Bible Study The Straight and narrow now looks curvy like a snake.

[Douglas Summers]

Yes, we do have to be alert to the false teaching that is sown by liberal theological institutions of academia. However, I'm just as concerned about the false teaching that comes in local churches and here on the Internet.

I've mentioned examples such as Open Theism, but there are more:

• Promoters of annihilationism;
• Advocates of soul sleep (SDA);
• Those who deny hell (like Rob Bell);
• The prosperity 'gospel' (Prosperity Gospel has gone Viral);

Oz

Yes, I agree. That is what the Spirit of the Lord expects of us and is in us to earnestly contend for the Faith. I believe there are more of them than there are of us. But we have the power of the Holy Spirit , putting on the full armor of God. (Eph. 6: 12-18).

 

[Douglas Summers]

over come or usurp about the same thing in my thoughts... He told us this would happen 'they' do notu usurp His authority ... by doing what He said they would..

Yes I agree, I in no way meant that they replaced Christ authority, but that they put themselves between man and God as if by Christ authority. Much like the Sadducees and Pharisees. They knew who He was but wanted the praises of men and the seats in the High places as Satan wanted. (pride)
. To take the place of (another) without legal authority; supplant.
v.intr.
To seize another's place, authority, or possession wrongfully.

 

[Sinthesis]

Since when was any false teaching unimportant? Who decides which is important and which is unimportant false teaching?

False doctrine isn't important when it doesn't contradict the fundamentals of the Christian faith. Most denominations are baseed on differences in non essential doctrine, of which some may be false. For example, KJV only is a false doctrine, but it won't damn those who hold to it.

 

[Douglas Summers]

False doctrine isn't important when it doesn't contradict the fundamentals of the Christian faith. Most denominations are baseed on differences in non essential doctrine, of which some may be false. For example, KJV only is a false doctrine, but it won't damn those who hold to it.

I am not sure what you are saying? Explain or give an example by Scripture.

 

[reba]

Not speaking for Sinthesis .. He is much better with words ...
A couple of questions which to me explain what he is saying..
Do you ( anyone) believe exactly as you did when first saved?
My answer ... No i dont, some of the things i believed have proven out to not be so.. a false doctrine ... was i saved when i believed that YES
One side or the other of OSAS is false .. are those who believe the different view then you are they damned ?
or is some one like me who is kinda in the middle on that topic double dammed?

 

[jasonc]

I'm not into futurism.some say I'm a false prophet

 

[OzSpen]

False doctrine isn't important when it doesn't contradict the fundamentals of the Christian faith. Most denominations are baseed on differences in non essential doctrine, of which some may be false. For example, KJV only is a false doctrine, but it won't damn those who hold to it.

Why don't you provide us with examples of these unimportant false doctrines so that we know what you are referring to? What makes KJV-only a false doctrine?

 

[OzSpen]

Hi Ozspen,

Are you not in the U.S.? I cannot speak to other countries, but in the U.S. God is trampled underfoot.
Things were going a lot better here when the Pledge of Allegiance (to the U.S.) was recited every morning before school began- and I think a prayer was said too; cannot remember that as well.

I can even agree that schools are secular and maybe God should not be taught there or even mentioned there,
but things were a lot better when you COULD mention God! I believe this would be one of the items on Douglas' list of things that have changed for the worse.

Not to speak of our universities. Kids have been failed and reprimanded because they insisted on their rights to be in favor of creationism, and thusly, God. We all must know someone this has happened to and we hear about it on the news all the time (in conservative outlets).

So I'd say that not teaching religion would be okay, but trampling God underfoot is not okay. Do we Christians not have the equal right to believe without being ridiculed and/or scolded? Do only secularists/atheists have the right NOT to believe?

Wondering

Wondering, I live in Brisbane, Qld., Australia. However, I've lived for 7 years in the USA and Canada (mostly USA) with my family back in the 1970s and 1980s. If you think God is trampled underfoot in the USA, come to Australia and you'll get an even more severe dose.

You might like to read this article, 'Belief In God: Is The New Atheism Influencing Australians?' It states:

While 60 per cent of Australians said they had not changed their belief in or rejection of God, another 20 per cent had changed what they believed and another 20 per cent were not sure if they had changed or not:

• 21% said they don’t believe in God now and never have;
• 16% say they don’t believe in God, but used to;
• 4% say they believe in God now, but didn’t used to;
• 39% say they believe in God and always have; and
• 20% said they could not choose or did not answer the question.

In other words, for every person who had moved from not believing to believing in God, four Australians had moved in the opposite direction.​

One leading Australian mass media magnate, Kerry Packer, who had a near-death experience 15 years before his actual death in 2005, said of the near-death experience, 'I've been on the other side and let me tell you, son, there's [expletive] nothing there' (source). He said this over and over.

I agree that things were better when we could mention God in the classroom, but when a teacher does not believe in God, who is the God or god being referred to?

I was in a USA university classroom in a biopsychology class when I questioned an issue in a text book and the professor said to me in front of the class, 'You views are [expletive]'. He later apologised to me privately for his language against me, but he never said a word of apology in front of the class. I know what it's like, from personal experience, to be intimidated and assaulted for my faith in a USA class.

I believe Christians do have equal rights not to be ridiculed for their faith when engaged in education. When this issue comes up, I have asked the professor if he would attack a Muslim student like that. The professors go silent. When I raise issues in letters-to-the-editor to my local newspaper about the discrimination against Christians, I ask a similar question about whether the paper would attack Muslims in the same way. Most often, the question about Muslims is censored if my letter is published. I had an example of this in a letter published this month in my local, weekly freebie.

