The Return of Christ

King David expressed this idea in Psalm 51:16, where he says: "You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings."

Similarly, in Psalm 40:6, he states: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but my ears You have opened. Burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not require."

David emphasizes that God values a humble and repentant heart more than ritual sacrifices. His words reflect a deeper spiritual truth—that true devotion comes from sincerity and inner transformation rather than external rituals.
Christ is the final sacrifice for the remission of our sins. The Temple animal sacrifices were only temporal being made at certain times during the year under the old covenant. The sacrifice of Christ with the shedding of His blood under a better covenant is the ultimate atonement for sin securing redemption for believers once and for all. Hebrews 10:1-29.
 
Christ is the final sacrifice for the remission of our sins.
So animals do not have to die for us? Is it just an object lesson plan? It is confusing because we are told there will be no more death, but death is so much a part of our world today. I have spiders and ants that get in the house, and I have to kill them, but I would rather not have to kill anything. Even people think they have to eat dead animals, and I do a little, but I try to avoid that, even though that is not always possible.

Revelation 21:4 is a powerful verse that speaks of a future without sorrow or pain:

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
Psalm 56:8, where David says:

"You keep track of all my sorrows. You have collected all my tears in your bottle. You have recorded each one in your book."
This conveys the idea that every sorrow, every pain, and every tear is seen and remembered by Him.
 
What we want is eternal life with Christ that will be forever.
This sounds very serious if we are to be His Bride. That is a very close relationship. I mean, I would be happy to be roommates with my wife, but she expects a lot more than that. Then we are told the Hebrew people are married to God the Father. As John the Baptist refers to himself as the friend of the Bridegroom in John 3:29.

I think this means he helps to arrange the marriage as my wife likes to arrange marriages for people.

So do we pray to God the Father or Jesus the Son? Does Jesus intercede for us in some way?
 
Perhaps people should vote on their HOA. In China there is only a one party system, but if there is someone they do not like they can still vote them out of office.
My wife has reminded me that a major increase of HOA cost is not the arbitrariness of groups who use their majority to win votes for their own projects. Rather, it's been the huge increase of insurance costs, caused by the destructive storms that have been costing billions of dollars. Before you buy into a condo I suggest you find some form of legal assurance that HOA fees cannot rise too quickly.
 
I do read and hear what you are saying as sometimes we agree and sometimes we disagree, which is alright as we are ever learning. One thing about me is that I will never argue the word of God with another and tell them flat out they are wrong, but like you and everyone else, I will always give my understanding within replying back whether we agree or not. Our common ground is that we are brothers and sisters in Christ through the Spiritual rebirth through Christ Jesus.

It's all good :)
Bless you! :) Amen and amen!
 
My wife has reminded me that a major increase of HOA cost is not the arbitrariness of groups who use their majority to win votes for their own projects. Rather, it's been the huge increase of insurance costs, caused by the destructive storms that have been costing billions of dollars. Before you buy into a condo I suggest you find some form of legal assurance that HOA fees cannot rise too quickly.
My mom had a condo in flordia that my aunt took over. They ended up selling it because of the high cost of repairs. A few people maybe effected by a storm but everyone had to pay. It was a nice community. My mom had lots of friends there. But my aunt was very investment conscious and it just was not a good investment for her.
 
My mom had a condo in flordia that my aunt took over. They ended up selling it because of the high cost of repairs. A few people maybe effected by a storm but everyone had to pay. It was a nice community. My mom had lots of friends there. But my aunt was very investment conscious and it just was not a good investment for her.
Yes, and recently an insurance agent informed us that even if the storms take place in the Deep South, insurance costs will go up across the country. Apparently, that's the way it works. I'm happy to hear your relatives are "investment" conscious. Too many folks have not been preparing for downturns in the economy, and get stuck living paycheck to paycheck.

Early in my Christian adulthood I was advised by TV personalities to take care to be self-sufficient, as much as possible, and try to remain somewhat debt-free--we do need debt to have money to invest at times. Over the long run not only do we obtain security money, but we also learn to take care with careless spending.

I'm not suggesting we become hoarders and misers, but if we don't build up our finances a little we won't be free to extend our witness to others--we will be too absorbed in just earning money and paying bills. Take care...
 
as much as possible, and try to remain somewhat debt-free
We are told God will make us the lender and not the borrower. Was it Larry Burkett that taught we are not to borrow. We are to trust God to provide what we need without going into debt.
 
