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The Tribulation Period lasting for 7 years is a FALSE Doctri

Yes, Vick C., technically you're right about the Dan.9:27 verse not specifically declaring that one breaks the covenant confirmed for "one week". But his actions show that's what happens...

Dan 11:23
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
(KJV)

Dan 11:30-31
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
(KJV)

With understanding these later Dan.11 verses...

1. We know from the subject there of the one removing the daily sacrifice is also the one who sets up the abomination of desolation in the temple. That cannot involve our Lord Jesus, for our Lord Himself has never, and will never, setup an abomination (idol) for purpose of false worship. Antiochus fit the type for that "vile person" of Dan.11, for that's also what Antiochus did in 165-170 B.C.

2. The "league" that one makes is a separate agreement, and if it involves either Old or New Covenants, it must be the Old Covenant which supported sacrifices.

3. That "vile person", along with those with him who forsake the holy covenant then take away the daily sacrifice and place the abomination of desolation, which is the event Dan.9:27 says occurs in the middle of the symbolic "one week". That's where the idea of Dan.9:27 referring to that "league" being broken, or 'changed', comes from.

And the following is how those Daniel events relate to the one of Rev.13 as that "vile person", which Revelation gives us even more information about the abomination that's to be setup for false worship...

Rev 13:14-15
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
(KJV)

If this is meant to occur with the final Antichrist, a time just prior to our Lord Jesus Christ's return to this earth on 7th trump, which is when I believe it is meant for, then how can that play out in our near future? We have to be watching events going on in the world today firstly.

1. We're already seeing the forming up of a "one world government" system over all nations, even its open declaration by today's globalists. It's not complete yet, but is certainly on the edge of being complete. That's in alignment with the idea of the political beast system of Rev.13:1, involving a system of control over all peoples, nations, multitudes, and tongues.

2. In our century we've seen the same internationalist joining of the religious, with groups like the World Council Of Churches, and the various forms of Ecumnemicalism. That's aligning with the idea of the religious beast of Rev.13.

3. An orthodox group of Jews in Jerusalem today have the materials ready to build another temple in Jerusalem. That movement is picking up speed in Israel today. There are now Islamic leaders which support its buiding. It is planned to reinstitute the daily sacrifice, since that group of Jews still hold to the Old Covenant worship. For several years now, those Jews have been holding sacrifices on passover upon a hill overlooking the Temple Mount.

4. When the false messiah arrives (the final Antichrist), to fulfill Scripture, he will make that "league" of Dan.9 and 11, and confirm a reinstituted form of Old Covenant worship, which also requires a temple. That's the temple of Rev.11:1-2 which reveals those who worship therein, and the outer court given for the Gentiles to worship at, and they'll tread the holy city for 42 months (tribulation timing). That's in order to mimic the events of Ezekiel 40 forward about the Milennium Temple from which Christ and His elect will reign from later. I predict the probablity that many Christian pastors will begin declaring this period as proof of those Ezekiel chapters being fulfilled, with Christ having returned. But it will be a false messiah instead, the instead of or in place of Christ, which is what the word "antichrist" can also mean per the Greek.

5. In the middle of that "one week", the false messiah will end the daily sacrifice, and setup the abomination in the temple, the "image of the beast" which Rev.13 says all those who refuse to bow in worship to, should be killed.

There is plenty reason enough to see those events of prophecy meant for the times we're in today and our near future. Jews have returned to the holy land and established the state of Israel again (through U.N. Charter vote), an event unique in history since our Lord Jesus died on the cross. The forming up of a one world system that has become a public outward working only in the last century and a half. The Balfour Declaration helping the creation of the state of Israel, with the functioning premise of a lasting peace agreement with the nations surrounding Jerusalem. The eradication of enemies in the world that are against the idea of that lasting peace agreement (i.e., the real reason for the present war against radical religious extremists within all nations, especially Islamic nations). The present softening up of Islamic leaders who support the orthodox Jews in building another temple in Jerusalem. The advent of technology in this century only making it possible for 'all' nations to see the dead bodies of God's two witnesses laying in the street (plaza) of Jerusalem per Rev.11. The near complete alignment of the nations allied with the Gog and Magog army of Ezek.38 that are to come upon Jerusalem in final.
 
veteran said:
Dan 11:23
Dan 11:30-31

When the false messiah arrives (the final Antichrist), to fulfill Scripture, he will make that "league" of Dan.9 and 11, and confirm a reinstituted form of Old Covenant worship, which also requires a temple.


