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The Words of the Book are Sealed

ezrider, Oz has a valid point, though, and it's evidenced by the lack of responses. If you're fine with that, perhaps a blogging forum is what you want. This is tantamount to throwing out 10 subjects, all of which could stand alone, and concluding with, "Discuss!".

If you actually want a discussion, and someone suggests how to more effectively evoke it, you might do well to consider it. Just sayin...
 
I've oft posited that Christ, were he to show up among us as a man, would definitely know things about the scriptures that are only for him to reveal ( or know )

The words are, " sealed " but unto Him

But, this is often met with great resistence.

For some reason, there are people who are certain they know everything about the Book, ....when if they knew everything, .....wouldn't that make them God ?

Welcome to the forum, apousia. Your 'absence' has been noticed.

From where did you get this teaching of something revealed to Christ in the Scriptures that are only for him to know, i.e. they are not disclosed to ordinary people like you and me?

Oz
 
I already said that I understood what you were saying. So where does this chastisement come from? How can you claim that I didn't hear you were saying ("which you weren't"), when your instruction to me came after I had already posted the first eleven replies? I have not started another thread yet, so how can you say I did not hear you?

I would like nothing more than a good two way conversation, where we are open to discussing new things without having to argue over the scripture, or debate and defend the doctrines and traditions of men. I'm not interested in that. For I am but a stranger wandering down some path. If I say something strange or unknown to you, then just ask me; if you are willing, then we can discuss it and I will show you.

Again, I have heard and understood your point about the eleven posts in a row. It may have been boring to you, but I can tell you that it certainly wasn't boring for me. If I may remind you, it was you who suggested that we be like the Bereans, but it was also you who asked for the scriptures to support my statement. Well, when I went and searched out the scriptures to find what I knew to be true, the eleven posts is what I started with. Maybe I was a bit over zealous, but when the cup runneth over, should I apologize for it?

Or should I apologize for holding back on posting any more scriptures? Well, I think not; after all, you weren't interested having a conversation about the words of the book being sealed.

The words of the book are sealed, and only Christ is worthy to loose the seals thereof.

ezrider,

You said that you understood what I was saying, and proceeded to ask these questions in the same reply (#13).

I understand what you are trying to say here, but I must ask myself why? Why should I stop at only the first post and wait for someone to respond? Does that make it easier to argue and contest the premise of the OP? Does posting the additional comments with supporting scripture make that more difficult to do?​

I gave you reasons for stopping at the first post but you don't want to pursue them to engage more people.

Oz :thinking
 
Welcome to the forum, apousia. Your 'absence' has been noticed.

From where did you get this teaching of something revealed to Christ in the Scriptures that are only for him to know, i.e. they are not disclosed to ordinary people like you and me?

Oz

God told me after he healed my brain cancer

:)

He also explained to me how even though many ( Newton, etc ) have tried to " prove " the Bible is divine, they have failed, because it is not their duty. Even objective definition of what divinity actually is, is not possible until Christ does so with his presence

He explained to me the difficulty in " proving " the Bible is divine, and why this is the charge of Christ, and exactly why every knee will bow and every tongue confesses, when the book so many claim was written by " nomadic goat herders " turns out to contain undeniable truth that only Christ will reveal

He even taught me why most people struggle to " prove " the Bible is anything, to naysayers, and how people do not understand how proof actually works

If you have issue with this, I suggest you start assembling your " proof " to show the world that even though the Bible seems to have been assembled and edited heavily by the hands of mankind, that it is still " divine "

Or alternately:

Try explaining how every tongue confesses if some people still doubt the divine authorship of the word

Good luck
 
God told me after he healed my brain cancer

:)

He also explained to me how even though many ( Newton, etc ) have tried to " prove " the Bible is divine, they have failed, because it is not their duty. Even objective definition of what divinity actually is, is not possible until Christ does so with his presence

He explained to me the difficulty in " proving " the Bible is divine, and why this is the charge of Christ, and exactly why every knee will bow and every tongue confesses, when the book so many claim was written by " nomadic goat herders " turns out to contain undeniable truth that only Christ will reveal

He even taught me why most people struggle to " prove " the Bible is anything, to naysayers, and how people do not understand how proof actually works

If you have issue with this, I suggest you start assembling your " proof " to show the world that even though the Bible seems to have been assembled and edited heavily by the hands of mankind, that it is still " divine "

Or alternately:

Try explaining how every tongue confesses if some people still doubt the divine authorship of the word

Good luck

apousia,

I find your explanation to be that of mystic experientialism, with no basis in Scripture.

