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The Trinity

Of course, but what does any of that have to do with whether or not the Holy Spirit is a third person?


You just simply dismissed all those verses which give personal agency to the Holy Spirit and continue to say the same. But that is to ignore a huge amount of context. The Holy Spirit isn't some inanimate power of the Father nor is the Father the Holy Spirit, as the continual distinction throughout the NT shows, even mentioning the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together in same context, several times.

The only logical conclusion is that the Holy Spirit is a distinct, divine person from both the Father and the Son.
Where is this 3rd person who comes by His will on His own?
16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth.

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
    • John 14:26 states that the Spirit proceeds from the Father.
    • John 15:26 states that Jesus will send the Spirit from the Father.
    • Acts 2:33 states that Jesus has received the Spirit from the Father and sends him
    where is this 3rd person?
  • Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them

  • Are you stating the creeds state we have a 3rd person in us?

  • Fathers promise which is cohesive to the Spirit that Jesus sends He received the Father
  • In these last days I will send "My Spirit"

  • Nothing you posted states the person of the Spirit came and is in us as there is no 3rd person
 
Randy

As the Scripture states, the very person of Christ represents the „fullness of the Godhead” (Col 2:9). The fact that you do not believe in the true divinity of the person of Christ, we have already absolved.
IN HIM -YES but NOT HIM. Understand?

The Fullness of God does not live IN the Father rather the Father is the Deity.
The Father lives IN the Son. They are one.
 
Could you copy and paste where I said that and the passage so I can see how to answer you.

Could you copy and paste where I said that and the passage so I can see how to answer you.
Jesus states the Fathers promise NOT His.
Acts 1
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about For John baptized with, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit

Father's promise=In the last days I will pour out "My" Spirit
Jesus -who the Father will send in My name.
 
Where is this 3rd person who comes by His will on His own?
16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth.

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
    • John 14:26 states that the Spirit proceeds from the Father.
    • John 15:26 states that Jesus will send the Spirit from the Father.
    • Acts 2:33 states that Jesus has received the Spirit from the Father and sends him
    where is this 3rd person?
  • Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them
Yes, and how do they do that? Through the indwelling Spirit:

Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. (ESV)

Notice that you stated the Holy Spirit is the Advocate. As I stated previously, and you ignored, an advocate can only be a person.

  • Are you stating the creeds state we have a 3rd person in us?
Of course, it can be no other way. What was the whole point of Jesus sending the Spirit, just so that the Spirit would live around us but not in us? We are temples of the Holy Spirit. In addition of John 14:17:

Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. (ESV)

That the Holy Spirit dwells in us is without question. That makes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all indwelling believers, primarily through the Holy Spirit, it would seem.

  • Fathers promise which is cohesive to the Spirit that Jesus sends He received the Father
  • In these last days I will send "My Spirit"
Okay.

  • Nothing you posted states the person of the Spirit came and is in us as there is no 3rd person
That is once again to ignore the large number of passages I gave which unequivocally show that the Holy Spirit has personal agency. The Holy Spirit is a divine person, distinct from the Father and the Son, and indwells believers.
 
Yes, and how do they do that? Through the indwelling Spirit:

Joh 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. (ESV)

Notice that you stated the Holy Spirit is the Advocate. As I stated previously, and you ignored, an advocate can only be a person.
I said 3rd person. The Father is a person and He will send His Spirit in Jesus name and Jesus is a person. Jesus stated He and the Father would make their Home with the believer. Where is this 3rd person?
Of course, it can be no other way. What was the whole point of Jesus sending the Spirit, just so that the Spirit would live around us but not in us? We are temples of the Holy Spirit. In addition of John 14:17:
Jesus did send the Spirit He received from the Father. From the Father through the Son.
Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Why would Jesus receive His own Spirit from the Father and state Another advocate in regard to His spirit?
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
True -I have the Spirit of Christ in me. I also have the Father in me.
Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. (ESV)
The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Who the Father sent in Jesus's name.
That the Holy Spirit dwells in us is without question. That makes the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all indwelling believers, primarily through the Holy Spirit, it would seem.
Jesus stated both He and His Father would make their home in us. I believe that as stated. just 2 But again the Father sends the Spirit in Jesus's name.
Okay.