Why do you think the vision Daniel had in the 9th chapter deals with the vision he had in the 11th chapter?

They are two DIFFERENT visions about two DIFFERNT events!

Start in the 10th chapter and you will see;

Dan.10
[14] Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days

What Daniel was reading in the 9th chapter had to do with the books of Jeremiah.

Dan.9
[2] In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

And this is what THAT vision was about;

[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

"thy people", "thy holy city" and "the most Holy"

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Eccl12and13 said:
Why do you think the vision Daniel had in the 9th chapter deals with the vision he had in the 11th chapter?

They are two DIFFERENT visions about two DIFFERNT events!

Start in the 10th chapter and you will see;

Dan.10
[14] Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days

What Daniel was reading in the 9th chapter had to do with the books of Jeremiah.

Dan.10:14 shows us what follows affects what people? His people, but for the latter days. Dan.12:4 is another connection to that idea. But all this is still about the fulfillment of the final "one week" of the 70 weeks prophecy. It is solid proof that the final "one week" was meant for the very end of this world, the time just prior to Christ's return to this earth.

It is not a totally separate idea apart from the 70 weeks prophecy, for even Dan.12:11 again mentions the removing of the daily sacrifice and setting up of the abomination of desolation. Dan.12 also gives timing past the 1260 days, even for those who come to the 1335 days being blessed. And in Dan.12:4 Daniel is told to seal up that last vision for the time of the end.

In Dan.10:13, we're given some Heavenly parallels, for it speaks of the angel being held 21 days by the "prince of the kingdom of Persia" until the angel Michael came and helped him. Who do you think that prince of Persia there represents? It's a metaphor for the devil as used there. In Dan.10:21, Daniel is told there is none that holdeth with him (the angel) except Michael. That's the subject Paul was talking about in 2 Thess.2 about the one that will be revealed being withheld until his time.
 
Personally, I don't have to worry about the tribulation since I won't be here. I will more than likely be dead before that since no man in my family lives past age 70, and I'm just over 6 years away from that age. I hope I'm not here that long; I'm homesick.

Also, even if I don't die before the tribulation, I will be taken up to meet the Lord in the air just prior to that time as it says in 1 Thess. chapter 4, to forever be with the Lord. The tribulation is for the unbelievers, although there will be many saved duting the tribulation. They will be the believers who are persecuted and/or martyred for their faith.
 
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand?
Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

It's no problem. Jerusalem was already surrounded, had a trench built around it, most everyone inside was killed, and the city was leveled.

End tribulation/vengeance/great affliction. If we had a time machine, we could surely go back and watch it. Lol.
 
The 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies does not fit the Ezekiel 38-39 nation alignment which God says will come up against Israel in final. As a matter of fact, that Ezekiel 38-39 event has yet to fit ANY great army coming out of the nothern quarters upon Israel.

So which surrounding armies was our Lord Jesus really talking about in Luke 21? Definitely not the Roman armies, because the very last siege of Jerusalem is about the Ezekiel 38-39 armies of Gog and its allies like Persia, Libya, Ethiopia, Togarmah, Gomer, armies of nations listed there that don't even include the Romans. It's that battle of Hamongog in Ezekiel that ushers us into Christ's future Milennium reign, which Ezek.40 forward describes.
 
The 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies does not fit the Ezekiel 38-39 nation alignment which God says will come up against Israel in final.

It fits what Jesus said would happen to Jerusalem in Matt, Mark, and Luke though.

Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Happened already.
 
veteran said:
The 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies does not fit the Ezekiel 38-39 nation alignment which God says will come up against Israel in final. As a matter of fact, that Ezekiel 38-39 event has yet to fit ANY great army coming out of the nothern quarters upon Israel.

So which surrounding armies was our Lord Jesus really talking about in Luke 21? Definitely not the Roman armies, because the very last siege of Jerusalem is about the Ezekiel 38-39 armies of Gog and its allies like Persia, Libya, Ethiopia, Togarmah, Gomer, armies of nations listed there that don't even include the Romans. It's that battle of Hamongog in Ezekiel that ushers us into Christ's future Milennium reign, which Ezek.40 forward describes.