We are told God will make us the lender and not the borrower. Was it Larry Burkett that taught we are not to borrow. We are to trust God to provide what we need without going into debt.
There are a lot of Christians who advised against remaining in debt. Some financial wizards, however, recommend using debt to obtain investment money, and make millions.

I have an in between position that leans towards getting out of debt. But I do think it takes money to make money--you'll probably have to borrow money to either buy a home or invest.

And yes, God promised to make us the head, and not the tail, if we follow His word. Actually, that promise was made to the nation Israel. But in principle, we will be blessed in some way if we are obedient to God.
 
you'll probably have to borrow money to either buy a home or invest.
When My dad died I sold his office and bought a house. The office would have been divided but I asked my brothers and sister to give it to me and they were glad to do that. I took care of both my parents when they got older. Everyone else was busy making money and did not have time to do anything for them.
 
When My dad died I sold his office and bought a house. The office would have been divided but I asked my brothers and sister to give it to me and they were glad to do that. I took care of both my parents when they got older. Everyone else was busy making money and did not have time to do anything for them.
Yes, it seems that on many occasions God selects the one sibling able and willing to care for the parents. In my family it was like this but a bit different.

My brothers and I were all equally responsible and willing, but took on different roles. My wife and I visited my surviving Mother for maybe 10 years on an almost weekly basis, while my brothers were busy with their own families, lives, and finances. They almost never visited my Mother.

But when she died the other brothers took up the legal cause, and completely eliminated us from the equation. I was better with money than they were, but they were very honest and dilligent under the law. We lost a lot of money on a care facility, because they wouldn't let us rent her house and wouldn't let us care for her in our own home. But they did manage things to a respectable end.

In many families, some feel marginalized, as we felt. But it works out respectably if you have a respectable family, with all members doing their job. Unfortunately, that is not always the case.

My wife's Mother was taken care of for a few years by her nieces, though the finances were already taken care of. When she died, the nieces took a larger chunk of the inheritance than was warranted, the Mother having changed her will on their behalf. It's not always fair, but people get taken care of, and life moves on.

In your situation I think things turned out well for you, if you were able to get a house from the office sale? You certainly deserved it, having taken care of your Dad. And I respect your siblings for letting you take the office.
 
In your situation I think things turned out well for you, if you were able to get a house from the office sale?
My dad had everything in a trust fund because of insurance issues. He lost privileges at one of the hospitals because he did not have insurance. My BIG mistake was giving his condo to his second wife after my mom died. So then when she died it went to her children. What I should have done was tell her we would give her an allowance and let her stay in the condo. But when she died it should have come back to us. As it turned out the gold digger daughter died from cancer within a year, so it did not go well with her. She never got to enjoy the condo she stole from us. But it was my fault for not getting the trust fund straighted out when he was still alive. We had to sign off on everything. Which turned out to be big mistake.

It is interesting how everyone has an issue with this and everyone has someone they think got more than their fair share. I use windows every now and then and MS has stories about this stuff on there. The different experiences people have dealing with money they inherit.

I have an agency that helps me with my investments and advises me on how to manage my money. They are well worth what they charge me in commissions.
 
My dad had everything in a trust fund because of insurance issues. He lost privileges at one of the hospitals because he did not have insurance. My BIG mistake was giving his condo to his second wife after my mom died. So then when she died it went to her children. What I should have done was tell her we would give her an allowance and let her stay in the condo. But when she died it should have come back to us. As it turned out the gold digger daughter died from cancer within a year, so it did not go well with her. She never got to enjoy the condo she stole from us. But it was my fault for not getting the trust fund straighted out when he was still alive. We had to sign off on everything. Which turned out to be big mistake.

It is interesting how everyone has an issue with this and everyone has someone they think got more than their fair share. I use windows every now and then and MS has stories about this stuff on there. The different experiences people have dealing with money they inherit.

I have an agency that helps me with my investments and advises me on how to manage my money. They are well worth what they charge me in commissions.
Funny, my wife and I were talking about trusts, etc. this morning. I really don't have down all of the legal terms yet, but I'm trying. We already have a lawyer for this.

And yes, there are stories. I click on a story about trusts and wills several times on my news page, and eventually I get a regular series of stories about them (AI). It helps. Nice talking with you. Take care....
 
In your situation I think things turned out well for you
My grandmother was always big on the story of the little boy who cried wolf. Because of that, I learned early not to ask for help unless I truly needed it—and the truth is, I rarely did. On the few occasions when I did reach out, they responded immediately and gave me what I ask for. And I was always there for them too. It was the James Taylor song about—all you have to do is call and I will be there.
 