When your theology is based on experientialism, I have no idea if your encounter is with God or someone else.

I try to practice Acts 17:11 when any preacher, teacher or forum poster presents teaching. This verse states:

'Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true (NIV).​

These Jewish Christians had the audacity to check out Paul's preaching to see how it compared with Scriptures (OT). If it was necessary for Paul, it surely is for you, me and every preacher/teacher around the world.

When I checked the Scriptures, I found these were a few points from your post that were not true (that's the language of Ac 17:11 - truth):
  1. 'God told me' after being healed, is not what Scripture says is the way to discern truth. Searching the Scriptures daily is the method I use (Ac 17:11) & 'Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth' (2 Tim 2:15 NIV).
  2. We can't prove Bible is divine (your stated view). That's true in a sense as only the Holy Spirit can bring conviction of sin (Jn 16:7 NIV). However, this is our Christian responsibility: 'But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer [lit. a defense] to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect' (1 Pet 3:15 NIV). That means that when I'm witnessing for Christ and I get the objection, 'That Bible is fairy tale stuff', I have a responsibility to provide a defense for the credibility of the Bible, because it is in there that the content of the Good News is contained.
  3. Your view: 'start assembling your " proof " to show the world that even though the Bible seems to have been assembled and edited heavily by the hands of mankind, that it is still " divine "'. The Bible's view is in 1 Pet 3:15 (NIV).
May you have a good day.

Oz
 
OzSpen,

Please, please, please, if you are going to participate in one of my threads, then I would kindly ask that you refrain from your game playing antics. Your games helped to result in a different thread being closed, and now you are playing those same games in this thread. So please knock it off. If you can't stick to discussing the subject matter of the thread, then I would assume you should have no reason to continue commenting in it.

Your game playing is not the subject of this thread: The Words of the Book being Sealed are. So I'm am politely asking that you stop playing your games in my thread.


ezrider,

Please, please, when you start a new thread, allow other posters to interact with your first post instead of making the first 11 posts come from you. This does not encourage engagement with one another in conversation.

Oz

I understand what you are trying to say here, but


I heard what you said. Why do you continue to not accept that? You were trying to give me advice on engaging people in a conversation in this setting. You suggested that I shouldn't start the thread with the first eleven posts. I considered what you said, and I repeatedly told you that I understood what you were saying.

If I start another thread, I need to keep it short and simple, like I did with the original post in this thread. Continuing on with the subsequent posts made it seem more like a lecture than it did looking for a conversation. I heard what you said. If I am fishing for a conversation, then I need to load up a little bait and cast it into the water and wait for a nibble. Nor should I expect to catch any fish if I cast my bucket of bait into pond before my line is even set. I get it. I will definitely consider this advice whenever I decide to start my next thread.


If you understood what I was trying to say, you would listen to what one of your audience is saying - which you weren't.

I already said that I understood what you were saying.

ezrider,

You said that you understood what I was saying, and proceeded to ask these questions in the same reply (#13).


You see Oz, this is where I realized that you were no more righteous than I, and that you were never here to engage in a conversation. You are only here to play your games and lecture others. You wouldn't accept that I took your advice to heart; Why? Because I asked a few questions. Well, in my world having a conversation involves asking and answering questions.

A yes, But...; does not mean No. The Yes is a confirmation, the But seeks clarification, are there exceptions? If you are trying to teach me something about engaging people in a conversation, then why would you not answer my questions? A real teacher would have listened, and answered the questions, given further clarification or perhaps asked a question of their own. But a lecturer is not interested in taking questions. A lecturer is only interested in lecturing others.

