The Seal of God and the Mark of the beast.

[sheepdog]

In an effort to get back to the topic of this thread which is what does sealed and marked mean I offer these thoughts. The word sealed is used in different ways. In some cases it means marked as in authenticated as God's child and protected from Satan. The presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives is our guarantee of that. Part of that definition is seen in the use of the word circumcised. In the O.T. it refered to the removal of the prepuse and was a sign of being seperated from the unclean world and dedicated to God. In the N.T. the term circumcision of the heart is used as a metaphor and still means seperated from the unclean world and dedicated to God. It should be evidenced by control of fleshly lust and removal of spiritual impurity or sin.
When you go to the word marked as in mark of the beast that word is understood when related to the branding of livestock and is the result of a complete commitment to the anti christ. The devoted followers of the anti christ will receive a brand on their foreheads or hands as a symbol of their commitment to him.

When you go to the word marked as in mark of the beast that word is understood when related to the branding of livestock and is the result of a complete commitment to the anti christ. The devoted followers of the anti christ will receive a brand on their foreheads or hands as a symbol of their commitment to him

NOPE,,,,You must think satan is stupid or something.....There is no way people are going to get literal brands symbolizing they follow satan/antichrist.......Satan doesnt work like that......

anyway from looking at the text,,,we see

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The bible says "IN" their foreheads ,,,,,,youre saying "ON" their forehead,,,,theres a differance :yes

What is (in) your forehead?????? Your Brain........

You stated Satan is not stupid, you are right, he is arrogant. People are stupid, that is why so many will perish in the end. Regarding the word in vs. the word on in my post, please note the KJV uses the word in and all modern versions such as NAS and NIV uses the word on. Is one right and the other wrong I don’t think so. Four hundred years ago the word in and on were interchangeable depending on their context. Language and word usage changes over time. The message of the Bible does not waver at all but language does. The mark is required to buy or sell. Can you imagine the clerk at Wal-Mart having to read minds to see who is authorized to buy their products if the mark is within the mind or hand? I know this is where we could go into a discussion about computer chips. Marked in the mind or hand makes no sense at all when the verses are looked at in context of commerce.
Regarding the mark of the beast I stand by the use of branding. The children of Israel were marked or branded by circumcision. This was and ever present reminder and symbol that they were set apart from the rest of the people of the world and called to holiness unto the Lord. In the last days we know the temple is rebuilt and temple worship with all its ordinances are reinstated. Add to that this event takes place after years of killing Christians and the anti-Christ is now dominating the religious and political scene worldwide. He even has his image set up in the temple and requires that it be worshipped. It is very conceivable that people will willingly submit to a branding as a proud symbol of their devotion to the anti-Christ.
I would suggest any serious student of the bible get access to a Hebrew and a Greek lexicon. English words are related to the ancient languages and definitions are given in their context. There are some available on the internet by reputable seminaries and they are very easy to use even without knowledge of the languages mentioned

 

[JudaicChristian]

The Caesars

#1 Julius, #2 Augustus, #3 Tiberius, #4 Caligula, #5 Claudius, #6 Nero, #7 Galba, #8 Otho. Vitellius was the first to add Cognomen Germanicus to his name instead of Caesar upon his accession; the latter name Caesar had fallen into disrepute because of the actions of Nero. Vespasian, Titus and Domitian were actually a separate dynasty called the Flavians.
Between June 68 and December 69, Rome witnessed a successive rise and fall of Galba, Otho, and Vitellius, until the accession of Vespasian, the first ruler of the Flavian dynasty.
Revelation 17:10. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast (nation) who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

 

[(THE)]

In an effort to get back to the topic of this thread which is what does sealed and marked mean I offer these thoughts. The word sealed is used in different ways. In some cases it means marked as in authenticated as God's child and protected from Satan. The presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives is our guarantee of that. Part of that definition is seen in the use of the word circumcised. In the O.T. it refered to the removal of the prepuse and was a sign of being seperated from the unclean world and dedicated to God. In the N.T. the term circumcision of the heart is used as a metaphor and still means seperated from the unclean world and dedicated to God. It should be evidenced by control of fleshly lust and removal of spiritual impurity or sin.
When you go to the word marked as in mark of the beast that word is understood when related to the branding of livestock and is the result of a complete commitment to the anti christ. The devoted followers of the anti christ will receive a brand on their foreheads or hands as a symbol of their commitment to him.

When you go to the word marked as in mark of the beast that word is understood when related to the branding of livestock and is the result of a complete commitment to the anti christ. The devoted followers of the anti christ will receive a brand on their foreheads or hands as a symbol of their commitment to him

NOPE,,,,You must think satan is stupid or something.....There is no way people are going to get literal brands symbolizing they follow satan/antichrist.......Satan doesnt work like that......

anyway from looking at the text,,,we see

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The bible says "IN" their foreheads ,,,,,,youre saying "ON" their forehead,,,,theres a differance :yes

What is (in) your forehead?????? Your Brain........

