The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[Hopeful]

I am born of the Spirit, that is to say my spirit is born of the Spirit.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

• That which is born of the flesh is flesh,
• and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Your flesh is not born of the Spirit.

Do you subscribe to partial rebirth?
It seems you do.
Were you reborn of a body or of a Spirit?
If you are reborn of God's seed, the body you now have is Spiritually induced.

 

[Hopeful]

1 John 1:8 - "If we should say that we have not sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." - John uses "we" and "us" - It is clear that it also applies to himself by using "we" and "us". He is addressing the believers, not the unbelievers. This verse applies to every person. Is John walking in darkness? Absolutely not.

He also uses "IF".
He is addressing folks who walk in darkness in verses 6, 8, and 10.
Those walking in darkness, sin, cannot say they have fellowship with God or that they have no sin.
Sinners can't say they have no sin.
Those walking in the light can say it.

1 John 2:1 - John starts this verse by saying "my little children". It is clear that he was writing to fellow believers. How can someone have an "an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous One" if John was speaking to someone who is not yet in Christ or the Father?

The "any man" of 1 John 2:1 are they who have yet to use that Advocate.
It is written..."And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:3-4)
The liars are the ones in need of our Advocate.
We who walk in the light, which is God, have already used His advocacy.

 

[The Gallant Saint]

He also uses "IF".
He is addressing folks who walk in darkness in verses 6, 8, and 10.
Those walking in darkness, sin, cannot say they have fellowship with God or that they have no sin.
Sinners can't say they have no sin.
Those walking in the light can say it.

The "any man" of 1 John 2:1 are they who have yet to use that Advocate.
It is written..."And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:3-4)
The liars are the ones in need of our Advocate.
We who walk in the light, which is God, have already used His advocacy.

He can't be addressing unbelievers (those who walk in darkness), the epistle of 1 John is written to believers. If it was written to unbelievers, the entire communication style would be different.

"The author advises Christians on how to discern true teachers: by their ethics, their proclamation of Jesus in the flesh, and by their love.[3] The original text was written in Koine Greek. The epistle is divided into five chapters." source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_of_John

Question: Did Apostle Peter keep the Commandments?

 

[brightfame52]

If Christ died for our sins according to the scripture, the following things are true:

That we were sinners dead in sin without hope, and could do nothing to save ourselves. Matt 1:21; Eph 2:12

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

It means that God has chosen us in Christ Jesus before the foundation Eph 1:4 and wherein Grace was given to us in Him for the purpose of saving 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It means that God has forgiven us all our sins and will not never charge them to us, lay them to our account ! Rom 4;7- 8;

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


If Christ died for us we have the Righteousness of God through Christ charged to us 2 Cor 5:21;

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

If Christ died for us, His redemptive death secured our salvation from the curse of the law. Gal 3:13

If Christ died for us, we shall be given Spiritual life by the Spirit Gal 4:4-6

If Christ died for us, God will send to us the Gospel of our salvation. Eph 1:13; 2 Thess 2:13-14

If Christ died for us, God will preserve us unto eternal glory ! 2 Tim 4:18 6

 

[JLB]

You mean "born" the first time?

I mean your physical body was born from your physical mother at birth.


That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6


Your spirit is born of the Spirit.

Your flesh is born of your fleshly (physical) mother.


No where does it say your physical body was born again of the Holy Spirit.



JLB

 

[JLB]

Do you subscribe to partial rebirth?
It seems you do.
Were you reborn of a body or of a Spirit?
If you are reborn of God's seed, the body you now have is Spiritually induced.

I believe my spirit was born of the Spirit.

I believe my physical body was born of my natural mother, and will be clothed with immortality at the resurrection, when Jesus returns.

Do you believe the physical body you have now will die?




JLB

 

[Hopeful]

He can't be addressing unbelievers (those who walk in darkness), the epistle of 1 John is written to believers. If it was written to unbelievers, the entire communication style would be different.

