The Two Witnesses Are Now Prophesying, and the Roman popes are the Antichrist

[CherubRam]

Best guess is that the two witness will come about 2109, and prophecy until about 2112. About 21 years after that, Italy will be struck in the foot by a meteorite.

The Jews Lunar calendar has about 135 plus years subtracted from it by the Rabbi's; to show Bar Kokhba as the Messiah to come.

 

[Elteqay]

What/who is Eliyah and Mosheh ministry and who is Yahuah Tsevaoth? What religion is this?

Sackcloth in scripture is usually made of black goat hair used by the Israelites in times of mourning's or social protest.

Just because you have no idea of whom I am speaking, doesn't make it a religion, you sir, just don't know.

The Revelation is full of metafores and sackcloth is one....do you ever see people walking around 2023 wearing traditional sackcloth ? Nooo.

 

[for_his_glory]

People throughout the centuries have set dates and have expressed their views about the two witnesses of Rev 11, but yet all is in God's timing when He sends these two witnesses that are reference as the the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. One needs to learn what the two olive trees are and that of the two candlesticks to understand who the two witnesses are as the symbolism of Zechariah 4.

 

[Paul Timothy]

People throughout the centuries have set dates and have expressed their views about the two witnesses of Rev 11, but yet all is in God's timing when He sends these two witnesses that are reference as the the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. One needs to learn what the two olive trees are and that of the two candlesticks to understand who the two witnesses are as the symbolism of Zechariah 4.

But Revelation does not reference Zechariah.

 

[for_his_glory]

Just because you have no idea of whom I am speaking, doesn't make it a religion, you sir, just don't know.

The Revelation is full of metafores and sackcloth is one....do you ever see people walking around 2023 wearing traditional sackcloth ? Nooo.

First, I am a woman not a sir.

Second, when someone ask a question they expect an answer like I asked as of course I do not know as that is why I am asking you about these names and where they come from. I find this to be very rude of you to not give me an answer and to wonder why you can not answer a simple question.

 

[for_his_glory]

But Revelation does not reference Zechariah.

Have you never heard of cross referencing for the full context and Spiritual understanding. I already explained this in post #8.

Rev 11:4 is a cross reference to Zech 4:1-14.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Have you never heard of cross referencing for the full context. I already explained this in post #8.

You can explain things that are wrong just the same as someone can explain things that are correct.

Revelation does not reference any other prophets or books of the Bible... as far as I have seen.

 

[for_his_glory]

Best guess is that the two witness will come about 2109, and prophecy until about 2112. About 21 years after that, Italy will be struck in the foot by a meteorite.

The Jews Lunar calendar has about 135 plus years subtracted from it by the Rabbi's; to show Bar Kokhba as the Messiah to come.

Nothing more than date setting that has been going on since Jesus ascended up to heaven. Even the disciples thought He would return in their life time.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[for_his_glory]

You can explain things that are wrong just the same as someone can explain things that are correct.

Revelation does not reference any other prophets or books of the Bible... as far as I have seen.

What you and many do not understand, or maybe refuse to see, is that the book of Revelation spans the whole Bible from Genesis to the revealing's of prophecies fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled throughout the whole Bible.

 

[Paul Timothy]

What you and many do not understand, or maybe refuse to see, is that the book of Revelation spans the whole Bible from Genesis to the revealing's of prophecies fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled throughout the whole Bible.

You are incorrect as Revelation itself say it is not as you present it.
Just because there is some small similarity does not mean there is a direct reference.
What you and many do not understand, or maybe refuse to see, is that similarity does not equal equality.
Zech 4 references something totally different than Revelation 11.
Maybe check your references again... the two passages are not related at all... IMO.

 

[CherubRam]

Nothing more than date setting that has been going on since Jesus ascended up to heaven. Even the disciples thought He would return in their life time.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I said "Best Guess."

 

[for_his_glory]

You are incorrect as Revelation itself say it is not as you present it.
Just because there is some small similarity does not mean there is a direct reference.
What you and many do not understand, or maybe refuse to see, is that similarity does not equal equality.
Zech 4 references something totally different than Revelation 11.
Maybe check your references again... the two passages are not related at all... IMO.

