The Seal of God and the Mark of the beast.

[yepimonfire]

actually, ive been doing alot of studying on the subject of the anti-christ, the beast, and its mark, i will tell you this much, islam is antichrist, (there is more the one antichrist anyone who denies christ as the son of god is antichrist) the mark came about when the ottoman empire took over and you had to either be a muslim, or you werent allowed to buy, sell, work, etc. ive been discussing things with someone very knowledgable in history and revelation and the book of daniel, he was able to trace the entire book of revelation from now, until the beginning, and daniel also (both books go hand in hand) the puzzle fits perfectly. i dont have the knowledge to explain all of this myself, but will later on post excerpts of what he has told me, let me say this much, the mark is NOT A CHIP! those closely following christ and christianity WILL NOT have the mark.

now as far as salvation goes consider this

1 John 5:5 (New International Version)

5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Revelation 21:7 (New International Version)

7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son
Revelation 3:21 (New International Version)

21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Revelation 2:11 (New International Version)

11He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.
Revelation 3:5 (New International Version)

5He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

Revelation 20:15 (New International Version)

15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:14 (New International Version)

14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

 

[JudaicChristian]

actually, ive been doing alot of studying on the subject of the anti-christ, the beast, and its mark, i will tell you this much, islam is antichrist, (there is more the one antichrist anyone who denies christ as the son of god is antichrist) the mark came about when the ottoman empire took over and you had to either be a muslim, or you werent allowed to buy, sell, work, etc.

There was a time when Catholics were not to buy or sell with the Judaizing Christians either. The word "Anti-Christ" is a general term.

 

[francisdesales]

I my self am a Non-Pagan Christian. I know people who are Pagan Christians, and some even belong to covens. They never listen to what I say. No matter how many facts I present, they always say that is your opinion.

You are confusing urban legends with facts... Not unusual where people have already made up their mind about things and love to hear anything negative said about another group that "proves" their point of view...

 

[JudaicChristian]

I my self am a Non-Pagan Christian. I know people who are Pagan Christians, and some even belong to covens. They never listen to what I say. No matter how many facts I present, they always say that is your opinion.

You are confusing urban legends with facts... Not unusual where people have already made up their mind about things and love to hear anything negative said about another group that "proves" their point of view...

I'am talking about people I have met in person.

 

[francisdesales]

I'am talking about people I have met in person.

I guess you need to ask yourself WHY people don't listen to you...

 

[Elijah674]

I'am talking about people I have met in person.

I guess you need to ask yourself WHY people don't listen to you...

It seems that the 666 sealing/time/frame is the vast majority of Matt. 7 + Rev. 17:1-5 ones against the Lord's few!. And starts in the USA from Lamb/To dragon. From Freedom to now needing Ceasar to use satan's Forced worship. Surely Christ is not there! And that will take a Supreme court of mostly one majority of satan's converts, huh! And who now is that?

And finding people to listen well past the 120 years of the HolySpirits STRIVING??? Gen. 6:3 See Zeph. 1:12

---Elijah

 

[JudaicChristian]

I'm talking about people I have met in person.

I guess you need to ask yourself WHY people don't listen to you...

Perhaps those people did not listen to me because they have free will, and that they are not lead by the Spirit of Truth. In other words, God has given them over to vain imaginnings.

 

[francisdesales]

Perhaps those people did not listen to me because they have free will, and that they are not lead by the Spirit of Truth. In other words, God has given them over to vain imaginnings.

Perhaps.

OR, perhaps they see you are mistaken and do not care to partake in your "version" of Christianity...

Preaching narrowmindedness will not win you disciples for Christ, sir.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Perhaps those people did not listen to me because they have free will, and that they are not lead by the Spirit of Truth. In other words, God has given them over to vain imaginnings.

Perhaps.

OR, perhaps they see you are mistaken and do not care to partake in your "version" of Christianity...

Preaching narrow mindedness will not win you disciples for Christ, sir.

Ah, so the Pagans Christians according to you know better than I do, and the way to God is broad and all encompassing. It is true that I'm narrow minded and that I believe truth is narrowly defined. I do believe that is why people do not listen to me. I never tell people what they want to hear, so that is why I,am disliked.

 

[francisdesales]

Perhaps those people did not listen to me because they have free will, and that they are not lead by the Spirit of Truth. In other words, God has given them over to vain imaginnings.

Perhaps.

OR, perhaps they see you are mistaken and do not care to partake in your "version" of Christianity...

Preaching narrow mindedness will not win you disciples for Christ, sir.

Ah, so the Pagans Christians according to you know better than I do, and the way to God is broad and all encompassing. It is true that I'm narrow minded and that I believe truth is narrowly defined. I do believe that is why people do not listen to me. I never tell people what they want to hear, so that is why I,am disliked.