So far in this thread you have attempted to lecture me on posting etiquette while never addressing a single one of the posts that are the subject of this thread. A thread that I created because you wanted me to post scriptural evidence for my statement. Well that evidence was posted in the first 11 posts of this thread, which were simply too boring for you to take the time to read.

Now speaking of having conversations, another member made a comment about only Christ holding certain truths, and you questioned him, asking where did he hear such things. Well, he politely answered your question, but then you blew off his answer as some sort mystic experientialism with no basis in scripture. Instead of accepting his answer and asking a question of your own, you proceeded to lecture him about proving his own statements from the scripture. As if he should be as the Bereans and search the scriptures to prove his statement.

Well that is the end of your lecturing about being like the Bereans in this thread. Your lecture about being like the Bereans is a message meant for yourself, but you are not listening, you are lecturing. It is for you to go and search out the scriptures, to see if what you heard is true. The Bereans eagerly searched the scriptures, but you demand others to show you the evidence. You won't go and search the scriptures for yourself, because you won't believe believe without proof. I'm sorry my friend; But that is not the way Christ reveals Himself through Faith. You have to believe it first before He will show it unto to you, oh doubting Thomas.

Ironically again, you ask the other member for scripture showing that only Christ has certain knowledge. Perhaps the title of the thread and the OP remains hidden from you. The words of the book are sealed, and only Christ is worthy to loose the seals thereof. A comment that I made that you wanted scriptural evidence for. Well, I've done already thrown my bucket of bait in the pond. Can't do nothing about it now.

A good Berean would go and eagerly search the scriptures daily until he found if what he heard was true. But all you have to to is go back and start with post #1. I mean compared to the 66 books of the bible, the apocryphal books, your seminary and theological books, my first eleven posts must seem so daunting; or what did you say? Boring?

Well, maybe I didn't do it in the best format that suited others, but the post were each broken into short segments, easily handled on their own, but meant to flow as one thought from beginning to end, uninterrupted, showing that the words of the book are sealed and only Christ is worthy.

My first eleven post contain only 23 very short personal comments or thoughts. They also contain 23 different scripture references of less than 100 total verses. Is that so daunting?

But you were right about one thing, the first eleven posts were like a one-way conversation. Christ through His Words, but you didn't want to listen. If you don't want to listen to what the Word says, then why do you continue to lecture to others about searching the words of the book?
 
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Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.


Shut up the words and seal the book. The words of the book are sealed.

You look to the words of a book that are sealed, and yet you say I am increased in knowledge by the words of the book. The foolish virgins shall run to and fro looking for the word of God, but they shall not find it. Yet shall their knowledge increase as they run to and fro: their knowledge of sin and evil. But the Righteousness of Christ remains hidden from them, because when He spoke unto them, they did not listen.
 
Please, please, please, if you are going to participate in one of my threads
I just want to take this opportunity to discourage the notion that someone owns a thread that they start. Especially in the Theology Forum, once discussions are started by anyone, they are there for the people.
then I would kindly ask that you refrain from your game playing antics.
But this is a good reminder that members don't have the autonomy to sidetrack the discussion. Your point was valid. No more off topic sidebar discussions. Discuss the topic of the OP(s). Posts moving off target are subject to being deleted and the member being suspended from the thread.
 
OzSpen,

Please, please, please, if you are going to participate in one of my threads, then I would kindly ask that you refrain from your game playing antics. Your games helped to result in a different thread being closed, and now you are playing those same games in this thread. So please knock it off. If you can't stick to discussing the subject matter of the thread, then I would assume you should have no reason to continue commenting in it.

Your game playing is not the subject of this thread: The Words of the Book being Sealed are. So I'm am politely asking that you stop playing your games in my thread.







I heard what you said. Why do you continue to not accept that? You were trying to give me advice on engaging people in a conversation in this setting. You suggested that I shouldn't start the thread with the first eleven posts. I considered what you said, and I repeatedly told you that I understood what you were saying.