You stated Satan is not stupid, you are right, he is arrogant. People are stupid, that is why so many will perish in the end. Regarding the word in vs. the word on in my post, please note the KJV uses the word in and all modern versions such as NAS and NIV uses the word on. Is one right and the other wrong I don’t think so. Four hundred years ago the word in and on were interchangeable depending on their context. Language and word usage changes over time. The message of the Bible does not waver at all but language does. The mark is required to buy or sell. Can you imagine the clerk at Wal-Mart having to read minds to see who is authorized to buy their products if the mark is within the mind or hand? I know this is where we could go into a discussion about computer chips. Marked in the mind or hand makes no sense at all when the verses are looked at in context of commerce.
Regarding the mark of the beast I stand by the use of branding. The children of Israel were marked or branded by circumcision. This was and ever present reminder and symbol that they were set apart from the rest of the people of the world and called to holiness unto the Lord. In the last days we know the temple is rebuilt and temple worship with all its ordinances are reinstated. Add to that this event takes place after years of killing Christians and the anti-Christ is now dominating the religious and political scene worldwide. He even has his image set up in the temple and requires that it be worshipped. It is very conceivable that people will willingly submit to a branding as a proud symbol of their devotion to the anti-Christ.
I would suggest any serious student of the bible get access to a Hebrew and a Greek lexicon. English words are related to the ancient languages and definitions are given in their context. There are some available on the internet by reputable seminaries and they are very easy to use even without knowledge of the languages mentioned

Interesting points,,,,I see where your coming from....

You stated Satan is not stupid, you are right, he is arrogant. People are stupid, that is why so many will perish in the end.

Sad but true....

please note the KJV uses the word in and all modern versions such as NAS and NIV uses the word on. Is one right and the other wrong I don’t think so. Four hundred years ago the word in and on were interchangeable depending on their context. Language and word usage changes over time.

Duely noted,,,,

 

[(THE)]

The mark is required to buy or sell. Can you imagine the clerk at Wal-Mart having to read minds to see who is authorized to buy their products if the mark is within the mind or hand?

LOL ,,,,Nah ,,,I see what your saying but its a little bit more to it then that,,,,in short,,,,when the antichrist/satan returns the whole world will follow him,,, except the elect,,,,,,the elecs will not be able to buy and sell........

Regarding the mark of the beast I stand by the use of branding

Ok but remember,,,Ezek. 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

Satan is just not thaty obvious.....Do you think the seal of GOd is a brand also?????????

It is very conceivable that people will willingly submit to a branding as a proud symbol of their devotion to the anti-Christ.

NO- antichrist has to act just like Jesus Christ,,,,he has to talk like Jesus look like Jesus ,,,,,he as to be Jesus.......Jesus didnt brand people,,,but He did walk around doing miracles...He aint going to brand you,,,,hes going to mark your brain with wonders miracles....

Rev. 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;


O yeah sheepdog,,,let me tell you ,,,,,I already believe the mark of the beast has begun,,,,,and people arent be branded.....

 

[JudaicChristian]

You know, this verse could be translated as "miraculous things." Rev. 13:14 And deceived them that live on the earth by means of those miraculous things he had power to do in the sight of those beast [nations];...
Also: Those beasts. [plural] More than one beast [nation] makes a plural.

 

[(THE)]

You know, this verse could be translated as "miraculous things." Rev. 13:14 And deceived them that live on the earth by means of those miraculous things he had power to do in the sight of those beast [nations];...
Also: Those beasts. [plural] More than one beast [nation] makes a plural.

Also: Those beasts. [plural] More than one beast [nation] makes a plural

There are 2 beast mentioned in Rev 13,,,,,,the first is many nations under one system....The second is satan himself.......

 

[JudaicChristian]

You know, this verse could be translated as "miraculous things." Rev. 13:14 And deceived them that live on the earth by means of those miraculous things he had power to do in the sight of those beast [nations];...
Also: Those beasts. [plural] More than one beast [nation] makes a plural.

Also: Those beasts. [plural] More than one beast [nation] makes a plural

There are 2 beast mentioned in Rev 13,,,,,,the first is many nations under one system....The second is satan himself.......

There are two dragons and many beasts. [nations]... Revelation 17:15
Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. The prostitute is the red dragon of the sea, the whore of Babylon. And it is also a beast. [Nation]... It means that that nation is surrounded by different peoples and nations. Now the dragon that comes up out of the [earth / land / desert,] it also is a [beast / nation;] but is comes up in a wilderness area, after the first [beast / nation.] And yes, the first beast, it becomes a leader of 10 nations.

