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The Trinity

Randy

You asked the question: „What part of Jesus was God?” I answered you, it is His Person. In Orthodoxy, each of the three persons of the Holy Trinity is the bearer of the complete Divinity.

You said earlier that the Father and the Son are two persons, but now you mention the person only for the Father. You say that the Son is not true God, but only some God from true God.

However, the symbol of faith says that the Son is „true God from true God”. The Son is all that the Father is, but is not the Person of the Father, but we are talking about Two Persons of the true God.
 
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Milan Nikolic said:
Randy

You asked the question: „What part of Jesus was God?” I answered you, it is His Person. In Orthodoxy, each of the three persons of the Holy Trinity is the bearer of the complete Divinity.
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I asked if He had a human spirit and a human body what part of Him was God?
I asked what part of Him descended from heaven if NOT His own spirit?
I tell you the person of the Son, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him. The person of the Son did in fact descend and ascend to where He was before. Not some newly created human spirit in Mary's womb.
And it is His spirit.
"Father into your hands i commit My spirit"
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You said earlier that the Father and the Son are two persons, but now you mention the person only for the Father. You say that the Son is not true God, but only some God from true God.
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We are speaking of the Son all this time yet you say I only speak of the Father? You need to put context to that in order for that to make any sense to what you're accusing me of doing.
I'm very sure I stated the Father was living in His Son and they are ONE. No other Deity was formed. It's the Fathers Deity living in the Son in all His fullness. Thats One God the Father and One Lord Jesus Christ. They are one.
Milan Nikolic said:
However, the symbol of faith says that the Son is „true God from true God”. The Son is all that the Father is, but is not the Person of the Father, but we are talking about Two Persons of the true God.
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I asked you how could the Son be FROM another as a Son but has no beginning? Do you know the meaning of the word "from"? Your foundation is mystery. Just stuff stated so without any reasonable scriptural support and explanation.

I don't believe God shares your theology of a God that has no beginning but does claim He is unbegotten.
"No God was formed before me"

I agree the Father is the source as in the only unbegotten true God. Its His Deity and remains His Deity even as He is living in His Son.
Hence God from true God.

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.
 
Randy

How you now interpret the embodiment of the Son of God was discussed at the Second Ecumenical Council in 381. At that time, Apollinarius claimed that Christ was not fully human, but that the human spirit was replaced by the Spirit of Son of God. The Council rejected this.

You ask me how the Son is „from” the Father if the Son has no beginning. But that is the same as asking how God became the Father if He has no beginning. In the Christian faith, all three persons of the Holy Trinity are one and complete God. Of course, this is a mystery. This is God's existence.
 
Excellent summaries. I can agree with some of the fairly common usages of that word "trinity", but never all. Much the same as the word "christian". I resist using words God has not used in Scripture, for Himself, or for His Church.

How you now interpret the embodiment of the Son of God was discussed at the Second Ecumenical Council in 381.
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I don't. Not interested in the result of discussion of councils, most especially post-Constantine.
 
Milan Nikolic said:
Randy

How you now interpret the embodiment of the Son of God was discussed at the Second Ecumenical Council in 381. At that time, Apollinarius claimed that Christ was not fully human, but that the human spirit was replaced by the Spirit of Son of God. The Council rejected this.
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Jesus spirit was formed by God before all things. The Firstborn of all creation. The Holy Spirit is the Fathers Spirit. The Son who was, His spirit descended from above and was in that Human body. The MAN Jesus Christ. The error introduced by the councils is they believe Jesus's spirit is divine as well so they claim human spirit to fix that issue. The only Deity living in the Son is the Father.
The spirit of a being is that being and remains as God formed it. It never changes. The Holy Spirit doesn't convert to human spirit and back again.

What we know is that it was Jesus's spirit and He was before the world began. We know His body was human.
"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"

As I already showed several times Jesus would not have received His own spirit from the Father in Acts 2 and Jesus would not have stated another advocate given if it was His spirit. Jesus stated the Spirit would proceed from the Father and the Father would send the Spirit in His name. Christ in us.

Milan Nikolic said:
You ask me how the Son is „from” the Father if the Son has no beginning. But that is the same as asking how God became the Father if He has no beginning. In the Christian faith, all three persons of the Holy Trinity are one and complete God. Of course, this is a mystery. This is God's existence.
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Jesus came from the Father and there is no 3rd person. One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. We don't know where the Father came from but we do know He alone is unbegotten. Jesus is the only like to like begotten Son of the Father. Gods Firstborn. A child of the Father.
God became a Father with Jesus's beginning at some point in history before the world began. The Fathers Spirit is the only Spirit that gives birth to spirit. He is the Father of all spirits even Christ Jesus. God "our" Father. Our heavenly Father.

Two versions found in the manuscripts. The only begotten Son and the only begotten God. The Father is unbegotten. The only true God as Jesus states. The God and Father of Jesus as He and the Apostles state.

I have no need to convince you so maybe we should agree to disagree.

TO ME AS WELL-My belief
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

You already know I believe the nature found in the Son is the Fathers not His own and He and the Father are ONE.
And if He and the Father are one then Jesus has to be all that the Father is. He is God in that context.
 
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