If I start another thread, I need to keep it short and simple, like I did with the original post in this thread. Continuing on with the subsequent posts made it seem more like a lecture than it did looking for a conversation. I heard what you said. If I am fishing for a conversation, then I need to load up a little bait and cast it into the water and wait for a nibble. Nor should I expect to catch any fish if I cast my bucket of bait into pond before my line is even set. I get it. I will definitely consider this advice whenever I decide to start my next thread.









You see Oz, this is where I realized that you were no more righteous than I, and that you were never here to engage in a conversation. You are only here to play your games and lecture others. You wouldn't accept that I took your advice to heart; Why? Because I asked a few questions. Well, in my world having a conversation involves asking and answering questions.

A yes, But...; does not mean No. The Yes is a confirmation, the But seeks clarification, are there exceptions? If you are trying to teach me something about engaging people in a conversation, then why would you not answer my questions? A real teacher would have listened, and answered the questions, given further clarification or perhaps asked a question of their own. But a lecturer is not interested in taking questions. A lecturer is only interested in lecturing others.

So far in this thread you have attempted to lecture me on posting etiquette while never addressing a single one of the posts that are the subject of this thread. A thread that I created because you wanted me to post scriptural evidence for my statement. Well that evidence was posted in the first 11 posts of this thread, which were simply too boring for you to take the time to read.

Now speaking of having conversations, another member made a comment about only Christ holding certain truths, and you questioned him, asking where did he hear such things. Well, he politely answered your question, but then you blew off his answer as some sort mystic experientialism with no basis in scripture. Instead of accepting his answer and asking a question of your own, you proceeded to lecture him about proving his own statements from the scripture. As if he should be as the Bereans and search the scriptures to prove his statement.

Well that is the end of your lecturing about being like the Bereans in this thread. Your lecture about being like the Bereans is a message meant for yourself, but you are not listening, you are lecturing. It is for you to go and search out the scriptures, to see if what you heard is true. The Bereans eagerly searched the scriptures, but you demand others to show you the evidence. You won't go and search the scriptures for yourself, because you won't believe believe without proof. I'm sorry my friend; But that is not the way Christ reveals Himself through Faith. You have to believe it first before He will show it unto to you, oh doubting Thomas.

Ironically again, you ask the other member for scripture showing that only Christ has certain knowledge. Perhaps the title of the thread and the OP remains hidden from you. The words of the book are sealed, and only Christ is worthy to loose the seals thereof. A comment that I made that you wanted scriptural evidence for. Well, I've done already thrown my bucket of bait in the pond. Can't do nothing about it now.

A good Berean would go and eagerly search the scriptures daily until he found if what he heard was true. But all you have to to is go back and start with post #1. I mean compared to the 66 books of the bible, the apocryphal books, your seminary and theological books, my first eleven posts must seem so daunting; or what did you say? Boring?

Well, maybe I didn't do it in the best format that suited others, but the post were each broken into short segments, easily handled on their own, but meant to flow as one thought from beginning to end, uninterrupted, showing that the words of the book are sealed and only Christ is worthy.

My first eleven post contain only 23 very short personal comments or thoughts. They also contain 23 different scripture references of less than 100 total verses. Is that so daunting?

But you were right about one thing, the first eleven posts were like a one-way conversation. Christ through His Words, but you didn't want to listen. If you don't want to listen to what the Word says, then why do you continue to lecture to others about searching the words of the book?

Bye, Bye.
 
Dan.12:9,10
Go thy way Daniel, FOR THE WORDS ARE CLOSED UP AND SEALED TILL THE TIME OF THE END.
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly, and NONE of the wicked shall understand, but THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND.
 
Amos 8:11-13
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God,
that I will send a famine in the land,
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the Lord:
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.
In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

In that day the foolish virgins shall faint for thirst. They shall run to an fro seeking the word of the Lord from those who would sell, but they shall not find it: For it is hidden from them because they have not sought after the Righteousness of the Lord. They shall run to and fro, and the knowledge of sin shall increase. They use the words of the book to accuse others of sin, glorying in the righteousness of the law. But the Righteousness of the Lord is hidden from them, because the WORDS of the BOOK are SEALED, and only the Spirit of Christ can make them known unto you.
 