 

[(THE)]

You know, this verse could be translated as "miraculous things." Rev. 13:14 And deceived them that live on the earth by means of those miraculous things he had power to do in the sight of those beast [nations];...
Also: Those beasts. [plural] More than one beast [nation] makes a plural.

Also: Those beasts. [plural] More than one beast [nation] makes a plural

There are 2 beast mentioned in Rev 13,,,,,,the first is many nations under one system....The second is satan himself.......

There are two dragons and many beasts. [nations]... Revelation 17:15
Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. The prostitute is the red dragon of the sea, the whore of Babylon. And it is also a beast. [Nation]... It means that that nation is surrounded by different peoples and nations. Now the dragon that comes up out of the [earth / land / desert,] it also is a [beast / nation;] but is comes up in a wilderness area, after the first [beast / nation.] And yes, the first beast, it becomes a leader of 10 nations.

2 dragons?????? Using the bible can you show me 2 seperate different dragons??????????/

Look bro,,,,the beast in revelation 13:11 is satan,,not a nation ,, not a group ,,,not a system,,,,,IT IS SATAN.....pretending to be the Lord Jesus Christ......

 

[JudaicChristian]

2 dragons?????? Using the bible can you show me 2 seperate different dragons??????????/

Look bro,,,,the beast in revelation 13:11 is satan,,not a nation ,, not a group ,,,not a system,,,,,IT IS SATAN.....pretending to be the Lord Jesus Christ......

Behemoth is the dragon of the land, and Leviathan is the dragon of the sea.
Job 40:15
"Look at the Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox.
Job 3:8
May those who curse days curse that day, those who are ready to rouse Leviathan.

Job 41:1
"Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope?

Psalm 74:14
It was you who crushed the head of Leviathan and gave him as food to the creatures of the desert.

Psalm 104:26
There the ships go to and fro, and the leviathan, which you formed to frolic there.

Isaiah 27:1
[ Deliverance of Israel ] In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.

Revelation 12:3
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.

Revelation 12:4
His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. Job 3:8
May those who curse days curse that day, those who are ready to rouse Leviathan.

Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Revelation 12:13
When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

Revelation 12:16
But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

Revelation 12:17
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Revelation 13:1
And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.

Revelation 13:2
[ The Beast out of the Sea ] And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

Revelation 13:4
Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"

Revelation 13:11
[ The Beast out of the Earth ] Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.

Revelation 16:13
Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Job 26:13
By his breath the skies became fair; his hand pierced the gliding serpent.

Psalm 91:13
You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

Isaiah 27:1
[ Deliverance of Israel ] In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.

Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Revelation 12:14
The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.

Revelation 12:15
Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.

Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

 

[(THE)]

2 dragons?????? Using the bible can you show me 2 seperate different dragons??????????/

Look bro,,,,the beast in revelation 13:11 is satan,,not a nation ,, not a group ,,,not a system,,,,,IT IS SATAN.....pretending to be the Lord Jesus Christ......

Behemoth is the dragon of the land, and Leviathan is the dragon of the sea.
Job 40:15
"Look at the Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox.
Job 3:8
May those who curse days curse that day, those who are ready to rouse Leviathan.

Job 41:1
"Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope?

Psalm 74:14
It was you who crushed the head of Leviathan and gave him as food to the creatures of the desert.

Psalm 104:26
There the ships go to and fro, and the leviathan, which you formed to frolic there.

Isaiah 27:1
[ Deliverance of Israel ] In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.

Revelation 12:3
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.

Revelation 12:4
His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. Job 3:8
May those who curse days curse that day, those who are ready to rouse Leviathan.

Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Revelation 12:13
When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

Revelation 12:16
But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

Revelation 12:17
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Revelation 13:1
And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.

Revelation 13:2
[ The Beast out of the Sea ] And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

Revelation 13:4
Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"

Revelation 13:11
[ The Beast out of the Earth ] Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.

Revelation 16:13
Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Job 26:13
By his breath the skies became fair; his hand pierced the gliding serpent.

Psalm 91:13
You will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

Isaiah 27:1
[ Deliverance of Israel ] In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.

Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Revelation 12:14
The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.

Revelation 12:15
Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent.

Revelation 20:2
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Job 40:15; "Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth the grass like an ox."

Job 40:16 "Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly."

Job 40:17 "He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

Dinosaur.,...........

 

[JudaicChristian]

Dinosaur.,...........

Dinosaur is a modern word for a large lizard. What you are reading are parables. The two different dragons are societies, generally speaking.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Are we all agreed that the commandments and the sabbath is The Seal of God in the New Covenant? If so, then perhaps we now can now discuss the mark of the beast.

 

[(THE)]

Are we all agreed that the commandments and the sabbath is The Seal of God in the New Covenant? If so, then perhaps we now can now discuss the mark of the beast.

