The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[JLB]

Can an apple tree ever bear watermelons?

Does your physical body get born again, or does your spirit?


We are called to walk according to the Spirit rather than walking according to our flesh.


JLB

 

[Hopeful]

Does your physical body get born again, or does your spirit?
We are called to walk according to the Spirit rather than walking according to our flesh.
JLB

As scripture says, I have been "quickened together with Him"...in Col 2:13.
All of me was dead, and now all of me is alive in Christ.

 

[JLB]

As scripture says, I have been "quickened together with Him"...in Col 2:13.
All of me was dead, and now all of me is alive in Christ.

In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, Colossians 2:11-13

Did Christ circumcise your physical body, or your heart (inner man)?

He has “made alive” our spirit man who was dead in trespasses and sins.


Again, please answer my question —


Does your physical body get born again, or does your spirit?







JLB

 

[brightfame52]

Does that come with any conditions?

None that Christ didn't fulfill. !

 

[brightfame52]

As those reborn of God's seed cannot commit sin, (1 John 3:9), you are correct.

This is talking about Christs saving work, has absolutely nothing to do with what a person does or dont do, not even in the equation !

 

[JLB]

This is talking about Christs saving work, has absolutely nothing to do with what a person does or dont do, not even in the equation !

I don't know what Jesus or what gospel or what spirit you are promoting but it surely isn't the gospel or Jesus of the Bible.



that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9



JLB

 

[Hopeful]

In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, Colossians 2:11-13
Did Christ circumcise your physical body, or your heart (inner man)?

He circumcised me OF my body of sin.
After which, I was raised with Christ to walk in newness of life, (Rom 6:4), I was a new creature.
It is written..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Cor 5:17)
"All things are become new".

He has “made alive” our spirit man who was dead in trespasses and sins.

Wasn't your entire vessel dead in trespasses and sins?
Mine was.

Again, please answer my question —
Does your physical body get born again, or does your spirit?

Both are born again.
We can't have a new Spirit put into an old "bottle".
Matt 9:17..."Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved."

 

[Hopeful]

This is talking about Christs saving work, has absolutely nothing to do with what a person does or dont do, not even in the equation !

Why are you against my agreement with you?
If one can't sin because they are born of Godly seed that can only bear good fruit, their future salvation is assured.

 

[The Gallant Saint]

Your interpretation of the scripture is just another accommodation for sin, and not of God.
Can an apple tree ever bear watermelons?
If not, why can God's seed ever bear the fruit of the devil?
"Seed" can only bring forth after itself.

It isn't my interpretation of Scripture. It is Greek grammar. And I am not accommodating sin. I am simply stating that we cease from continually committing sin. But we, being imperfect, will sin from time to time, I am not saying this is ok. I said this is something we need to work on - to improve/bear more fruit.

So, if you say we will never sin, how can this be? Are you saying you do not sin?

How does your interpretation square up against:

1 John 1:8:
"If we should say that we have not sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

1 John 2:1 "Little children of me, these things I am writing to you so that you might not sin. And if anyone should sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous One. "

Are you going to accuse John of "just another accommodation of sin"?

 

[The Gallant Saint]

None that Christ didn't fulfill. !

To help me understand: So my damnation is impossible, and my salvation certain... and there's no "if"?

 

[JLB]

Both are born again

Our physical bodies are certainly not born again.

This is the major root error of your "belief system" .

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6


Jesus plainly teaches us our spirit is born of the Spirit, not our flesh.

Our mother gave birth to our flesh.

The Spirit does not give birth to our flesh.

The Spirit gives birth to our spirit; in this birth we are born of God.


Only until you humble yourself and give heed to this one foundational truth from Jesus will your house of false doctrine of sinless perfection be torn down and then you can rebuild by continuing in the words of Christ.


Our physical body is not born again by natural water; being dunked in water at water baptism.

Our physical body does not literally die at water baptism.


I pray that the Spirit of the living God, the Spirit of Truth will reveal these things to you and you will be set free from the deception of this doctrine, that I believe you were taught early in your walk with the Lord.

In Jesus name! Amen.



JLB

 

[brightfame52]

I don't know what Jesus or what gospel or what spirit you are promoting but it surely isn't the gospel or Jesus of the Bible.



that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9



JLB

Im speaking of the Jesus Christ whose death resulted in the saving of those He died for, apart from their doing anything. Read the thread, start from the OP, I have explained the point.

 

[brightfame52]

To help me understand: So my damnation is impossible, and my salvation certain... and there's no "if"?

Im not talking about you friend. This thread is about what Jesus Christ accomplished.

 

[Hopeful]

It isn't my interpretation of Scripture. It is Greek grammar. And I am not accommodating sin. I am simply stating that we cease from continually committing sin. But we, being imperfect, will sin from time to time, I am not saying this is ok. I said this is something we need to work on - to improve/bear more fruit.