Amos 8:11-13
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God,
that I will send a famine in the land,
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the Lord:
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.
In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

In that day the foolish virgins shall faint for thirst. They shall run to an fro seeking the word of the Lord from those who would sell, but they shall not find it: For it is hidden from them because they have not sought after the Righteousness of the Lord. They shall run to and fro, and the knowledge of sin shall increase. They use the words of the book to accuse others of sin, glorying in the righteousness of the law. But the Righteousness of the Lord is hidden from them, because the WORDS of the BOOK are SEALED, and only the Spirit of Christ can make them known unto you.

Cherry-picking a short OT passage doesn't prove the case of the Bible being closed now.
 
Romans 7:7-12
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


What happens when the scriptures that were supposed to be instruction in righteousness show you nothing but unrighteousness?


Romans 10:1-4
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The words of the book are sealed so that you might walk according to faith. For it is in Faith that the righteousness of God is revealed.

Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
 
i have no had time to fully look at every post ez has made . but on the sealing of the book Christ is the only one worthy

The words of the book are sealed so that you might walk according to faith. For it is in Faith that the righteousness of God is revealed.
can go along with this . there are many things in the Bible we will not fully understand. many things we have to accept by faith . . life is to short to be critical of some one else . with natural disasters all around us. northern California on fire . then in the middle we have all the HATRED being spewed, wars rumors . its a sad sad world my 2 cents lets all focus on our walk not our .Paul said to walk worth brothers.. it sure appears by reading scriptures that the 2nd coming of Christ could happen any day.
 
One would be correct in stating that one passage doesn't prove anything. But I have a difficult time accepting the notion that it is "cherry picking" to add an additional scripture reference to the more than two dozen scriptures that I have already referenced from both the Old Testament and the New that directly address the topic of this thread. The OP was quite clear and straight forward; It doesn’t take much time read it.

Isaiah 29:10-12
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:
the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed,
which men deliver to one that is learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I am not learned.


Those are not my words. Those are the words of the book that many hold so precious. Those are the words of God. What do we do with the words of God we don’t want to hear? Do we believe them, the words of God that is? For all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable in doctrine and instruction. Is there no profit that we can find in these scriptures? Can we not find any instruction? Who is blind, but my servant? Or as deaf as my messenger that I sent?

The scripture says that my people are sottish, they are stupid and foolish, they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. They have no knowledge of what? They are wise to do evil, the words of the book have given them the knowledge of sin, and the knowledge to do evil; But it has kept something hidden from them, something that can be only be revealed through faith.

If we are to accept that all the scripture is indeed given by inspiration of God for sound doctrine, then would it be wise to discard such a notion from the scripture that the words of the book are sealed, being documented in several places? In the OP I made a very short comment connected with the scripture I posted, I which I suggested that this scripture was a reference to that which occurred on the day of Pentecost, when the Spirit was poured out. The second post of this thread looked at scriptures that referenced what transpired as Jesus hung upon the cross.

The words of the book are sealed, and only Christ is worthy to open them. That is the subject of the OP. Those are the words of God found in the scriptures. They are irrefutable. How can anyone begin to have a discussion on the scriptures if they can’t even accept what is written in them? The object of this discussion is not to prove that the words of the book are sealed. The scriptures themselves make that known, as I have shown with the numerous scripture references. What is it, two or three witness to confirm a thing? David, Isaiah, Daniel, Amos, Jesus and Paul all seem to agree.

Now if we are Bible believing Christians, then the subject of the discussion would not be if the words of the book are sealed, but rather why the words of the book are sealed. What sound doctrine can we find in that? If all scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness, then what answers can we find as to why the words of the book are sealed?

What happens when the scriptures that are supposed to be profitable for instruction in righteousness only make known unto you unrighteousness?