NO...........

I dont think you understand what our sabbath is...........

Commandments???????? There are many that follow the commandments,,,,but do not have the seal of God.........

Can you actually start proving what you are saying??????? Or at least put it together with verse by verse commentary,,,,,becasues I dont know what your talking about alot of the time........

 

[JudaicChristian]

Are we all agreed that the commandments and the sabbath is The Seal of God in the New Covenant? If so, then perhaps we now can now discuss the mark of the beast.

NO...........

I dont think you understand what our sabbath is...........

Commandments???????? There are many that follow the commandments,,,,but do not have the seal of God.........

Can you actually start proving what you are saying??????? Or at least put it together with verse by verse commentary,,,,,becasues I dont know what your talking about alot of the time........

I think you should go back to page one and review all what has been said. Then if you still have a question, ask then.

 

[Geo]

Or read a summery of Bible essentials all on 1 page:

The Mark of The Beast
http://www.avoiceinthewilderness.org/pr ... mon28.html

that's non-denominational

 

[JudaicChristian]

Do we have Christians here that dont care what The Seal of God is?

 

[Elijah674]

so Jesus could not keep God's laws perfectly because he was in the flesh? no, He came to prove to us that only through grace and faith is obedience possible. we are to follow his example without compromise, and when you compromise in your mind that it is impossible, it WILL become impossible for you, and you are not following in the footsteps of Christ.

Maybe you can share with me one person (just one) besides Christ who was or has been able to follow the law without mistake.....

OK: So we do have a problem! THAT OF MATURING INTO PERFECTION! Open Know sin leads to IN/MATURITY in a BANG! James 1:15 tells us when it is FINISHED it bringeth forth DEATH! (Obad. 1:16) And what makes Christianity MATURE to be safe to save?? Nah. 1:9 First it was the POWER OF CHRIST'S GRACE! Now Read of Psalms 19:13's PRESUMPTION which leads one on to the Great Transgression! (we know what is right or wrong)
And read Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9.. anything less is for me toi be a cop/out, presumption!

OK: It is not the one or two sins that are FATAL and the SIN UNTO DEATH, but the FLAGRANT KNOWN TEACHING OF KNOWN SIN that [[leads onward & upward to the Hardened heart to where the Holy Spirit just CANNOT MOVE THEM! See Gen. 6:3

Go to 1 John 5:16-17 and study these verses. There is a sin not unto death. And when FINISHED? It is the sin unto death.
--Elijah

 

[yepimonfire]

anyone who has thoroughly read the new testament knows that it clearly explains the seal is the fruits of the spirit that set us apart from the world, and yes, keeping gods commandments, and the correct sabbath day are also a part of it, the bible explains itself, also christians need to stop celebrating pagan holidays, Mathew 15:9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. nowhere in the bible did god ever give us permission to change the day of the sabbath, or replace his 7 holy days with our man-made, paganistic holidays (xmas etc), i challenge everyone on this forum to forget what your pastors preach, forget what everyone else beleives, and open your bibles and see for yourself what the gospel is really about. i hate to be blunt but im very afraid many proffessing christians wear the mark of the beast and dont even realise it, remember God is unchanging, therefore, his symbology in the bible is unchanging, therefore, having the seal upon the brow, and the seal upon the hand of his convenant, and his commandments would serve as both a seal for the righteous, and for those professing christ to not keep them would be wearing the mark.

i have been researching the whole buy, and sell thing and will add more information later once i get my facts straight

 

[parousia70]

anyone who has thoroughly read the new testament knows .........

If that were true for ANYTHING, there would be no Christian Forums....

 

[JudaicChristian]

anyone who has thoroughly read the new testament knows that it clearly explains the seal is the fruits of the spirit that set us apart from the world, and yes, keeping gods commandments, and the correct sabbath day are also a part of it, the bible explains itself, also christians need to stop celebrating pagan holidays, Mathew 15:9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. nowhere in the bible did god ever give us permission to change the day of the sabbath, or replace his 7 holy days with our man-made, paganistic holidays (xmas etc), i challenge everyone on this forum to forget what your pastors preach, forget what everyone else beleives, and open your bibles and see for yourself what the gospel is really about. i hate to be blunt but im very afraid many proffessing christians wear the mark of the beast and dont even realise it, remember God is unchanging, therefore, his symbology in the bible is unchanging, therefore, having the seal upon the brow, and the seal upon the hand of his convenant, and his commandments would serve as both a seal for the righteous, and for those professing christ to not keep them would be wearing the mark.

i have been researching the whole buy, and sell thing and will add more information later once i get my facts straight

I my self am a Non-Pagan Christian. I know people who are Pagan Christians, and some even belong to covens. They never listen to what I say. No matter how many facts I present, they always say that is your opinion.