Now, you are misunderstanding what "narrowminded" means. First of all, NONE of us has the ENTIRE "TRUTH". Thinking that you have it leads to narrowmindedness, an attitude that is quite similar to the Pharisees, who thought you could only worship and love God in one way, the Jewish way. Clearly, the existence of Christianity shows that there are other ways acceptable to God. God's Spirit blows where HE wills, often into "pagan" hearts. Those who love are of God, and the Spirit is the cause of this. Your narrowmindedness prevents you from seeing beyond your immediate Scriptural interpretations (no doubt infallible, in your mind) and accepting that other people have something to bring to the table in discussions about God and who is saved, etc...

Telling people the truth is not why you are "disliked". It is your triumphant viewpoint that does not allow another person's opinions ANY allowance of containing SOME truth... Trust me, I'm Catholic, and am familiar with that mindset from our collective history. It is not in the interest of serving Christ, and why we have cast that attitude aside, as a Christian community... Narrowmindedness does not lead one to Christ.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Perhaps those people did not listen to me because they have free will, and that they are not lead by the Spirit of Truth. In other words, God has given them over to vain imaginnings.

Perhaps.

OR, perhaps they see you are mistaken and do not care to partake in your "version" of Christianity...

Preaching narrow mindedness will not win you disciples for Christ, sir.

Ah, so the Pagans Christians according to you know better than I do, and the way to God is broad and all encompassing. It is true that I'm narrow minded and that I believe truth is narrowly defined. I do believe that is why people do not listen to me. I never tell people what they want to hear, so that is why I,am disliked.

Now, you are misunderstanding what "narrowminded" means. First of all, NONE of us has the ENTIRE "TRUTH". Thinking that you have it leads to narrowmindedness, an attitude that is quite similar to the Pharisees, who thought you could only worship and love God in one way, the Jewish way. Clearly, the existence of Christianity shows that there are other ways acceptable to God. God's Spirit blows where HE wills, often into "pagan" hearts. Those who love are of God, and the Spirit is the cause of this. Your narrowmindedness prevents you from seeing beyond your immediate Scriptural interpretations (no doubt infallible, in your mind) and accepting that other people have something to bring to the table in discussions about God and who is saved, etc...
Telling people the truth is not why you are "disliked". It is your triumphant viewpoint that does not allow another person's opinions ANY allowance of containing SOME truth... Trust me, I'm Catholic, and am familiar with that mindset from our collective history. It is not in the interest of serving Christ, and why we have cast that attitude aside, as a Christian community... Narrowmindedness does not lead one to Christ.

You are correct. I believe that many are called but few are chosen.

 

[francisdesales]

I believe that many are called but few are chosen.

I believe ALL are called, and few respond the way we should. Because I am aware of my personal shortcomings, I don't intend on deciding for God who will be saved. My life is in His Hands and I try not to judge other's eternal destiny based upon "their beliefs" vs. "my beliefs".

All people, even "pagan Christians" possess some truth about God, perhaps many. Perhaps that and their response to God (those who seek God are pleasing to Him) will better determine who will enter the Kingdom...

Regards

 

[Elijah674]

The subject is a good one, keep it up & you will no doubt get it locked down. Or is that ones agenda?? Surely the Inspired verses speaks to this back & for personal mindset!

Titus 3
[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
[10] A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

--Elijah

 

[francisdesales]

The subject is a good one, keep it up & you will no doubt get it locked down. Or is that ones agenda?? Surely the Inspired verses speaks to this back & for personal mindset!

Titus 3
[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
[10] A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

--Elijah

Yes, you are right, I should be more judgmental and tell everyone who is going to heaven/hell, etc...

 

[Elijah674]

Forum: A little different identification seen here, but see if you can find these ones of only the two class of professed Christians who are 'Rev. 3:10 'Kept Here'. And there are ONLY the two to pick from! Ezek.9

[1] He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

[2] And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

[3] And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

[4] And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

[5] And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

[6] Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

[7] And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

[8] And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

[9] Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.

[10] And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

[11] And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.

Just one after thought. Rev. 17:1-5's ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH ONES, are any better than these???

 

[JudaicChristian]

I believe that many are called but few are chosen.

I believe ALL are called, and few respond the way we should. Because I am aware of my personal shortcomings, I don't intend on deciding for God who will be saved. My life is in His Hands and I try not to judge other's eternal destiny based upon "their beliefs" vs. "my beliefs".

All people, even "pagan Christians" possess some truth about God, perhaps many. Perhaps that and their response to God (those who seek God are pleasing to Him) will better determine who will enter the Kingdom...