My grandmother was always big on the story of the little boy who cried wolf. Because of that, I learned early not to ask for help unless I truly needed it—and the truth is, I rarely did. On the few occasions when I did reach out, they responded immediately and gave me what I ask for. And I was always there for them too. It was the James Taylor song about—all you have to do is call and I will be there.
If you were Jewish I would be happy to oblige you on any and all subjects. But when you claim to be a Christian and yet promote the Law of Moses, I have to draw a line. It is either Christianity or Judaism for me.

For what it's worth, the references to "swinging and missing" I took as a baseball term, and not as a form of violent rhetoric. I'm not hostile to you as a person. But I am emotionally invested in proper Christian theology, on behalf of those who need solid Christian doctrine.
 
It is either Christianity or Judaism for me.
So you reject the Old Testament? You do not accept it at all or you just have not put any effort into understanding where we get the Old Testament from.

Today's oral tradition connects to the Bible because the Bible itself grew from spoken stories, teachings (like Jesus' parables and Paul's creeds), and laws (like the Ten Commandments) passed down for generations before being written, making oral transmission the very foundation of the scriptures, and this living tradition continues as believers share stories, lessons, and faith today, just as ancient communities did to build identity and pass on truth

Studying Hebrew unlocks deeper biblical understanding by revealing nuances lost in translation, offering access to the original cultural context, and showcasing rich literary artistry (like wordplay and layered meanings) found in the Old Testament, allowing for more accurate interpretation of God's self-revelation and strengthening faith by connecting directly to the source texts. It provides direct access to Jewish thought, traditions, and the worldview that shaped biblical writers, moving beyond English idioms to grasp concepts like shalom (peace, wholeness, prosperity) in their full scope.
 
But when you claim to be a Christian and yet promote the Law of Moses,
Just so you know: John Wesley saw the Law of Moses as having three parts: ceremonial (for Israel's temporary use), civil (for Israel's society), and moral (the Ten Commandments and core ethics), which remains eternally binding for all people. He taught that believers are freed from the ceremonial law but remain under the moral law, which points to our sin, convicts us, and drives us to Christ for grace to live holy lives, establishing a harmony between Law and Gospel, not opposition. This is the Holiness tradition found in more then just the Methodist Church.
Holiness isn’t a side note in Pentecostalism—it’s one of its foundations. Historically, the Pentecostal movement grew out of the Holiness movement, and the theology of holiness shapes Pentecostal identity, ethics, worship, and spiritual experience. So I can not accept your belief that Pentecostals reject the Holiness of God.
Holiness is intrinsically linked to the Law of Moses, as the Law is God's expression of His own holy nature, setting a standard for His people to be "holy as I am holy" (Leviticus 19:2). The Law provided detailed moral, ceremonial, and judicial guidelines to teach Israel about God's purity, reveal their sinfulness, and point towards the need for atonement, ultimately finding its fulfillment in Jesus Christ, who embodies that perfect holiness.
 
The Temple animal sacrifices were only temporal
There is no Temple today in which to offer sacrifices, so what I’m doing is simply teaching the Bible. I’m not claiming to be a Rabbi; I’m a student who learns from the Rabbi. Because of that, I don’t “keep” the sacrifices the way they were practiced in ancient Israel.

From the very beginning—fifty years ago—the first truth I grasped as a Christian was this: you put the horse before the cart, not the cart before the horse. If you are saved, then you are saved from your sin and set free. Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of obtaining it. You don’t do good works to be saved; you do them because you are saved.

Are we free to sin? Paul answers that plainly in Romans 6:2: “God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” So no—I do not accept the idea that holiness is somehow outside the Pentecostal tradition. Holiness is woven into the very fabric of the New Testament life. I may have begun in the Charismatic movement, but I eventually found my way into Pentecostal churches, where the call to holiness has always been central.
 
Just so you know: John Wesley saw the Law of Moses as having three parts: ceremonial (for Israel's temporary use), civil (for Israel's society), and moral (the Ten Commandments and core ethics), which remains eternally binding for all people. He taught that believers are freed from the ceremonial law but remain under the moral law, which points to our sin, convicts us, and drives us to Christ for grace to live holy lives, establishing a harmony between Law and Gospel, not opposition. This is the Holiness tradition found in more then just the Methodist Church.
Holiness isn’t a side note in Pentecostalism—it’s one of its foundations. Historically, the Pentecostal movement grew out of the Holiness movement, and the theology of holiness shapes Pentecostal identity, ethics, worship, and spiritual experience. So I can not accept your belief that Pentecostals reject the Holiness of God.
Holiness is intrinsically linked to the Law of Moses, as the Law is God's expression of His own holy nature, setting a standard for His people to be "holy as I am holy" (Leviticus 19:2). The Law provided detailed moral, ceremonial, and judicial guidelines to teach Israel about God's purity, reveal their sinfulness, and point towards the need for atonement, ultimately finding its fulfillment in Jesus Christ, who embodies that perfect holiness.
Let's define the "Law of Moses''--not by Wesley, not by Pentecostals, but by what I understand from God's written word. It is a limited Covenant, directed exclusively at the Hebrew People, and mandating not just moral laws but all of the 613 or so requirements.

