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[(THE)]

Notice in Luke the "abomination of desolation" is stated as "Jerusalem surrounded by armies," "desolation at hand." It's all the same thing in the 3 gospels, just worded differently.

Notice in all 3 gospels the plea from Jesus to get out of Judaea at that point.

Desolation = despoliation/lay waste/destruction.


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:


Jerusalem was surrounded by armies approximately 40 years later. And it was desolated, i.e. laid waste.

But,,,,,,Long before the book of Luke it is concluded that the "Abomination of Desolation" is actually the "Abomination of the Desolator" which makes the subject about an entity not a conditon....

Yes the plea was to get out of Judea,,,but we cant stop reading there.....Lets contiune

22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

So in 70ad all things that are written should have been fulfilled,,,,but nay,,, we are in the year 2009,,still looking forward to prophecy..........Magog and gog has not happened Christ has not returned,,,we are yet to see of the 2 Witts,,,,,the antichrist has not arrived,,,heck the 1 world order isnt complete.....

If 70ad was the destruction foretold of Christ and Zecheriah,,,these things just mentioned would have passed already...........

You don't think Matthew, Mark and Luke are talking about the same things there?

Yea I think they are :yes ,,,but there are a few differances but basically Christ has given us 7 events to look for,,,,those can be linked to the seals/trumps,,,and it doesnt work if the destruction was in 70ad,,,actually I would have to disregard a big chunk of Revelation,,,,alot of Ezekiel,,Jeremiah 24,,,,and so on to get the 70ad date to fit.......

 

[researcher]

Also, you believe there will be a third temple built, and then destroyed?

 

[(THE)]

Also, you believe there will be a third temple built, and then destroyed?

Well of course we are the temple as believers in Christ,,,but I do believe antichrist/satan will stand in some kind of temple an claim he is Christ returned......But I do not look for a physical temple being built to signal antichrist has arrived (satan is surely sharper then that)

 

[researcher]

Also, you believe there will be a third temple built, and then destroyed?

Well of course we are the temple as believers in Christ,,,but I do believe antichrist/satan will stand in some kind of temple an claim he is Christ returned......But I do not look for a physical temple being built to signal antichrist has arrived (satan is surely sharper then that)

OK, so, no literal third temple. That would mean that the verses below are describing the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. If there is no third temple, then those verses have been fulfilled.

Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Luk 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Mat 24:1 And going out, Jesus left the temple. And His disciples came to show Him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 But Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, There will not at all be left one stone on a stone which in no way will not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be? And, What is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?

Mar 13:1 And as He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, Teacher, Behold! What kind of stones and what kind of buildings!
Mar 13:2 And answering, Jesus said to him, Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon a stone which shall not be thrown down.
Mar 13:3 And as He was sitting in the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew questioned Him privately:
Mar 13:4 Tell us when these things shall be? And what is the sign when all these things are about to be done?

 

[(THE)]

Also, you believe there will be a third temple built, and then destroyed?

Well of course we are the temple as believers in Christ,,,but I do believe antichrist/satan will stand in some kind of temple an claim he is Christ returned......But I do not look for a physical temple being built to signal antichrist has arrived (satan is surely sharper then that)

OK, so, no literal third temple. That would mean that the verses below are describing the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. If there is no third temple, then those verses have been fulfilled.

Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Luk 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Mat 24:1 And going out, Jesus left the temple. And His disciples came to show Him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 But Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, There will not at all be left one stone on a stone which in no way will not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be? And, What is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?

Mar 13:1 And as He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, Teacher, Behold! What kind of stones and what kind of buildings!
Mar 13:2 And answering, Jesus said to him, Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon a stone which shall not be thrown down.
Mar 13:3 And as He was sitting in the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew questioned Him privately:
Mar 13:4 Tell us when these things shall be? And what is the sign when all these things are about to be done?

I didnt say it wouldnt be one,,,im just not looking for one,,,,personally I lean more towards antichrist helping to build a temple of some sort.......

That would mean that the verses below are describing the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

I dont think so Bro........The temple was not completly destoyed,,,if one believes the wall is part of the temple...(thats another study lol) Anyhow from reading the destruction foretold in Zecheriah,, Titus does not have the force to create whats going to happen,,,,,,,,,,,, also........

I can also reverse the logic your using ,,,,If the temple was destroyed in 70ad someone has made a serious error concerning the following scriptures:::::::

1The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

2One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.

3Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.

4Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.

6For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.

7And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

8And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:

9And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.

10And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.