When the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness, the were fed manna from heaven. They were to gather their portion daily, and gather double for the sabbath. But what happened to that manna when they gathered more than their portion?

Adam was created a son of God, but it was not until he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that his eyes were opened, and he knew evil. Jesus Christ, was crucified, resurrected, and came again in the Spirit that the Lord might bring forth His new creation, with our eyes closed to evil so we might look upon Him. The words of the book were sealed for a reason. Why that is, is what we should be discussing.
 
why that is ..is a good question . what is in the book would be a good question also going out on a limb could be possibly the judgments to come . i am going to keep looking as to the possible what it is and why certainly the worthy part he is and no man is.. just like the crowns we get /rewards we take them off and cast at the feet of Jesus saying thou art worthy o Lord .
what we do know about the word is that it is sharper than a 2 edged sword For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

What happens when the scriptures that are supposed to be profitable for instruction in righteousness only make known unto you unrighteousness?
it should cut us .the word does spiritual surgery on us like a surgeon removing cancer the eyes of our understanding should note should be opened.

i have no idea if this is even close to what your looking for.. in our men prayer breakfast we had a open discussion about the days we live in and how the fruit of the spirit should be evident in our life. paul wrote several times we should walk worth of our calling...

what would that walk be and how can we do it in a worth manner?
 
Thanks ezra. There are a couple of things of note that I take from the passage in Isaiah. I mentioned one of them in the OP, and the other in post #9, both connected to the thought that their eyes were darkened and the words of the book are sealed.


The words of the book are sealed. And only Christ is worthy to loosen the seals thereof.


Isaiah 29:9
Stay yourselves, and wonder;
cry ye out, and cry:
they are drunken, but not with wine;
they stagger, but not with strong drink.


Notice how this is striking similar to that which was said in the book of Acts when the Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:12-15)


Isaiah 29:10-12
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:

the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed,
which men deliver to one that is learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned,
saying, Read this, I pray thee:
and he saith, I am not learned.


Isaiah 29:13-14
Wherefore the Lord said,
Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth,
and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me,
and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people,
even a marvellous work and a wonder:
for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish,
and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.



The words of the book are sealed. And only Christ is worthy to loosen the seals thereof. The following scriptures will further document this notion. Feel free to discuss.


In the book of Acts when the Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost, the scripture says that everyone heard in their own tongue. What is not revealed in the book of Acts is WHAT they actually heard that day. What was made known to them by the Spirit?

Isaiah 29:9
Stay yourselves, and wonder;
cry ye out, and cry:
they are drunken, but not with wine;
they stagger, but not with strong drink.

This is the first thing of note: this is what the peoples said to Peter, as recorded in the book of Acts.

Acts 2:12-15
And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.


Isaiah 29:10
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep,
and hath closed your eyes:

the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

This is the second thing of note: Was this proclaimed by the Spirit at Pentecost? He has poured upon you the Spirit of deep sleep, and has closed our eyes, But why?

As I stated in post #9, it interesting to note the story of the creation of Eve. How the Lord place Adam into a deep sleep so that He could bring forth His New Creation in Adam. In that creation, Eve was taken from the man Adam under a deep sleep. But now the Lord has poured out the Spirit of deep sleep upon we the man Adam, so that He might bring forth His new creation, which is Christ in Us. The Spirit of Christ in union with our own.
 
Thanks ezra. There are a couple of things of note that I take from the passage in Isaiah. I mentioned one of them in the OP, and the other in post #9, both connected to the thought that their eyes were darkened and the words of the book are sealed.
i will be honest there are many things i dont understand mainly about the times we live in. one would think folks would run to the Lord instead of away .
i do feel they are being blinded and deceived by the god of this world. the Bible says they will have eyes not see eras not here . i often wonder what is wrong with people. but i wasn't exactly a saint in my younger years ... the times we live in should also unite the Church. but instead attendance to the sanctuary. the building we assemble our self with. seem not of much importance . so how can we expect the world we live in to get in when Christians are not interested in Church
 
"Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!” Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
 
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