He wrote to the church, about both those who walk in darkness-sin and about those who walk in light-God.
His message allows us to determine who is, or is not, in God.

"The author advises Christians on how to discern true teachers: by their ethics, their proclamation of Jesus in the flesh, and by their love.[3] The original text was written in Koine Greek. The epistle is divided into five chapters." source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Epistle_of_John

By "author" you mean John...and I agree.
But it isn't just about the "teachers".
It is about everyone.

Question: Did Apostle Peter keep the Commandments?

After his conversion...Yes, to the best we can determine with our written knowledge/history.
Those commandments being...Love God with all your strength and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

 

[Hopeful]

If Christ died for our sins according to the scripture, the following things are true:

That we were sinners dead in sin without hope, and could do nothing to save ourselves. Matt 1:21; Eph 2:12

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

It means that God has chosen us in Christ Jesus before the foundation Eph 1:4 and wherein Grace was given to us in Him for the purpose of saving 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It means that God has forgiven us all our sins and will not never charge them to us, lay them to our account ! Rom 4;7- 8;

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


If Christ died for us we have the Righteousness of God through Christ charged to us 2 Cor 5:21;

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

If Christ died for us, His redemptive death secured our salvation from the curse of the law. Gal 3:13

If Christ died for us, we shall be given Spiritual life by the Spirit Gal 4:4-6

If Christ died for us, God will send to us the Gospel of our salvation. Eph 1:13; 2 Thess 2:13-14

If Christ died for us, God will preserve us unto eternal glory ! 2 Tim 4:18 6

Thank God for His preservation.

 

[Hopeful]

I mean your physical body was born from your physical mother at birth.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6

Yes, it was...but it has been killed since that birth and I have been reborn form God's seed.
I am a new creature.

Your spirit is born of the Spirit.
Your flesh is born of your fleshly (physical) mother.

My spirit and skin and bones were one package.
Both have been made new in Christ.
As it is written..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2Cor 5:17)
"All things are made new".
Why do you seem to want to retain your vessel?

No where does it say your physical body was born again of the Holy Spirit.

"Behold, all things are made new." (2 Cor 5:17)

 

[Hopeful]

I believe my spirit was born of the Spirit.

I believe my physical body was born of my natural mother, and will be clothed with immortality at the resurrection, when Jesus returns.

So you do believe in partial rebirth.

Do you believe the physical body you have now will die?

It already did once, so now it isn't mine.
Me personally?
I will live forever...thanks be to God.

 

[JLB]

Yes, it was...but it has been killed since that birth and I have been reborn form God's seed.

Who gave "re-birth" to your physical body?

 

[JLB]

So you do believe in partial rebirth

I believe the Spirit gave birth to my spirit.

My physical body was birthed from my flesh and blood mother.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6


All that is left now is for you to post the scripture that says,...
that which is born of the Spirit is flesh.


I will be waiting.

 

[The Gallant Saint]

He wrote to the church, about both those who walk in darkness-sin and about those who walk in light-God.
His message allows us to determine who is, or is not, in God.

By "author" you mean John...and I agree.
But it isn't just about the "teachers".
It is about everyone.

After his conversion...Yes, to the best we can determine with our written knowledge/history.
Those commandments being...Love God with all your strength and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

The point is John was writing to fellow Christians, telling them that if we have the "seed", then we will not continue sinning (ἁμαρτάνειν) (1 John 3:9), but if we do sin (which is inevitable, even though we follow the Commandments), we have Jesus as our advocate (1 John 2:1).

I asked you about Peter because although he was an Apostle with Jesus for 3 and a half years, he sinned by denying Jesus three times. Sir/Ma'am, my point is you don't know when you may stumble.

If you say you do not sin, then I pray that you will never sin, but if you do, that you may humbly accept that you did.