 

[researcher]

I dont think so Bro........The temple was not completly destoyed,,,if one believes the wall is part of the temple...(thats another study lol) Anyhow from reading the destruction foretold in Zecheriah Titus does not have the force to create whats going to happen also........

The temple Jesus was looking at will never exist again.

Even if they build another one, it will not be the temple Jesus was looking at.

If the buildings Jesus was looking at were destroyed, how will this be fulfilled in the future?


Mar 13:1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
Mar 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

 

[(THE)]

I dont think so Bro........The temple was not completly destoyed,,,if one believes the wall is part of the temple...(thats another study lol) Anyhow from reading the destruction foretold in Zecheriah Titus does not have the force to create whats going to happen also........

The temple Jesus was looking at will never exist again.

Even if they build another one, it will not be the temple Jesus was looking at.

If the buildings Jesus was looking at were destroyed, how will this be fulfilled in the future?


Mar 13:1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
Mar 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

I believe you are being to strict on the text ,,,in manner of speaking......

Mark 13:2 "And Jesus answering said unto him, "Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

YOu believe Christ was talking about the literal building right in front of Him,,,I believe Christ was talking about the building that would be present at the time of His return.....But its clarifyed later...

Mark 13:4 "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?"

What shall be the sign of "ALL" these things being fulfilled,,,,ALL as in meaning everything......

SO as we continue to read,,,,we learn all the things mentioned must happen in the spand of a generation.........

DO you believe 70ad marked the last generation????????

DO you belive we are in the millenium right now???????

DO you believe satan has returned??????????

 

[researcher]

,I believe Christ was talking about the building that would be present at the time of His return.....But its clarifyed later...

Jesus was talking about the church (as in the body of Christ)? Or another building?

Mar 13:1 Then as He goes out from the temple, one of His disciples says to Him, "Teacher, look! What great stones! And what great buildings!"
Mar 13:2 And answering, Jesus said to him, "Are you looking at these great buildings? By no means shall a stone be left on a stone which by no means shall not be torn down." (ALT)

 

[researcher]

,I believe Christ was talking about the building that would be present at the time of His return.....But its clarifyed later...

Jesus was talking about the church (as in the body of Christ)? Or another building?

Mar 13:1 Then as He goes out from the temple, one of His disciples says to Him, "Teacher, look! What great stones! And what great buildings!"
Mar 13:2 And answering, Jesus said to him, "Are you looking at these great buildings? By no means shall a stone be left on a stone which by no means shall not be torn down." (ALT)

 

[veteran]

Like 'THE' said, our Lord Jesus was then asked by His disciples there on the Mount of Olives with Him when shall these things be, and what shall be the sign of His coming, AND of the end of the world (Matt.24:3). Then Christ proceeded to give them those things in the rest of the Matthew 24 chapter to mark the time.

So it's kind of silly to keep trying to make a whole doctrine just out of what our Lord said about not one stone standing on top of another, which is just one of the signs He gave them.

 

[researcher]

Like 'THE' said, our Lord Jesus was then asked by His disciples there on the Mount of Olives with Him when shall these things be, and what shall be the sign of His coming, AND of the end of the world (Matt.24:3). Then Christ proceeded to give them those things in the rest of the Matthew 24 chapter to mark the time.

So it's kind of silly to keep trying to make a whole doctrine just out of what our Lord said about not one stone standing on top of another, which is just one of the signs He gave them.

Yes. Jesus gave them the signs pointing to when this would happen.

No, it was not the "end of the world." They asked about the end of the "age."

Mat 24:3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be? And, What is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age? (Literal Version)

World (age) in Matt 24:3
G165
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ai?n ***Aeon, eon, etc***
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

 

[veteran]

It's also improper to try and use that Greek word there for "world" as a whole doctrine that denies what end Christ's disciples were talking about, because one of the signs Christ gave them there was the gathering of the saints to Him, and we know that did not happen in their era, and is still yet to happen today, for much of the rest of the New Testament Books further detail what that gathering event is to be like.

 

[(THE)]

I agree with Vet,,,researcher.....What one would have to do is go down the line and prove that each of the events spoken in matthew 24 have come to pass.......Impossible task....

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[Vic C.]

And he will make a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

That is a terrible translation and whoever constructed it did so in a manner that reflects their belief.

This is how Young (who was know for his somewhat dry interpretations) translated it:

And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

It basically states that He is using someone or something else to achieve wrath; to cause this desolation. In this case, it's Rome.