You may not be accommodating sin, but that doctrine does.
Can apple seeds EVER bring forth potatoes?
No.
Neither can Gods seed bring forth the works of the devil.

So, if you say we will never sin, how can this be? Are you saying you do not sin?

That is correct, as my old Adamic self was killed and a new creature took its place.
A creature born of God's seed.

How does your interpretation square up against:
1 John 1:8:
"If we should say that we have not sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

John is writing to the church about two kinds of men in 1 John 1: one walks in darkness/sin and the other walks in the light/God.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 address those who commit sin, while verses 5, 7, and 9 address those who are in God
Those walking in darkness cannot say they have no sin.
Those walking in God can say they have no sin...as there is no sin in God.

1 John 2:1 "Little children of me, these things I am writing to you so that you might not sin. And if anyone should sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous One. "

The "any man" are those who are not yet in Christ or the Father.
Look at 1 John 2:4..."He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
That verse eliminates sinners from being in Christ.

Are you going to accuse John of "just another accommodation of sin"?

Not at all, as he presents the way which we can determine who actually is in Christ, with his writings.

Those walking in darkness cannot say they have no sin nor that they have fellowship with the Father. (v.6)
If one confesses their sins, (v.9) and is washed of them by the blood of Christ, (v.7) he will be able to say he has no sin and that he does have fellowship with the Father.

 

[Hopeful]

Our physical bodies are certainly not born again.

This is the major root error of your "belief system" .
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

I'm glad I am no longer born of the flesh.
John 1:12-13 say..."But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Which are you born of?

Jesus plainly teaches us our spirit is born of the Spirit, not our flesh.
Our mother gave birth to our flesh.
The Spirit does not give birth to our flesh.
The Spirit gives birth to our spirit; in this birth we are born of God.
Only until you humble yourself and give heed to this one foundational truth from Jesus will your house of false doctrine of sinless perfection be torn down and then you can rebuild by continuing in the words of Christ.
Our physical body is not born again by natural water; being dunked in water at water baptism.
Our physical body does not literally die at water baptism.
I pray that the Spirit of the living God, the Spirit of Truth will reveal these things to you and you will be set free from the deception of this doctrine, that I believe you were taught early in your walk with the Lord.
In Jesus name! Amen.
JLB

Isn't it written that "God heareth not sinners"? (John 9:31)
Why on earth would I ever want to return to that abysmal place of death?
I will continue to walk in and after the Spirit instead of in and after the flesh.

 

[JLB]

Im speaking of the Jesus Christ whose death resulted in the saving of those He died for, apart from their doing anything. Read the thread, start from the OP, I have explained the point.

Your Gospel, and your jesus isn’t biblical.


Here is how the Bible says we are saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9



Do you believe a person is saved without hearing and believing the Gospel?




JLB

 

[JLB]

I'm glad I am no longer born of the flesh.

Your physical body was born of your mother.

You have the same physical body you had when you were born.




JLB

 

[JLB]

John 1:12-13 say..."But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Which are you born of

I am born of the Spirit, that is to say my spirit is born of the Spirit.


That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

• That which is born of the flesh is flesh,
• and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Your flesh is not born of the Spirit.




JLB

 

[The Gallant Saint]

You may not be accommodating sin, but that doctrine does.
Can apple seeds EVER bring forth potatoes?
No.
Neither can Gods seed bring forth the works of the devil.

That is correct, as my old Adamic self was killed and a new creature took its place.
A creature born of God's seed.

John is writing to the church about two kinds of men in 1 John 1: one walks in darkness/sin and the other walks in the light/God.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 address those who commit sin, while verses 5, 7, and 9 address those who are in God
Those walking in darkness cannot say they have no sin.
Those walking in God can say they have no sin...as there is no sin in God.

The "any man" are those who are not yet in Christ or the Father.
Look at 1 John 2:4..."He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
That verse eliminates sinners from being in Christ.

Not at all, as he presents the way which we can determine who actually is in Christ, with his writings.

Those walking in darkness cannot say they have no sin nor that they have fellowship with the Father. (v.6)
If one confesses their sins, (v.9) and is washed of them by the blood of Christ, (v.7) he will be able to say he has no sin and that he does have fellowship with the Father.

1 John 1:8 - "If we should say that we have not sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." - John uses "we" and "us" - It is clear that it also applies to himself by using "we" and "us". He is addressing the believers, not the unbelievers. This verse applies to every person. Is John walking in darkness? Absolutely not.

1 John 2:1 - John starts this verse by saying "my little children". It is clear that he was writing to fellow believers. How can someone have an "an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous One" if John was speaking to someone who is not yet in Christ or the Father?

 

[Hopeful]

Your physical body was born of your mother.

You have the same physical body you had when you were born.

You mean "born" the first time?
It isn't MY physical body anymore.
I am a new creature now, and this vessel is a vessel of the Holy Spirit.
I was totally reborn, not "partially" reborn.