So, when you try to separate the Law of Moses into 3 distinct component parts, you're really playing a game with language. The Law of Moses cannot be separated into parts, but only into language categories within a single body of law. There may indeed be ceremonial, civil, and moral aspects to this Law. But it is all the same Law, requiring them all. Jesus said so.

When Wesley, or Luther, or anybody suggests we are under God's Moral Law, and indicates that it was somehow related to the Law of Moses, what they are really doing is suggesting that God's Law should be distinguished from the Covenant of Moses' Law. They are not suggesting Christians should remain under the Old Covenant of Law, but only under a Law that had been temporarily aligned with the Law of Moses, and yet is perpetuated under a whole new Covenant--the Covenant of Christ.

We would all concur that God's Moral Law has always existed, requiring consistency from all of the agents surrounding God, whether men or angels. As such, it is not really the Law of Moses, but really a universal code of conduct, unless we are suggesting that it exists continuously alongside of the Covenant of Moses' Law.

This would suggest that the Covenant of Moses' Law continues forever! And some think so by referencing the quote, "It shall be for all your generations." This is taken out of context, but nevertheless, some believe this.

For example, the law of God prohibiting murder preexisted the covenant at Sinai, and yet was included in the Law made with Israel at Sinai, as well. It is a universal Law that temporally existed alongside and within the Law of Moses until that Covenant ceased to exist. This Law was indeed for all of Israel's generations up until the point where Israel completely failed to abide by their part of the contract.

So, when I speak of the Law of Moses not being a part of Christianity, what I'm suggesting is that the Law was a specific Covenant that had a time stamp for its expiration. If you don't admit that, then you either separate the Law into component parts that should not be separated, or you insist that keeping the Moral Law continues to be one with its aspect as a Covenant, denying that it has ever expired.
 
So, when you try to separate the Law of Moses into 3 distinct component parts, you're really playing a game with language.
Words have deeper meaning. Let me give you an example of JUST a few of the A words. The Law of Moses has a deeper meaning. Jesus spent a LOT of time trying to explain this to the people who study the Law of Moses. Now I know that the Rabbinic do not claim to believe Jesus is the Messiah, but they can still be closet believers to some degree. They can understand Jesus teaching about how to look for the deeper meaning in the Law of Moses. Even my Buddhist brother said that Jesus was the greatest teacher who ever lived. NO one can dispute that.
  • Apperception — perceiving something in light of prior knowledge or worldview
  • Apothegm — a concise, pointed saying with moral weight
  • Apotheosis — elevation of a person or idea to symbolic or divine status
  • Axiomatics — the underlying assumptions that shape a system of thought
  • Aesthesis — perception that involves emotional or intuitive insight
  • Affect — emotional tone that shapes interpretation
  • Anagogical — relating to ultimate or transcendent meaning
  • Aporia — a moment of puzzlement that opens deeper reflection
You are 100% responsable to keep ALL of the INTENT of the LAWs of Moses. Point one, Jesus lived HIS life as an example for US to follow. Jesus didn’t just keep the Law; He fulfilled it—morally, covenantally, and prophetically. We are to do the same, we are to follow the example that He set for us. We are to have the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. The Holy Spirit is our teacher and guide but the LAW of God is also a teacher and a guide to show us the way of Holiness and Sanctification. Without Holiness NO ONE can see God Hebrews 12:14.
The real zinger though is the word MANY. Jesus says Matthew 7 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” So the day will come when Jesus will deal with the people that.
In Scripture, lawlessness doesn’t just mean breaking rules. It means:

  • Rejecting God’s authority
  • Living as if God’s commands don’t apply
  • Acting independently of God’s will
  • Doing religious works without obedience or relationship

3. The heart of Jesus’ warning

In Matthew 7:22–23, Jesus is saying:

You can do impressive spiritual things and still live in rebellion if your life isn’t aligned with God’s will.
 
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