Ok cool,,,seeing how you havent said much of anything anyhow,,,,,I care less what you exectp,,,go anywhere you want talk to anyone you need too,,,,,,,The Hebrew Manuscripts cleary say "on the wings of abomination"

You have a most unChristian-like attitude and you need to pray and change. That attitude is going to drive away members like Samuel, who knows what he is talking about and the Staff isn't going to tolerate it much longer. It's sad that you are most incorrigible at times.

 

[(THE)]

And he will make a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

That is a terrible translation and whoever constructed it did so in a manner that reflects their belief.

This is how Young (who was know for his somewhat dry interpretations) translated it:

And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and [in] the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

It basically states that He is using someone or something else to achieve wrath; to cause this desolation. In this case, it's Rome.

[quote:30m90a3m]Ok cool,,,seeing how you havent said much of anything anyhow,,,,,I care less what you exectp,,,go anywhere you want talk to anyone you need too,,,,,,,The Hebrew Manuscripts cleary say "on the wings of abomination"

You have a most unChristian-like attitude and you need to pray and change. That attitude is going to drive away members like Samuel, who knows what he is talking about and the Staff isn't going to tolerate it much longer. It's sad that you are most incorrigible at times. [/quote:30m90a3m]

Do you think people are blind??????????

The only reason your saying Samuel knows what he is talking about is because you agree with him concerning the topic.....

It basically states that He is using someone or something else to achieve wrath; to cause this desolation. In this case, it's Rome.

Thats not what is saying.......and if The AOD had anything to do with Rome and 70ad then that would have made the final generation over 1,900 years old by now.....simple math proves you wrong....

That attitude is going to drive away members like Samuel,

 

[RND]

Ok cool,,,seeing how you havent said much of anything anyhow,,,,,I care less what you exectp,,,go anywhere you want talk to anyone you need too,,,,,,,The Hebrew Manuscripts cleary say "on the wings of abomination"

You have a most unChristian-like attitude and you need to pray and change. That attitude is going to drive away members like Samuel, who knows what he is talking about and the Staff isn't going to tolerate it much longer. It's sad that you are most incorrigible at times.

I agree. The shtick is getting old.

 

[RND]

[quote="Vic C.":dil6ar74]

Ok cool,,,seeing how you havent said much of anything anyhow,,,,,I care less what you exectp,,,go anywhere you want talk to anyone you need too,,,,,,,The Hebrew Manuscripts cleary say "on the wings of abomination"

You have a most unChristian-like attitude and you need to pray and change. That attitude is going to drive away members like Samuel, who knows what he is talking about and the Staff isn't going to tolerate it much longer. It's sad that you are most incorrigible at times.

Do you think people are blind??????????

The only reason your saying Samuel knows what he is talking about is because you agree with him concerning the topic.....[/quote:dil6ar74] Anytime now Vic, anytime.

 

[(THE)]

Ok cool,,,seeing how you havent said much of anything anyhow,,,,,I care less what you exectp,,,go anywhere you want talk to anyone you need too,,,,,,,The Hebrew Manuscripts cleary say "on the wings of abomination"

You have a most unChristian-like attitude and you need to pray and change. That attitude is going to drive away members like Samuel, who knows what he is talking about and the Staff isn't going to tolerate it much longer. It's sad that you are most incorrigible at times.

I agree. The shtick is getting old.

SO is the lies of the SDA

 

[(THE)]

O VIC your so obvious,,,,,,This is what I said to Samuel.....

Ok cool,,,seeing how you havent said much of anything anyhow,,,,,I care less what you exectp,,,go anywhere you want talk to anyone you need too,,,,,,,The Hebrew Manuscripts cleary say "on the wings of abomination"

Samuel didnt say much of anything,,,,He told me that im making the same error as others and I am just stated what I have been taught,,,although I had no man stand in front of me and teach me.....

Then he said thats all he has to say,,,,so I said you havent said much anyway.....

Is this,,, what is unchristian like?????????????

He said He wont except anything but KJ,,,,,,,,,I said I can care less what he excepts,,,he can go talk to anyone,,but that wont change the fact that the text says on the wing of abomination....

So it so Obvoius your looking for something to poke at concerning me,,,,you coulndt find anything,,,so you used Samuel to make something.......and I see the cheerleaders..........

 

[samuel]

Funny I physically attend no church,,,all of my research comes straight from the bible using Hebrew,,,Greek,,,Chaldee,,,,Aramiac,,,,and what ever else needed to get to the truth,,,,YOu Need to check yourself Bro,,,,Im alway telling people listen to know man,,,I dont really have to pull a old post where I said it do I???????? Im the last person you should be coming at with some
"you were taught that speech",,,I DO MY OWN STUDYING!!!!!

Ever read any Tim LaHaye ?, it sure seem like you must.