jaybird
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you really didnt provide any. Eve is the mother of all living and Adam dies? our soul comes from Eve?Why don't you deal with the biblical evidence I provided that demonstrated that a human being/soul DOES NOT have a pre-existence?
i did and posted some. cherry pick lol umm . . . ok, i prefer to read the scriptures and not read them through the man made doctrine filters.Please use ALL of the Scripture to reach your conclusions and not cherry-pick verses.
it went back to the Father where according to you it did not exist.Acts 7:59 (NIV) states: 'While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."' So where did Stephen's inner being go at death? Back to the Lord Jesus' presence because he was a believer.
Here we have an interesting OT verse that speaks of what happens at death: Ecclesiastes 12:7 (ESV), “And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it”. Other translations are: “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it” (KJV); “and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it” (NIV).
Some who support annihilation for the unbeliever at death want to translate ‘spirit’ as ‘breath’. None of these translations (quoted above) uses “breath” instead of “spirit”. Why? Because that is not what the word means in context. See the support for “spirit” translated as “breath” by the Seventh-Day Adventists HERE.
How do we know that “spirit” in Eccl. 12:7 does not mean “breath”?
If we look at the context in Eccl. 12:5, it states what is happening at death, “Man is going to his eternal home, and the mourners go about the streets” (ESV). What happens at death as breath ceases is not what is stated in Eccl. 12. It is referring to human beings going to their “eternal home”, which means at death, “The dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it” (ESV). How do we know?
Eccl. 3:21 asks, “Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?” (KJV). The implication is that the spirit of beasts perishes with the body (goeth downward to the earth), but the human spirit survives death (as in Eccl. 12:5-7). It is inaccurate contextually to say that “the breath of man goeth upward”. Why? Because at death, the breath ceases but the person lives on.
Psalm 104:29 also emphasises that the breath ceases at death: “Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust” (KJV). Cf. Gen. 3:19; Job 10:9; Ps. 90:3; 103:14; and Eccl. 3:20.
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breath/spirit/soul, i will call it that part of you that returns to the Most High. the bible is pretty clear that this part of us does not fizzle out into non existence, it says it returns to where it came from, where IMO it existed before.