Oz

 

[jasonc]

Yet it occurs.I'm not saying it's a sin only that it's our job not the state to raise kids. The state wants that job in america if we allow it,

 

[OzSpen]

When?
When it involves matters of conscience.
For example, clean/unclean foods, holy days--Romans 14.

So if a person, as a matter of conscience, believes that euthanasia and abortion are OK, we shouldn't bother them - because it is a conscience issue? Is that your position?

 

[OzSpen]

Yet it occurs.I'm not saying it's a sin only that it's our job not the state to raise kids. The state wants that job in america if we allow it,

To whom are you replying? Would you please extend to us this courtesy by back-quoting?

 

[jasonc]

To whom are you replying? Would you please extend to us this courtesy by back-quoting?

You.I can't say for Australia, but in some states it's very anti christian.my county it's neutral but in my youth it wasn't.I remember the ten commandments in School and prayer after the pledge by staff.

 

[childeye]

I believe the straight and narrow has never changed, even as God has not changed. It is by a spiritual impetus that one walks the path according to the Holy Spirit. To Love one another as you would want to be Loved.

 

[OzSpen]

Yet it occurs.I'm not saying it's a sin only that it's our job not the state to raise kids. The state wants that job in america if we allow it,

At times we need the State to intervene to protect children in abusive situations. We have a Dept. of Child Safety (Human Services) that does this here in Qld with children in care (foster care). We need such a govt arrangement - sadly.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

So if a person, as a matter of conscience, believes that euthanasia and abortion are OK, we shouldn't bother them - because it is a conscience issue? Is that your position?

No, that is not my position.

You asked when false doctrine is unimportant, and who decides what false doctrine is important, and what is not. I answered your question from the Bible, but it seems you want to distort my answer by making it appear I said all matters of conscience are unimportant doctrinal matters. I did not say that, nor did I even remotely suggest it. I gave you examples from Paul's teaching to show false teaching that is unimportant, and since Paul said it, showed you who decided it was not important.

There is no such thing as a false teaching that is not important.

As I showed you, Paul disagrees with you. And don't twist it to mean all matters of conscience don't matter.

 

[jasonc]

At times we need the State to intervene to protect children in abusive situations. We have a Dept. of Child Safety (Human Services) that does this here in Qld with children in care (foster care). We need such a govt arrangement - sadly.

I know that but this is beyond that.the state of ky has banned pastors in prisons ministering to gay youth who voluntarily seek their council.I highly doubt if jacI becomes a lesbian and I tell her no girls in my home the state will let fly or simply tell her it's a sin.it's being pushed in the uk that creationism is child abuse

 

[Roro1972]

Thank you, Oz, for posting these.

We have amongst our membership new Christians as well as some Christians who do not have easy access to a Bible.

A full discussion of false doctrines and practices is quite welcome, and I'm pleased Douglas Summers has started the discussion.

I do not understand you saying some do not have easy access to a Bible; if they can read this forum then they have access to many bibles online. So maybe I misunderstood your meaning

 

[th1b.taylor]

Please provide a link that confirms this research.

http://www.homeschool.com/new/faq.asp Click on "Will my child be able to get into College if they are Home Schooled? on the FAQs bars.

Homeschoolers Score Higher Than Average on ACT and SAT College Entrance Exams

Homeschoolers continue to exhibit academic excellence when compared to public school students and to national averages for college admissions tests.

The ACT college admission exam scores show homeschoolers consistently performing above the national level. In both 2002 and 2003, the national homeschool average was 22.5, while the national average was 20.8.

And from https://www.home-school.com/Articles/the-facts-are-in-homeschoolers-excel.php

The College Board, which administers the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) also notes the above-average performance of homeschoolers. In 2002, homeschoolers averaged 1092, 72 points higher than the national average of 1020. In 2001, homeschoolers scored 1100 on the SAT, compared to the national average of 1019. (2003 homeschool statistics are not yet available.)


I am not inclined to search the, now, thousands of links for the one from 1995 that breaks the percentages down but for the thinking person this should suffice.

 

[Douglas Summers]

nd

Not speaking for Sinthesis .. He is much better with words ...
A couple of questions which to me explain what he is saying..
Do you ( anyone) believe exactly as you did when first saved?
My answer ... No i dont, some of the things i believed have proven out to not be so.. a false doctrine ... was i saved when i believed that YES
One side or the other of OSAS is false .. are those who believe the different view then you are they damned ?
or is some one like me who is kinda in the middle on that topic double dammed?

I know what you are saying now, but there is no Scriptural teaching of such. A Christian can be in error, that is not condemned able, but those who Trespass (the intrusion of self will in the sphere of divine authority) after one has been told the truth, but disregards it. When I was saved, Doctrine was never an issue. I just believed and trusted God. It was after I was older that I felt I was at a dead end. I felt restless as a Christian, what was my purpose in the Salvation from the Lord? That is when I began to seek God's will and purpose, thus, Doctrine. Through trial and error with the Spirit and Godly teachers at Moody Bible Institute, I reached my calling and election and Doctrine. Not in one instance but over a period of learning time. So the answer to the question is, you can sin by error but not condemned, but under condemnenation by knowing the truth but lying about it. But any sinner can repent, but most likely not those with a hardened heart.

 

[OzSpen]

No, that is not my position.

You asked when false doctrine is unimportant, and who decides what false doctrine is important, and what is not. I answered your question from the Bible, but it seems you want to distort my answer by making it appear I said all matters of conscience are unimportant doctrinal matters. I did not say that, nor did I even remotely suggest it. I gave you examples from Paul's teaching to show false teaching that is unimportant, and since Paul said it, showed you who decided it was not important.


As I showed you, Paul disagrees with you. And don't twist it to mean all matters of conscience don't matter.

I was distorting nothing. I was seeking clarification.