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The White Horse Rider !
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whirlwind said:Cornelius said:
What about this for a type of the rider and white horse?
- * Exodus 15:1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, "I will sing unto the LORD, for He that triumphed gloriously: The horse and his rider hath He thrown into the sea.
Therein we have Moses, a type of the man child, the children of Israel and "the horse and his rider" being thrown in the sea! A perfect end time scenario for when God triumphs.
Pharoah is a type for Satan. Could he be a type for...the rider on the white horse?
LOL, no there is no type in this for the white horse rider.These are not "white horses"
Moses brought the judgments over Egypt. The Man-child/White Horse Rider will also bring judgment on Babylon. Now for that we DO have a type and shadow in the story of Moses.
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Vic C. said:Ok now, what are we doing?Are we doing word searches to see how we can shoehorn verses to fit one's belief? That's no way to approach this study!
Its types and shadows,,,there all over the bible,,but it might be a little advanced for some... :eyebrow
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Vic is correctly pointing out , that , that specific use of that verse, does not fit. Vic is well aware of types and shadows. I really do not think its OK to use this kind of posting, because you are setting yourself above others by saying thing like " a little advance for some" .NIGHTMARE said:
Cornelius said:whirlwind said:Cornelius said:
What about this for a type of the rider and white horse?
- * Exodus 15:1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, "I will sing unto the LORD, for He that triumphed gloriously: The horse and his rider hath He thrown into the sea.
Therein we have Moses, a type of the man child, the children of Israel and "the horse and his rider" being thrown in the sea! A perfect end time scenario for when God triumphs.
Pharoah is a type for Satan. Could he be a type for...the rider on the white horse?
LOL, no there is no type in this for the white horse rider.These are not "white horses"
Moses brought the judgments over Egypt. The Man-child/White Horse Rider will also bring judgment on Babylon. Now for that we DO have a type and shadow in the story of Moses.
I don't see any mention of the white horse rider bringing judgment. I don't see any type for Moses but...I do see a type for Satan.
Actually....chapter six of Revelation has all colors of horses...just like the army chasing Israel. :D Was Pharaoh wearing a crown while going forth to conquer? Why...yes, he was, just like the rider of the white horse. Was Moses? No...he wasn't. Does Pharoah represent Egypt and all it's worldly lusts....just as Satan does? Why....yes he does. What are some other clues picked up in the Exodus song?
- * Exodus 15:9 The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; My lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.'
15:19 For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea."
15:21 And Miriam answered them, "Sing ye to the LORD for He hath triumphed gloriously; The horse and his rider hath He thrown into the sea."
Just like the rider on the white horse going forth to conquer. Where did he and his horsemen go? Into the sea of people.
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Cornelius said:
types and shadows are a more advanced study,,,,what??? you wanna play like reading revelation 12 and matthew 7 are the same......what about acrosstics,,,,or numerology,,,you dont think one needs to advance up to these things?????
and I have put myself above no-one.........
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Obviously you are welcome to believe that WW. I am simply giving you my belief Since this issue is never agreed upon in other circles, we will also not agree. There are definitely the two views .
I just know that Moses did bring judgment over Egypt. And I see the horse as a type for a beast of burden (the flesh, that carries you around now) and once that beast is overcome, it submits to the spiritual man (now its white) White is a very real color that God links with the saints,so I do have a strong case in linking it with the Man-child here again as the Rider.
Rev 1:14 And his head and his hair were white as white wool, white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, which no one knoweth but he that receiveth it.
Rev 3:4 But thou hast a few names in Sardis that did not defile their garments: and they shall walk with me in white; for they are worthy.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold refined by fire, that thou mayest become rich; and white garments, that thou mayest clothe thyself, and that the shame of thy nakedness be not made manifest; and eyesalve to anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.
Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty thrones: and upon the thrones I saw four and twenty elders sitting, arrayed in white garments; and on their heads crowns of gold.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon had a bow; and there was given unto him a crown: and he came forth conquering, and to conquer.
Rev 6:11 And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course.
Rev 7:9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 14:14 And I saw, and behold, a white cloud; and on the cloud I saw one sitting like unto a son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand sharp sickle.
Rev 19:11 And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Since this issue is never agreed upon in other circles, we will also not agree. There are definitely the two views .I just know that Moses did bring judgment over Egypt. And I see the horse as a type for a beast of burden (the flesh, that carries you around now) and once that beast is overcome, it submits to the spiritual man (now its white) White is a very real color that God links with the saints,so I do have a strong case in linking it with the Man-child here again as the Rider.
Rev 1:14 And his head and his hair were white as white wool, white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, which no one knoweth but he that receiveth it.
Rev 3:4 But thou hast a few names in Sardis that did not defile their garments: and they shall walk with me in white; for they are worthy.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold refined by fire, that thou mayest become rich; and white garments, that thou mayest clothe thyself, and that the shame of thy nakedness be not made manifest; and eyesalve to anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.
Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty thrones: and upon the thrones I saw four and twenty elders sitting, arrayed in white garments; and on their heads crowns of gold.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon had a bow; and there was given unto him a crown: and he came forth conquering, and to conquer.
Rev 6:11 And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled their course.
Rev 7:9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 14:14 And I saw, and behold, a white cloud; and on the cloud I saw one sitting like unto a son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand sharp sickle.
Rev 19:11 And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Allow me to make one more comment before we agree to disagree.
Yes, white is the color of purity and is symbolic for Jesus and the man child. But, consider that he is coming pretending to be Jesus. God allows him this deception. He won't show up wearing a black hat or red long underwear.
Now...we will agree to disagree and still....you are a precious soul. :yes
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whirlwind said:
Allow me to make one more comment before we agree to disagree.