Absolutely correct......
 
Started reading,,,,and came acroos this obvious err,,,so there is no way the rest of the post can be correct with understaning this.....

26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

"Messiah" of course is refering to Jesus Christ,,,I think we all understand that.....Messiah (Christ) will be cut off......So Messiah has been cut off,,,and a prince comes in His place.....Now the prince is not Messiah because Mesiah has been cut off,,,,lets continue with this prince.......

[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

And he (prince) shall confirm the covenant and shall cause the sacrfice and oblation to cease,,,,,How hard is it to understand that the prince and the Messiah are 2 different people,,,,,how hard is it to understand the prince is satan and the Messiah is Christ.....
 
Dan. 9:25 has established who the Prince! in this passage is. It is also common to referred to at Christ his first coming, as being the Prince of Peace.

Now that is out of the way. Up until the reformation, and its corruption the accepted teaching that 9:27, was referring to Christ! was general taught. You cannot take one scripture, and form a doctrine or opinion on it. You must look at the whole passage, chapter, or sometimes book.

The Bible must interpret itself, if not the doctrine cannot be substantiated. Modern scholarship is sadly nothing more than a bunch of “talking headsâ€, who do not think for themselves, but only repeat the popular interpretation. Modern corruptions of the Bible also show they no longer are led by the Holy Spirit, so who can believe anything they say.

I will challenge anyone here to prove a 7 year tribulation, by the Bible. Scripture does not support it. :)
 
samuel said:
Dan. 9:25 has established who the Prince! in this passage is. It is also common to referred to at Christ his first coming, as being the Prince of Peace.

Now that is out of the way. Up until the reformation, and its corruption the accepted teaching that 9:27, was referring to Christ! was general taught. You cannot take one scripture, and form a doctrine or opinion on it. You must look at the whole passage, chapter, or sometimes book.

The Bible must interpret itself, if not the doctrine cannot be substantiated. Modern scholarship is sadly nothing more than a bunch of “talking headsâ€, who do not think for themselves, but only repeat the popular interpretation. Modern corruptions of the Bible also show they no longer are led by the Holy Spirit, so who can believe anything they say.

I will challenge anyone here to prove a 7 year tribulation, by the Bible. Scripture does not support it. :)

Yes Prince of Peace does refer to the Christ,,,but the "prince" spoken of here is satan...Note: Christ was cut off,,,then the prince entered,,,a very easy text to understand..........

Out of the way?????? huh ,,,,you proved nothing.......again the text makes it clear,,,,one would have to be confused on what oblation is,,,, to call satan Christ.........

Shall we let the Hebrew clear this up???????????
 
You are doing nothing more, then the rest of the talking heads, repeating what you have been taught. Do you understand how Hebrew writings are done?. Not the language, but the way in which they wrote.

It is common to write about something in Hebrew, skip ahead, and return to the original subject in the following statement. That is what has been done in Dan. 9:25-27.

When God sent the Babylonian armies on Jerusalem, he referred to them as my army. As they were the instrument of his judgment on Israel. The same has been stated in 9:26, as the army of the Prince. You do know that commas, periods, and other grammatical markings are an invention of gentile doings. The comma should have been after Prince, in Dan. 9:25. Titus, and the Roman armies fulfilled that verse in AD 70.
 
Another not commonly known, or taught fact; is that also one of the Abominations of desolation occurred in AD 70. The Roman armies under Titus were so upset at the Jews, because it took them three years to rout them, that they stood a statue of Jupiter up in the Temple! before proceeding to burn it to the ground. Titus himself tried to stop them, but seeing as he was one, and they were many, he could not.

This is historical fact, from the writings of Josephus, who was a Jewish historian.
Josephus also recorded that after the Temple was burnt, and every stone was thrown down, the Romans even plowed the ground. This of course! was in trying to recover the Gold melted into the ground, by the fire.
 
samuel said:
You are doing nothing more, then the rest of the talking heads, repeating what you have been taught. Do you understand how Hebrew writings are done?. Not the language, but the way in which they wrote.

It is common to write about something in Hebrew, skip ahead, and return to the original subject in the following statement. That is what has been done in Dan. 9:25-27.

When God sent the Babylonian armies on Jerusalem, he referred to them as my army. As they were the instrument of his judgment on Israel. The same has been stated in 9:26, as the army of the Prince. You do know that commas, periods, and other grammatical markings are an invention of gentile doings. The comma should have been after Prince, in Dan. 9:25. Titus, and the Roman armies fulfilled that verse in AD 70.

Funny I physically attend no church,,,all of my research comes straight from the bible using Hebrew,,,Greek,,,Chaldee,,,,Aramiac,,,,and what ever else needed to get to the truth,,,,YOu Need to check yourself Bro,,,,Im alway telling people listen to know man,,,I dont really have to pull a old post where I said it do I???????? Im the last person you should be coming at with some
"you were taught that speech",,,I DO MY OWN STUDYING!!!!!

Now many times when translating from Hebrew to English you lose a little something,,,but tou already know that correct??????????

This is another case of that very thing,,,,,,but you already know that too correct?????????

SO then you should know,,, that the Hebrew manuscripts read,, as the following

???????????? ???????? ?????????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ???????????? ??????????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ???????????? ????????? ?????? ??????? ????????????? ????????? ???? ???????? ?

SO lets translate (well im not doing the actual translating but here you go)

And he will make a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

DId you catch that?????????? On the wings of Abomination,,,,you do understand "abomination" is a bad thing correct???????

SO this "prince" that you think is Christ,,,,comes in on the wings of Abomination,,,so you my
mis-guided friend are saying Christ comes in on the wings on Abomination :shame :bigfrown

Properly translated it is the "abomination of the desolator" not a condition,,but an actual entity,,,this entity (satan) is the prince ,,,he is the desolator,,,and he is the "prince" mentioned in verse 27 chp 9 of the book of Daniel..........


You do know that commas, periods, and other grammatical markings are an invention of gentile doings. The comma should have been after Prince, in Dan. 9:25. Titus, and the Roman armies fulfilled that verse in AD 70.

You do know you have just been proved wrong regardless of where you believe the commas should have been placed.......Gentile doings????????? :confused Im using the manuscripts bro......

TItus???????? Shall I do the same thing with Ezekiel 37-39 and Zecheriah 14 that has been done here??????,,,to show you that the invasion of Titus was not the destrucion foretold in these books or Matthew 24 or Mark 13.......Seriously the lack of reading concerning Zecheriah 14 on this forum is astounding......
 
Notice in Luke the "abomination of desolation" is stated as "Jerusalem surrounded by armies," "desolation at hand." It's all the same thing in the 3 gospels, just worded differently.

Notice in all 3 gospels the plea from Jesus to get out of Judaea at that point.

Desolation = despoliation/lay waste/destruction.



Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:


Jerusalem was surrounded by armies approximately 40 years later. And it was desolated, i.e. laid waste.
 
all of my research comes straight from the bible using Hebrew,,,Greek,,,Chaldee,,,,Aramiac,,,,and what ever else needed to get to the truth

Therein is your problem, the rest of our modern Bible corrupters also study what they think they know from the Hebrew, and Greek. This is where such corruption! of scripture as you posted comes from. This is not from the KJV, and I do not accept it, this is an Alexandrian corruption.

And he will make a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

No one looks to the Spirit of God for the truth anymore, they think they have found it in a book. :lol Now if it pleases YOU, I have said all I care to on this subject.
 
samuel said:
all of my research comes straight from the bible using Hebrew,,,Greek,,,Chaldee,,,,Aramiac,,,,and what ever else needed to get to the truth

Therein is your problem, the rest of our modern Bible corrupters also study what they think they know from the Hebrew, and Greek. This is where such corruption! of scripture as you posted comes from. This is not from the KJV, and I do not accept it, this is an Alexandrian corruption.

[quote:1xgat6yo]And he will make a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

No one looks to the Spirit of God for the truth anymore, they think they have found it in a book. :lol Now if it pleases YOU, I have said all I care to on this subject.[/quote:1xgat6yo]

Ok cool,,,seeing how you havent said much of anything anyhow,,,,,I care less what you exectp,,,go anywhere you want talk to anyone you need too,,,,,,,The Hebrew Manuscripts cleary say "on the wings of abomination"

This is not from the KJV, and I do not accept it

YOu sound very lame,,,,There are many errors in the KJ bible,,,and why dont you close your trap go to the manuscripts and read it,,,,,then you can come tell me how you dont except the Hebrew manuscripts....and I can laugh and be done wit ya......

