The True son of Perdition

[Rollo Tamasi]

To understand that of what Satan claimed in Isaiah 14:13-15 and how this will happen in Rev chapter 13 before the return of Christ so we are not caught in his snare.

Just to clarify, that means you believe in a post-tribulation rapture, is that correct?

 

[for_his_glory]

Just to clarify, that means you believe in a post-tribulation rapture, is that correct?

Correct according to everything I have studied in Revelation cross referencing OT with NT and especially Rev Chapter 19.

BTW I use no ones commentaries or what others have written in books, but study by the word of God only as the Holy Spirit reveals truth to me.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Correct according to everything I have studied in Revelation cross referencing OT with NT and especially Rev Chapter 19.

BTW I use no ones commentaries or what others have written in books, but study by the word of God only as the Holy Spirit reveals truth to me.

I agree with you.

 

[Malachi]

There was a literal physical temple of God when Thessalonians was written, but not now.

That does not mean a third Temple cannot exist, or following that, a fourth Temple. There will be a third Temple (if you wish to investigate the matter) and there will be a Man of Sin sitting in that Temple in the future, blaspheming God and calling himself *God*. Scripture must be interpreted in its plain literal sense (for the most part).

 

[Sinthesis]

That does not mean a third Temple cannot exist, or following that, a fourth Temple. There will be a third Temple (if you wish to investigate the matter) and there will be a Man of Sin sitting in that Temple in the future, blaspheming God and calling himself *God*. Scripture must be interpreted in its plain literal sense (for the most part).

If there was a literal third physical Temple of God, would you go to worship at it?

 

[smaller]

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This is speaking of the literal Temple of God in Jerusalem

Uh, no. There were 3 temples of the O.T. The temple in the wilderness/desert. Temple of the rich man. Temple, after release of captivity. These are all interesting studies in themselves OF CHRIST.

In the N.T. the FIRST Temple was the human/flesh body of Christ, on earth. The second temple is us as believers in the flesh, on earth. The THIRD temple is Phil. 3:21 and New Jerusalem. All very similar in cycle to what can be gleaned from the O.T.

Whatever Jews of the flesh do, apart from Christ, will be entirely irrelevant to N.T. eschatology. There are better sights for us to engage.

Luke 17:
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

If there was a literal third physical Temple of God, would you go to worship at it?

I've never heard this question asked before.

 

[for_his_glory]

Uh, no. There were 3 temples of the O.T. The temple in the wilderness/desert. Temple of the rich man. Temple, after release of captivity. These are all interesting studies in themselves OF CHRIST.

In the N.T. the FIRST Temple was the human/flesh body of Christ, on earth. The second temple is us as believers in the flesh, on earth. The THIRD temple is Phil. 3:21 and New Jerusalem. All very similar in cycle to what can be gleaned from the O.T.

Whatever Jews of the flesh do, apart from Christ, will be entirely irrelevant to N.T. eschatology. There are better sights for us to engage.

Luke 17:
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

I am only speaking of the literal Temple of God on the Temple Mount (brick and mortar) in Jerusalem, not the human/flesh body of Christ as that is another topic that has nothing to do with this one. The first Temple that was built through King Solomon’s reign in Jerusalem and the second one built by Ezra in Jerusalem. What you are posting has nothing to do with the literal Temple where Gods Shekinah glory filled the Temple.

 

[smaller]

I am only speaking of the literal Temple of God on the Temple Mount (brick and mortar) in Jerusalem, not the human/flesh body of Christ as that is another topic that has nothing to do with this one. The first Temple that was built through King Solomon’s reign in Jerusalem and the second one built by Ezra in Jerusalem. What you are posting has nothing to do with the literal Temple where Gods Shekinah glory filled the Temple.

For N.T. purposes of sights, here is the same matter, Spiritually. What is shown in the external in the O.T. is a foretell of the Spiritual to come. Natural/Spiritual. The Way of God.

Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

 

[for_his_glory]

That does not mean a third Temple cannot exist, or following that, a fourth Temple. There will be a third Temple (if you wish to investigate the matter) and there will be a Man of Sin sitting in that Temple in the future, blaspheming God and calling himself *God*. Scripture must be interpreted in its plain literal sense (for the most part).

There already is a third temple sitting on the original Temple Mount as the second Temple built by Ezra was destroyed and taken over in 691 A.D. as the Arab nation built the Dome of the Rock. At present it is being refurbished, but not for Israel, but for the son of perdition (Pontifex Maximus) to take his seat upon his throne as he rules the Roman Empire from Jerusalem once again whose deadly wound came in 1798 when General Berthier of France captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pontifex Maximus and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty.

 

[for_his_glory]

For N.T. purposes of sights, here is the same matter, Spiritually. What is shown in the external in the O.T. is a foretell of the Spiritual to come. Natural/Spiritual. The Way of God.

Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Once again smaller, the OP is written by me and I am talking about the literal temple, in literal Jerusalem, in knowing who the literal son of perdition is and how Satan works through him as per Isaiah 14:13 and Rev Chapter 13. You might want to start a new thread on the Spiritual Temple of God, but for here we are speaking literal temple. Thank you and God bless you.

 

[for_his_glory]

If there was a literal third physical Temple of God, would you go to worship at it?

I know you asked Malachi this question, but I would also like to answer it.

There is no need of a third temple for a Spiritually born-again child of God as Jesus fulfilled that of the literal Temple of God.

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

 

[markathome]

per wiki Temple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple
A temple (from the Latin word templum) is a structure reserved for religious or spiritual activities such as prayer and sacrifice.
In Judaism, the ancient Hebrew texts refer not to temples, the word having not existed yet, but to a "sanctuary", "palace" or "hall". Each of the two ancient temples in Jerusalem was called in the Tanakh Beit YHWH, which translates literally as "YHWH's House."
The Temple Mount in Jerusalem is the site where the First Temple of Solomon and the Second Temple were built. At the center of the structure was the Holy of Holies where only the High Priest could enter.
The Temple Mount is now the site of the Islamicedifice, the Dome of the Rock.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-resolution/569/text

 

[smaller]

Once again smaller, the OP is written by me and I am talking about the literal temple, in literal Jerusalem

Pointed out that there ARE other legitimate sites of the matters that do not revolve around the above.

The difficulty is that believers have been bombarded with a truckload of novel writing baloney on the subject matter, and it's hard to shake.

 

[for_his_glory]

Pointed out that there ARE other legitimate sites of the matters that do not revolve around the above.

The difficulty is that believers have been bombarded with a truckload of novel writing baloney on the subject matter, and it's hard to shake.

The whole Bible is literal where it needs to be and Spiritual where we need a deeper understanding. I do not attain to reading novel writing or any of mans commentaries, especially when it comes to end time matters. I'd rather give my money to those who are in need. The word of God is all I need to read and study as the Holy Spirit makes it very clear to me what I am reading whether it be literal or Spiritual.

All I am asking is to keep it literal as the Spiritual temple of God that is within us has nothing to do with the literal temple mount in Jerusalem that the son of perdition will take a literal seat on his throne.I'm not trying to be brash or tell anyone what to do, I just want us to keep with the topic at hand.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The whole Bible is literal where it needs to be and Spiritual where we need a deeper understanding. I do not attain to reading novel writing or any of mans commentaries, especially when it comes to end time matters. I'd rather give my money to those who are in need. The word of God is all I need to read and study as the Holy Spirit makes it very clear to me what I am reading whether it be literal or Spiritual.

All I am asking is to keep it literal as the Spiritual temple of God that is within us has nothing to do with the literal temple mount in Jerusalem that the son of perdition will take a literal seat on his throne.I'm not trying to be brash or tell anyone what to do, I just want us to keep with the topic at hand.

Okay, this is the first time I ever heard that the Dome of the Rock was the end times temple.
Did God tell you that?

 

[turnorburn]

There's only one temple that would incur the wrath of God as described "Man"

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

50 Hath not my hand made all these things?

 

[markathome]

It was considered the dwelling-place of the "Name" of God. YHWH

1 Kings 8:17
"Now it was in the heart of David my father to build a house for the name of Yahweh, the God of Israel.

On the walls of the Dome of the Rock is an inscription in a mosaic frieze that includes the following words from Quran (19:33–35), which are considered blasphemy to Christianity
33. "So peace is upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!"
34. Such is Jesus, son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they doubt.
35. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

So it was the temple for the "Name" of God. YHWH but now
it is the temple for the "Name" of the only God called ALLAH
??????????

 

[for_his_glory]

Okay, this is the first time I ever heard that the Dome of the Rock was the end times temple.
Did God tell you that?

The Dome of the Rock is not a Temple of God, but sits on the ground where Gods physical Temple use to stand. It's in this spot where Satan made his claim in Isaiah 14:13 as he works through the son of perdition talked about in John 17:12; 2Thessalonians 2:3,4 and Rev chapter 13 that is described as the beast coming up out of the earth which is the revived Roman Empire. It's a very deep study in scripture.

 

[smaller]

The whole Bible is literal where it needs to be and Spiritual where we need a deeper understanding.

It's literal and spiritual in retrospect and spiritual for us today. Literal doesn't do us much good as literal is past.

All I am asking is to keep it literal as the Spiritual temple of God that is within us has nothing to do with the literal temple mount in Jerusalem that the son of perdition will take a literal seat on his throne.I'm not trying to be brash or tell anyone what to do, I just want us to keep with the topic at hand.

If you are saying the topic matter is and only can be literal, I didn't see that in the opener.

We might recognize that the greatest portion of eschatology is about the destruction of the devil and his messengers and the revealing of Christ in us. No "literal" dissection is going to work when dealing with the unseen.

jes sayin'