Yes, white is the color of purity and is symbolic for Jesus and the man child. But, consider that he is coming pretending to be Jesus. God allows him this deception. He won't show up wearing a black hat or red long underwear.
Now...we will agree to disagree and still....you are a precious soul. :yes
Personally I think he might even come back bearing the marks of the crucifiction......
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whirlwind said:
It probably will,,,,I mean for satan this aint,,, 0 strikes 1 out,,, top of the 7th,,,,,,its 2 outs full count bottom of the 9th,,,,all out.....
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whirlwind said:
Allow me to make one more comment before we agree to disagree.
Yes, white is the color of purity and is symbolic for Jesus and the man child. But, consider that he is coming pretending to be Jesus. God allows him this deception. He won't show up wearing a black hat or red long underwear.
Now...we will agree to disagree and still....you are a precious soul. :yes
I am not sure now, but do still believe the antichrist is a man, or not ? I was under the impression you saw that "he" is also a corporate body. I do not know why you say he will pretend to be Christ. Are you basing it upon this scripture ? Mar 13:6 Many shall come in my name, saying, I am he; and shall lead many astray. If so, I am sure you see "many" (corporate) there.
Antichrist as "one man" is the letter, and I think by now you know enough to know what the letter does to knowledge and interpretation.
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(Remember the time when you use to think that two witnesses were two real old men, spitting fire in a real Middle Eastern city ,made with real stones,where people still sing the Hava Nagila)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFtv5qe5o3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFtv5qe5o3c
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The 'He' of Revelation 6:2 shows up wearing a crown. Who has the authority to give him a crown? Only God the Father! You have been deceived into believing Jesus is not the Messiah; the exact same sin as the first century pharisees. Truly you have eyes that do not see. The 'He' of Revelation 6:2 is Jesus.whirlwind said:Yes, white is the color of purity and is symbolic for Jesus and the man child. But, consider that he is coming pretending to be Jesus. God allows him this deception. He won't show up wearing a black hat or red long underwear.
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Don't be like this. You are being judgmental and your post will cause contention, which is wrong. We have been having a real good discussion in love so far.Sinthesis said:
Tit 3:2 to speak evil of no man, not to be contentious, to be gentle, showing all meekness toward all men.
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Indeed! :amen
"Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." (Revelation 2:10)
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
There is "a crown of victory" (stephanos) and a "winner's ribbon" (toxon) for everyone who OVERCOMES the world through faith in Jesus Christ. As the Greek reads, "the rider went out overcoming that he might overcome." Hard to believe some twist this to represent Satan simply because there is a bow made out of fabric involved.
Who said this bow made out of fabric MUST symbolize a phony replica of the rainbow (Shekinah) that surrounds God anyway? 
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Osgiliath said:
Indeed! :amen
"Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." (Revelation 2:10)
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)
There is "a crown of victory" (stephanos) and a winner's ribbon" (toxon) for everyone who OVERCOMES the world through faith in Jesus Christ. As the Greek reads, "the rider went out overcoming that he might overcome." Hard to believe some twist this to represent Satan simply because there is a bow made out of fabric involved.
Huh, that's pretty cool.
I checked the Analytical Literal Version and it says:
Rev 6:2 And look! A white horse, and the one sitting on it having a bow,
and a victor's wreath was given to him, and he went out conquering, and so that he should conquer.
Why was a victor's wreath given to him? What did he have victory over? :o :P
Rev 14:14 And I saw. And look! A white cloud, and sitting on the cloud [One] like [the] Son of Humanity, having a golden victor's wreath on His head, and a sharp sickle in His hand.
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researcher said:Huh, that's pretty cool.
I checked the Analytical Literal Version and it says:
Rev 6:2 And look! A white horse, and the one sitting on it having a bow,
and a victor's wreath was given to him, and he went out conquering, and so that he should conquer.
Why was a victor's wreath given to him? What did he have victory over? :o :P
Rev 14:14 And I saw. And look! A white cloud, and sitting on the cloud [One] like [the] Son of Humanity, having a golden victor's wreath on His head, and a sharp sickle in His hand.
The victory is an overcomer's victory. The Rider is the Man-child ministry , a group of overcomers (First fruits to overcome)
The Rider is Jesus, but this time its Jesus IN us, not Jesus as one person.
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Exactly!
There is "a crown of victory" (stephanos) and a "winner's ribbon" (toxon) for those who OVERCOME through FAITH in Jesus Christ.
"Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." (Revelation 2:10)
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People get confused because just like the first time that Jesus came, people again are expecting Jesus in the wrong way (history is repeating Eccl 1:9) People are looking for a physical return , where the Bible tells us that He will first return IN US.............before He returns FOR US.
For those who do not understand this, the whole of Revelation will be confusing.We HAVE to understand the Man-child ministry (Christ manifesting in the 144000 first fruits) and we HAVE to see that it is the first return of Jesus, before we can attempt to understand Revelation.
Read the first verse in Revelation and see that this book is about the ............revelation of Jesus Christ. Both revelations of Him. First IN US, then FOR US.
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From G601; disclosure: - appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation.
For those who do not understand this, the whole of Revelation will be confusing.We HAVE to understand the Man-child ministry (Christ manifesting in the 144000 first fruits) and we HAVE to see that it is the first return of Jesus, before we can attempt to understand Revelation.
Read the first verse in Revelation and see that this book is about the ............revelation of Jesus Christ. Both revelations of Him. First IN US, then FOR US.
ἀÀοκάλÅÈιÂ
apokalupsis
ap-ok-al'-oop-sis
From G601; disclosure: - appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation.