emphasis placed on it than His death. Think about it. What's more amazing(not that one is greater than another) a God who lives, or a God who died for you?

I think we pass over the fact that He 'finished it' three days before the tomb was opened. :)
 
Nathan said:
I believe the resurrection has as much 'weight' as His death. One without the other and our faith is futile. Sometimes we gloss over the death in view of the resurrection.

It's human nature. The people in Jesus day wanted a King - Messiah - but they bypassed what the Messiah was to be. That being the perfect sacrifice - death.

Don't get me wrong, the resurrection is crucial. I just see more emphasis placed on it than His death. Think about it. What's more amazing(not that one is greater than another) a God who lives, or a God who died for you?

I think we pass over the fact that He 'finished it' three days before the tomb was opened. :)
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the resurrection gives us the spiritual birth ..but no way can you have a resurrection with a cross and the death leave one out and you have religion
 
ezra said:
i agree the cross is payment for our sins so we can be forgiven... the resurrection has so many benefits. the one that i think of is the resurrection spirit that makes it possible to have the new life and overcome the flesh
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(1) God always forgave the sins of those who confessed and repented.
Psa 32:1-35 A Psalm of David. A Maskil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the LORD imputes no iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no deceit.
When I declared not my sin, my body wasted away through my groaning all day long.
For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me; my strength was dried up as by the heat of summer. Selah
I acknowledged my sin to thee, and I did not hide my iniquity; I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD"; then thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin

(2) The cross was not a "payment" for our sins. Ro 6:23 says "the WAGES for sin is death" not "the debt incurred by sin is death".
God is not the author of death.
Sin is not a crime committed against God for which God imposes the death penalty.

God alone has life in Him. Life is a gift from God and we have eternal life by being united to Him.
Sin separates us from God and from life so that we die physically and spiritually.

Sin entered into humanity by the deceit of the devil who enticed Adam and Eve to sin and, because of sin, to die.
Originally, they were not supposed to die which is why God gave them free access to the Tree of Life, But when they sinned, and the their flesh was infested by sin, they were cut off from the tree of life so that they did not continue to sin forever.

(3) The His virgin Birth , His death on the cross AND the resurrection were the means by which God destroyed the work of Satan who unjustly entrapped mankind in sin and death.
- By His virgin birth as Jesus of Nazareth, God the Word united God to man thus establishing a "new Adam", a race of God bearing men.
- By His death, Jesus unjustly died because He had no sin but took on our sin to diet he death was had earned by our sins. (2Co 5:21)
- By His resurrection He defeated the power of the devil to enslave mankind to death and corruption. (the body returning to dust) (1 Cor 15:54-57)
- By our baptism we are buried with Christ into His death and raised to new life in Him. (Ro 6:3-4)
- By being baptized in the Holy Spirit we become God-bearing people, a new creation. ( 2Co 5:17) We become by grace a new race of God bearers who are like Jesus who is the firstborn God-bearing human being by nature; the first among many brethren. (Rom 8:29)

(4) God's plan for mankind was that we would grow in grace and wisdom and become immortal.
- Satan interrupted that plan by introducing mankind to sin.
- Jesus re-opened the way to immortality and eternal life through being united with Christ as His body and through being one flesh with Christ as His "bride." (Eph 5:31-32)
- Salvation is from death to life in Christ Jesus for anyone and everyone who will repent and believe the Gospel for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Within reach through faith) (Mark 1:15)

iakov the fool
 
Jim Parker said:
(2) The cross was not a "payment" for our sins. Ro 6:23 says "the WAGES for sin is death" not "the debt incurred by sin is death".
God is not the author of death.
Sin is not a crime committed against God for which God imposes the death penalty.
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very well you can believe how you want .jesus is our Passover lamb Isiah 53 wounded for our transgressions . with out the shedding of Blood there is no remission of sins. .the cross was the means of his sacrifice and his shedding of blood 2nd Corinthians 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
 
Paul said in the "Romans Road Verses"
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

We confess Jesus as LORD not just an abstract idea but "Lord of MY life". And that God raised Him from the dead, without the resurection there is no salvation, "Do we believe Jesus died and God Raised Him?" It is a requirement of our salvation.
 
Is redemption centered up in the Cross of Christ or the Resurrection of Christ?

Answer:

Redemption is centered up totally in the Cross of Christ. While everything else after the Cross, the Resurrection, Ascension, and Exaltation of Christ, played a tremendous part, and continues to play a tremendous part, the truth is, all of this is made possible, the Resurrection, Ascension and Exaltation of Christ, because of the Cross.

Victory = The Cross of Christ, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work

Pastor Jimmy Swaggart
 
Chopper said:
Hi Ezra, I love to remember the resurrection of Jesus the Son of God because I'm forgiven! Hey, I'm forgiven!! I'm forgiven!!! I'm forgiven!!!!

O LORD THANK YOU, I'M FORGIVEN.
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i had a conversation with a Jehovah witness saturday .i told him i celebrated the resurrection every day and forgiven is right amen
 
iLOVE said:
Is redemption centered up in the Cross of Christ or the Resurrection of Christ?

Answer:

Redemption is centered up totally in the Cross of Christ. While everything else after the Cross, the Resurrection, Ascension, and Exaltation of Christ, played a tremendous part, and continues to play a tremendous part, the truth is, all of this is made possible, the Resurrection, Ascension and Exaltation of Christ, because of the Cross.

Victory = The Cross of Christ, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work

Pastor Jimmy Swaggart
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yes how any one can say we can have forgiveness with out the cross is beyond me . to deny the cross is foolishness . there should be a serious bible study. certainly the cross by it self has no power. but with Christ it has lots power
 
Not all wanted him punished, there were many who believed and many who believed but were afraid to speak out, just like anything, its the authorities who make decisions.
 
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kiwidan said:
Not all wanted him punished, there were many who believed and many who believed but were afraid to speak out, just like anything, its the authorities who make decisions and the authorities who were there shouting 'crucify him'. There were probably more believers than non believers, many use the verse 'he come to his own but his own did not recieve him' as the excuse.

Its just like these days nations authorities bomb nations and all the citizens get hated on, just because of there authorities. Its total BS. 99.9% of the world just want peace.
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We should not ever be confused that it was God who gave Him up to be crucified. He used the hard hearts of the people to do it, but it was Gods will that He died.
 
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
ezra said:
very well you can believe how you want .jesus is our Passover lamb
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Amen!
Isiah 53 wounded for our transgressions .
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Amen!
with out the shedding of Blood there is no remission of sins.
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Amen!
.the cross was the means of his sacrifice and his shedding of blood 2nd Corinthians 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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Amen!
I believe all of that.
What I do NOT believe is:
(1) God is the author of death.
(2) Death is God's punishment for sin.
(3) Adam's sin was a crime against God's honor.
(4) All of mankind are guilty of Adam's sin.
(5) It was necessary Jesus died to satisfy divine justice.
All those concepts had their origin in the writings of Bishop Augustine of Hippo. They were further developed in the middle ages by the Scholastics of the Roman Church and laid out in detail in the tract "Cur Deus Homo" written by Archbishop Anselm of Canterbury in the early 12th century.

If you want to believe all that RCC doctrine, it's fine with me and I don't believe it will have any effect on your eternal life.


iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)


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