That is once again to ignore the large number of passages I gave which unequivocally show that the Holy Spirit has personal agency. The Holy Spirit is a divine person, distinct from the Father and the Son, and indwells believers.
Nothing you provide states as you suggest. Nothing has been ignored.
The Holy Spirit is the one and only Spirit of God the Father.
 
Randy

It can be said that your opinion is an example of a clear failure that is reflected in considering the essence of God as something primary in relation to the person of God. That is the source of every problem.
 
I said 3rd person. The Father is a person and He will send His Spirit in Jesus name and Jesus is a person. Jesus stated He and the Father would make their Home with the believer. Where is this 3rd person?
Well, as I have stated at least a couple of times, it was all in my previous post with all the verses that you largely ignored. Apart from that, it was also in my latest post and in what you quoted for the above response: you called the Holy Spirit an Advocate. But, as I stated, advocates are only persons. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the Holy Spirit is a person, the third divine person.

Jesus did send the Spirit He received from the Father. From the Father through the Son.
Okay, but that doesn't address what you quoted.

Why would Jesus receive His own Spirit from the Father and state Another advocate in regard to His spirit?
He didn't "receive His own Spirit from the Father." The "another advocate" only makes sense because "another" means one that is similar to Jesus, yet distinct from him. That is the plain meaning of those words. And, again, and advocate can only be a person. There is no other option there and that fits with the Holy Spirit being "another," since Jesus is also a person.

True -I have the Spirit of Christ in me. I also have the Father in me.
Yes, but you need to pay attention to the context:

Rom 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. (ESV)

Notice that Paul equates "the Spirit of God" with "the Spirit of Christ," "the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead," and "his Spirit." It hardly needs pointing out that three times Paul says that the Holy Spirit indwells believers and once states the opposite ("does not have"). Of course he also says that "Christ is in you," but Jesus already told us that he would live in us, as you have given already.

We can also look at what Peter said, that the OT prophets prophesied by the "Spirit of Christ":

1Pe 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
1Pe 1:11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. (ESV)

Peter, too, is equating the Holy Spirit with the Spirit of Christ, going as far back as the OT to do so.

So, we know that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit indwell believers, however, the Father and the Son indwell believers through the Holy Spirit. That is one of the functions of the Holy Spirit.

The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
Yes, and so is the church:

1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? (ESV)

Of course, your statement means that the Holy Spirit lives in us, so it necessarily follows that it is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit that indwell believers.

Who the Father sent in Jesus's name.
And who Jesus sent. Both the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit.

Jesus stated both He and His Father would make their home in us. I believe that as stated. just 2 But again the Father sends the Spirit in Jesus's name.
And, as Jesus said, he also sends the Spirit (John 16:7). Jesus also said the Holy Spirit would dwell in believers (John 14:17). Why do you seem to be content to ignore both of those clear statements?

Nothing you provide states as you suggest. Nothing has been ignored.
The Holy Spirit is the one and only Spirit of God the Father.
This is exceedingly dishonest. You completely ignored the numerous passages I gave which strongly imply the personhood of the Holy Spirit a post. And now you're dancing around and ignoring clear statements by Jesus and Paul, both that the Holy Spirit will indwell believers, that the Holy Spirit is a person, and that the Holy Spirit is also know as the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of his Son, etc.

It strongly appears that your beliefs are interpreting Scripture, rather than letting Scripture inform your beliefs, hence why you don't want to address those things that simply don't fit your theology. That means you're taking everything about the Holy Spirit out of context.
 
Jesus states the Fathers promise NOT His.
Acts 1
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about For John baptized with, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit

Father's promise=In the last days I will pour out "My" Spirit
Jesus -who the Father will send in My name.

I agree. The Baptism with the Spirit is the Promise of the Father.

Amen.

I was hoping you would comment on what I posted here…

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9

Also notice how the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are intrinsically connected as One, in the following verse.

Do you agree?
 
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