 

[Hopeful]

The point is John was writing to fellow Christians, telling them that if we have the "seed", then we will not continue sinning (ἁμαρτάνειν) (1 John 3:9), but if we do sin (which is inevitable, even though we follow the Commandments), we have Jesus as our advocate (1 John 2:1).

Sin is not inevitable.
Those sprouted from apple seeds don't suddenly start to bear onions.
Your need of an advocate is indicative of who you are still born of.
It isn't Godly seed that produces sinners.

I asked you about Peter because although he was an Apostle with Jesus for 3 and a half years, he sinned by denying Jesus three times. Sir/Ma'am, my point is you don't know when you may stumble.

He was not a convert yet, as Jesus did say..."But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren." (Luke 22:32)
He sinned while walking in the flesh, and still a religious Jew.
Not as a Christian convert who walks in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.

If you say you do not sin, then I pray that you will never sin, but if you do, that you may humbly accept that you did.

I make no reservations for the now dead flesh.
I have been promised..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
Look for the escapes.

 

[brightfame52]

What religionist are blind to as it pertains to the Death of Christ and its saving effects, is that Christ death procured life, both Spiritual and Eternal for them He died for. This Life is given, applied to them He died for by the Spirit, so by His death He gives life to the world Jn 6:33

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Life here is Spiritual and is imparted by the Spirit in Honor of His Saving Death !

 

[brightfame52]

. The Scriptures declare of the objective and outcome of Christ’s death, in the most outright and positive terms: "When enemies, we were reconciled to God, by the death of his Son, and shall much more be saved by his life," Romans 5:10. "He died for us, that we should live together with him," 1 Thess. 5: 10. "God hath appointed us to obtain salvation by Jesus Christ,"

His death effects that we shall be saved by His Life [conversion] and that we shall live together with Him and obtain Salvation.

If we dont believe this, we certainly sell the effects of His death short, to our shame ! 8

 

[brightfame52]

Three things result from the Death of Christ, for all whom He died, which if they dont occur in our life, its obvious Christ didn't die for us.

#1 We are reconciled to God Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

#2 We were spiritually healed Isa 53:5

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. CP 1 Pet 2:24

#3 We have peace with God Isa 53:5

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Col 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ’s death obtained redemption Heb 9:12, if it purges the conscience Heb 9:14, and secures the eternal inheritance Heb 9:15, then there is a exact conjoining between Christ’s sufferings and his saving results; but the aforementioned is true, and therefore so is the last-mentioned.

Heb 9:12,14,15

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

 

[brightfame52]

Those Christ died for, He redeemed them, and purchased their release from the dominion of the law and satan and secured upon them the Spirit of Adoption Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Christ was sent into the world to be birthed of a woman, in order to keep the law, even unto death, which death redeemed them He died for [sons]

The word redeem exagorazō:

1. to redeem
   1. by payment of a price to recover from the power of another, to ransom, buy off
   2. metaph. of Christ freeing the elect from the dominion of the Mosaic Law at the price of his vicarious death
2. to buy up, to buy up for one's self, for one's use

See those whom Christ died for are under the dominion and power of satan Acts 26:18

To open their[Spiritual] eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Col 1:13

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The power of darkness here is the same as the power of satan !

Now Christs redemptive work redeems, rescues, frees those He died for from satans dominion which includes unbelief, since satan is instrumental in men being in unbelief by blinding their minds 2 Cor 4:4

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

and being rescued, delivered they receive the Adoption of Sons, which is the Spirit.

Christ dying for them evidenced them being sons, and causing them to receive the Sprit into their hearts.

Fulfilling the promise Ezk 36:27

27 And I will put my spirit[of adoption] within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.8

 

[brightfame52]

When Christ died, it was to save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, hence inclusive in His Death was all that was necessary to secure the intended saving effects of His death. Nothing was left up to man to do in order for His Saving Death would be fruitful, He is Saviour alone ! Rom 8:32

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?