I will not argue this as it seems you will not understand it anyway as I have clearly explained it by giving many scriptures that you ignore. Not once do you give any scriptures, but rather just say we are incorrect. Why is that?

 

[for_his_glory]

I said "Best Guess."

Why even bother guessing when Jesus already gave us the signs of His coming to watch for so we will not be taken as a thief in the night. Is your lamp full of oil!

 

[Paul Timothy]

I will not argue this as it seems you will not understand it anyway as I have clearly explained it by giving many scriptures that you ignore. Not once do you give any scriptures, but rather just say we are incorrect. Why is that?

And you run away from a conversation.
My Biblical references would be Revelation... the entire text.
I say you are incorrect because I think you are.
Do you lie in these posts... I don't... if I think you are wrong I will say so.
Nothing you have said shows that Revelation is referencing ANY OT prophet or teaching.

So what do I not understand? That you wish to shoehorn in other prophecies into a prophecy that says do not add or remove from the book of this prophecy. ie... don't add or remove from the book of Revelation.
What other book in the Bible has such a command from Jesus? NONE.
So by including Rev 22:18-19 Jesus states that the authoritative end-times prophecy is Revelation and any other end-times prophecy is secondary at best.

 

[for_his_glory]

And you run away from a conversation.
My Biblical references would be Revelation... the entire text.
I say you are incorrect because I think you are.
Do you lie in these posts... I don't... if I think you are wrong I will say so.
Nothing you have said shows that Revelation is referencing ANY OT prophet or teaching.

So what do I not understand? That you wish to shoehorn in other prophecies into a prophecy that says do not add or remove from the book of this prophecy. ie... don't add or remove from the book of Revelation.
What other book in the Bible has such a command from Jesus? NONE.
So by including Rev 22:18-19 Jesus states that the authoritative end-times prophecy is Revelation and any other end-times prophecy is secondary at best.

So when you get confronted about not using scripture, nor giving your understandings of the topic at hand, this is all you can come back with, WOW!!!

 

[Paul Timothy]

So when you get confronted about not using scripture, nor giving your understandings of the topic at hand, this is all you can come back with, WOW!!!

I just used scripture to back my position.
Also previously I mentioned that your biblical references did not back your position.
The trees in Zech 4 are definitely not the same as the Rev 11 trees.
There are no tubes in the Revelation trees and the Zech trees feed a single lamp stand not the two mentioned in Revelation.
So I refute your references but you don't accept that as me using scripture.
Then I use scripture Revelation 22:18-19 and you say it is not sufficient?
What must I do to please you? Or is there no way for me to show you your error?
Are you willing to learn from another or are you deaf to correction?

Please show me where I am wrong and I will genuinely consider it.
I have shown you your errors and you reject my correction without considering your position and it's possible weaknesses.
This looks like a double standard if I ever seen one.

 

[for_his_glory]

I just used scripture to back my position.
Also previously I mentioned that your biblical references did not back your position.
The trees in Zech 4 are definitely not the same as the Rev 11 trees.
There are no tubes in the Revelation trees and the Zech trees feed a single lamp stand not the two mentioned in Revelation.
So I refute your references but you don't accept that as me using scripture.
Then I use scripture Revelation 22:18-19 and you say it is not sufficient?
What must I do to please you? Or is there no way for me to show you your error?
Are you willing to learn from another or are you deaf to correction?

Please show me where I am wrong and I will genuinely consider it.
I have shown you your errors and you reject my correction without considering your position and it's possible weaknesses.
This looks like a double standard if I ever seen one.

I'm not running away, but that I'm done trying to discuss this with you and not getting anywhere with you.

 

[Paul Timothy]

I'm not running away, but that I'm done trying to discuss this with you and not getting anywhere with you.

Because you will not deal with what I am saying.
You just close your ears to any form of correction.

You do see now that the Zech 4 reference is totally different than the Rev 11?
Or will you just ignore the evidence I provided to refute your position?
Probably ignore what I say and just move on to some other silly argument.
Why not just deal with one false claim at a time?
We can get your education started today and in no time you will be up to speed.

 

[Free]

Any further personal insults will result in being removed from the thread. Instead of simply criticizing another’s position, show why you disagree.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Any further personal insults will result in being removed from the thread. Instead of simply criticizing another’s position, show why you disagree.

That's what I am trying to do.