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The Simplicity of the Gospel

miamited said:
Hi Robert Pate

I'm not sure that applies to all fellowships. I certainly do believe that Judaism has molded a lot of current christian practices because, well, the entire Scriptures, except for maybe Luke's writings and maybe the writer of Hebrews, since we can't be positive who wrote that book, came to us from God through the Jew. There is absolutely nothing that I know that I know about God that I didn't learn because faithful Jewish men wrote down God's word for us.

You see, God wrote a book, but He raised up the line of Jews from the loins of Abraham to do it. They did it!!! Despite their hard hearts and rebellious ways, God used a few faithful Jews to deliver to you and me all of the 'facts' about Him that any of us can know is the truth about Him.

God bless,
Ted
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The only apostle that really understood what God had accomplished in Jesus Christ was the apostle Paul. Paul knew more about Judaism and the law than all of the other apostles put together.

Paul was a New Covenant Christian. The other apostles were influenced by Judaism and the law. Because Paul's ministry was to the Gentiles Paul had to know more than the other apostles. You will not find much about the Gospel and justification by faith in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
 
HI Robert Pate
Robert Pate said:
The only apostle that really understood what God had accomplished in Jesus Christ was the apostle Paul. Paul knew more about Judaism and the law than all of the other apostles put together.

Paul was a New Covenant Christian. The other apostles were influenced by Judaism and the law. Because Paul's ministry was to the Gentiles Paul had to know more than the other apostles. You will not find much about the Gospel and justification by faith in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
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And yet...it was Peter who preached the gospel to a group Jews, where 5,000 came to believe.

While I can appreciate your liking Paul a lot. He does represent most of us in our coming to faith. I'm just not confident with telling someone
The only apostle that really understood what God had accomplished in Jesus Christ was the apostle Paul.
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Without some testimony of the Scriptures to back it up. Now, I absolutely agree that of all the first disciples, Paul's written work provides our greatest look into the establishment of the Lord's church upon the earth. His writings also give us the greatest examples of how we should use the word of God to gain wisdom and understanding of the things we do everyday. But really, can you prove that he necessarily 'understood what God had accomplished in Jesus' more than any of the others who had given years of their lives being taught by him.

God bless,
Ted
 
Hi again Robert Pate
Robert Pate said:
Paul was a New Covenant Christian. The other apostles were influenced by Judaism and the law. Because Paul's ministry was to the Gentiles Paul had to know more than the other apostles.
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What?!?!?!?

Paul was as much a born and bred Jew as any of the other apostles. He was a Pharisee!!!! You don't think, that if there were anyone whose testimony might be damaged because they were previously a Jew, it would be PAUL? OK.

And I honestly don't understand how you can make some claim that just because Paul's ministry was to the Gentiles he had to know more than the others. Huh????

Why would that be?

Honestly, your study seems to be founded on a lot of 'assumptions' that are not in evidence.

Yes, Paul was, especially for us Gentiles, a wonderful teacher and spreader of God's word and His purpose, all over the world. But I'm not sure I can say with any surety of truth, that he knew more about what God had accomplished in the work of our means of salvation than the other disciples who had walked with Jesus. You see, I happen to believe that when they saw Jesus walk into that upper room; and they were having breakfast of fish with him after they had seen him dead and buried...their understanding of a lot of what Jesus had been teaching them became solid truth in their hearts.

God bless,
Ted
 
miamited said:
HI Robert Pate

And yet...it was Peter who preached the gospel to a group Jews, where 5,000 came to believe.

While I can appreciate your liking Paul a lot. He does represent most of us in our coming to faith. I'm just not confident with telling someone

Without some testimony of the Scriptures to back it up. Now, I absolutely agree that of all the first disciples, Paul's written work provides our greatest look into the establishment of the Lord's church upon the earth. His writings also give us the greatest examples of how we should use the word of God to gain wisdom and understanding of the things we do everyday. But really, can you prove that he necessarily 'understood what God had accomplished in Jesus' more than any of the others who had given years of their lives being taught by him.

God bless,
Ted
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Peter was a problem Child. The Gospel that Peter taught on the day of Pentecost was more about the Lordship of Jesus Christ than justification by faith. Peter told them that they had crucified their Messiah, Acts 2:23. Paul had to teach the other apostles about the Gospel that he has received from Jesus, Galatians 1:11-12.

Paul had a problem with Peter and Barnabas because they didn't understand the Gospel Galatians 2:11-21. Paul also had a problem with James because he wanted to circumcise Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-21. It took time for the Gospel to be accepted.
 
Robert Pate said:
Peter was a problem Child. The Gospel that Peter taught on the day of Pentecost was more about the Lordship of Jesus Christ than justification by faith. Peter told them that they had crucified their Messiah, Acts 2:23. Paul had to teach the other apostles about the Gospel that he has received from Jesus, Galatians 1:11-12.

Paul had a problem with Peter and Barnabas because they didn't understand the Gospel Galatians 2:11-21. Paul also had a problem with James because he wanted to circumcise Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-21. It took time for the Gospel to be accepted.
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Alright! And that's how the use of Scripture allows iron to sharpen iron. I give you that you have a legitimate point that there were times that Paul does seem to show a better understanding, not so much of the gospel, but the freedom that it now gives us from the law.

God bless,
Ted
 
miamited said:
Alright! And that's how the use of Scripture allows iron to sharpen iron. I give you that you have a legitimate point that there were times that Paul does seem to show a better understanding, not so much of the gospel, but the freedom that it now gives us from the law.

God bless,
Ted
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Paul was a scholar; the other apostles were tax collectors and fishermen. Paul having been a Pharisee knew what the law demanded, which was perfection. Paul's epistles supersede the writings of the other apostles because he was a New Covenant Christian. The others had been influenced by the Old Covenant and Judaism.
 
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