Regards

Isaiah 29:13
The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.

Jeremiah 2:5
This is what the LORD says: "What fault did your fathers find in me, that they strayed so far from me? They followed worthless idols and became worthless themselves.

Ezekiel 44:10
" 'The Levites who went far from me when Israel went astray and who wandered from me after their idols must bear the consequences of their sin.

Matthew 15:8
" 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

Mark 7:6
He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The subject is a good one, keep it up & you will no doubt get it locked down. Or is that ones agenda?? Surely the Inspired verses speaks to this back & for personal mindset!

Titus 3
[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
[10] A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

--Elijah

Yes, you are right, I should be more judgmental and tell everyone who is going to heaven/hell, etc...

• Everyone makes judgements, and we are judged by our own judgements. Only mentally handicap people are not capable of rightous judgements.

• Luke 12:57
  "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?
  
  John 12:48
  There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. Rejecting Christ and his words is a persons judgement call.
  
  Acts 4:19
  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
  
  1 Corinthians 10:15
  I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.

 

[francisdesales]

Everyone makes judgements, and we are judged by our own judgements. Only mentally handicap people are not capable of rightous judgements

That's not the sort of judgments I'm talking about. Scripture doesn't speak of YOU judging MY eternal destiny. It speaks of judging situations that effect you, since you have no ability whatsoever to know the mind of another person.

That sort of judgment is left to God, since no one can know the mind of another, and GOD ALONE is left to judge our inner dispositions.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Everyone makes judgements, and we are judged by our own judgements. Only mentally handicap people are not capable of righteous judgements

That's not the sort of judgments I'm talking about. Scripture doesn't speak of YOU judging MY eternal destiny. It speaks of judging situations that effect you, since you have no ability whatsoever to know the mind of another person.

That sort of judgment is left to God, since no one can know the mind of another, and GOD ALONE is left to judge our inner dispositions.

I don't have to be able to read minds, I can listen to what people say, and watch what people do. Is my brother in Christ into numerology, mysticism, idolatry, or any other such things? Should I think to myself that it is not my responsibility to say anything?

 

[Elijah674]

Hi, here is a [post] that I was also [posting with] yesterday about the law of God (THAT HAS THE SEALING IN IT Isa. 8:16!) & its life/span, and if God was always saving his creation by the Gospel on Condition of Obedience or just the Jew (old Israel). If it does not apply to us reading it?? Just think of me in Heb. 5.

Here is the post:
Elijah here: I took this post home and before re/reading it made some notes from my BOOK. (quite a few!) And then I reread this post from.. [BLANK].
And he & 'i' are 180 degrees apart in our believ'ism! The WHOLE THREAD HERE says it all in both directions if one is looking for truth.

SO: When Gen. 26:5 will not tell the UNIVERSE why God CHOOSE ABRAMHAM (Isaac was not even the [ISSUE of Jeff's deversion 2 Cor. 4:2!] LONG, LONG, even a couple BC 1804 years from his calling of Gen. 12:1-5 year BC 2247

Here again are the verses: Gen. 12 & then WHY GOD CALLED ABE!
[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

[2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
[4] So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

[5] And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

And as mentioned before. These were Born Again Converted Gentils as was Abram even now! And what Eternal Rev. 14:6 Gospel did it take for these ones to accept the Acts 4:12 'NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER : FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY YE MUST BE SAVED.' And Heb. 11:13 found these ALL SAVED [IN] CHRIST!
+++! and what in the world do some think that Noah THE PREACHER OF RIGHTOUSNESS to the pre/flood ones was preaching even with the STRIVING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT for 120 years of Gen. 6:3 if not an Rev. 14:6 ETERNAL GOSPEL OF CHRIST!
(yes, 'i' know, these ones are all the ones of Rev. 17:5 as we speak!)

Why was Abe called of God? Forget the diversion of the time in the verses, and ZERO IN ON THE TIME/FRAME OF ABRAMS CALLING AND WHAT GOD SAID WAS THE REASON FOR HIS CALLING HIM! God even had the 'Lamb Offering' Gen. 3:15! and Tithing system set up WAY BEFORE the Sanctuary was built and the PEDIGREE JEW came along! (+ much else)

Again, here is the verse..(God was speaking to Abe's son Isaac is not the truth that REQUIRES one to gain.. yet, from the time of his fathers call, Isaac was a grown man even! LORD! TRY TO REACH EVEN ONE.. AGAIN!

[5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

And here are MANY COVENANTS THAT ABE KNEW ABOUT THAT WERE SPOKEN TO HIM FROM GOD LONG BEFORE THE JEW CAME ON THE SCENE!!