Therein is your problem, the rest of our modern Bible corrupters also study what they think they know from the Hebrew, and Greek.

WHo are you?????????? You got the nerve to try to tell me what my problem is,,,,,,seeing how you know nothing about me......I see you choose to avoid my earlier questions proving you know nothing about me........

DOes the Hebrew text say "on the wings of abomination or not?????????????????

If you say NO I will prove you wrong using all kind of different sources.......

If you say "YES" but still hold to your current view,,,thats says it all in itself........

So does the Hebrew Manuscripts say "On the wings of Abomination"?????????????????????


Also maybe you outta try reading the long letter written by the KJ writers telling the reader of the problems they had translating to english,,,I would post it for you,,but it wont fit.....

YOu people crack me up,,,,saying if its not from the KJ I wont except it,,,, but you havent even read the letter from the KJ alerting you on what to look for when reading there bible....LAME INDEED....
 
samuel said:
all of my research comes straight from the bible using Hebrew,,,Greek,,,Chaldee,,,,Aramiac,,,,and what ever else needed to get to the truth

Therein is your problem, the rest of our modern Bible corrupters also study what they think they know from the Hebrew, and Greek. This is where such corruption! of scripture as you posted comes from. This is not from the KJV, and I do not accept it, this is an Alexandrian corruption.

[quote:tjeh1w55]And he will make a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

No one looks to the Spirit of God for the truth anymore, they think they have found it in a book. :lol Now if it pleases YOU, I have said all I care to on this subject.[/quote:tjeh1w55]

No one looks to the Spirit of God for the truth anymore, they think they have found it in a book.

NO-one huh?????and you can say this because you know everyone correct??????

Huh ,,yea,,, the spirit does reveal itself through the Book of God......So shall I conclude you dont have the spirit since your ignorance concerning the obvious has made ytou say Christ comes in on the wing of Abomination..........
 
researcher said:
Notice in Luke the "abomination of desolation" is stated as "Jerusalem surrounded by armies," "desolation at hand." It's all the same thing in the 3 gospels, just worded differently.

Notice in all 3 gospels the plea from Jesus to get out of Judaea at that point.

Desolation = despoliation/lay waste/destruction.



Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:


Jerusalem was surrounded by armies approximately 40 years later. And it was desolated, i.e. laid waste.

But,,,,,,Long before the book of Luke it is concluded that the "Abomination of Desolation" is actually the "Abomination of the Desolator" which makes the subject about an entity not a conditon....

Yes the plea was to get out of Judea,,,but we cant stop reading there.....Lets contiune

22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

So in 70ad all things that are written should have been fulfilled,,,,but nay,,, we are in the year 2009,,still looking forward to prophecy..........Magog and gog has not happened Christ has not returned,,,we are yet to see of the 2 Witts,,,,,the antichrist has not arrived,,,heck the 1 world order isnt complete.....

If 70ad was the destruction foretold of Christ and Zecheriah,,,these things just mentioned would have passed already...........
 
(THE) said:
researcher said:
Notice in Luke the "abomination of desolation" is stated as "Jerusalem surrounded by armies," "desolation at hand." It's all the same thing in the 3 gospels, just worded differently.

Notice in all 3 gospels the plea from Jesus to get out of Judaea at that point.

Desolation = despoliation/lay waste/destruction.



Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:


Jerusalem was surrounded by armies approximately 40 years later. And it was desolated, i.e. laid waste.

But,,,,,,Long before the book of Luke it is concluded that the "Abomination of Desolation" is actually the "Abomination of the Desolator" which makes the subject about an entity not a conditon....

Yes the plea was to get out of Judea,,,but we cant stop reading there.....Lets contiune

22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

So in 70ad all things that are written should have been fulfilled,,,,but nay,,, we are in the year 2009,,still looking forward to prophecy..........Magog and gog has not happened Christ has not returned,,,we are yet to see of the 2 Witts,,,,,the antichrist has not arrived,,,heck the 1 world order isnt complete.....

If 70ad was the destruction foretold of Christ and Zecheriah,,,these things just mentioned would have passed already...........

You don't think Matthew, Mark and Luke are talking about the same things there?
 
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