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There is the WORD, then there is OPINION...do YOU know the difference???

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BigSodaExposer

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EVERY thing outside the word is an OPINION. I don't care if you are watching TV, youtube, listening to the radio, etc. Even listening to the pastor in church. And any pastor that is in truth will agree with me about this.

Whenever its not direct scripture quotes that can be viewed by others, it is an OPINION.

As we post in this forum right now. It is our opinion that this or that verse applies to what WE want it to apply to.

But compared to God? Our opinion is irrelevant. We are merely goldfish in a bowl.

It is my opinion, that the best way to learn the word. Is to read it YOURSELF. If God has given you eyes, and a mind that can comprehend, the only reason for you not reading the word yourself is your own personal choice. Because you love the WORLD, more than the FATHER.

Not to say that sometimes it helps to fathom in the opinion of others, to help create a mental picture. But therein is the problem.

The idea of coming to God, means overcoming the world like Jesus did. It means recognizing sin and repenting. And doing this means you realize that what the world taught us is WORLDLY knowledge. Worldly knowledge does not compare to GODLY knowledge.

Knowing what home "planet" Luke skywalker grew up on, will not help you on the day of judgement (fiction)

Knowing what temperature water freezes at, will not help you on the day of judgement (nonfiction)

Knowing how supposedly the "sun" is made, will not help you on the day of judgement (fiction?)

Knowing what "sin" and "iniquity" is and avoiding it, should help you on the day of judgement (word)

Knowing who Jesus is and what he did for mankind, should help you on the day of judgement(word)

Knowing the bible, should help you on the judgement(word)

(I say should on the last 3 because I am not God. I am just a flesh and blood man on a forum, the choice of what God does is his decision not mine)

Try to keep this in mind while you surf the internet or even listen to a pastor. I heard a pastor the other day say that "the reason God made Eve, was to keep Adam in the middle of the Garden". That was his opinion. But the word never said that. The word says that God made Eve because it is not good for man to be alone. Genesis 2:18 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." It is my OPINION, that means "lonely". See what I did there? But maybe to someone else, it will be perceived differently. But then, how will you ever know? Unless you read it for yourself. Put down the movies and tv, the video games, and everything else. And just read.

You ever been to a library? Do they not try to get you to be quiet? Wonder why that is...

You ever been to the big book stores? They all have a coffee shop inside, and they play music.

Both the library and the book store you see people lounging, reading. One promotes LOGIC, and one promotes PLEASURE.

Reading the bible is not an easy task. Reading the bible is not like reading some book you get at the mall on Saturday. Reading the bible is like lifting mental weights (ESPECIALLY the old testament) I personally find one must be in a quiet environment.

You may read a page and not realize whats going on. Read it again. And truly want to understand it. In time you will lift that weight, in my opinion, of course. (see how that works?)
 
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BigSodaExposer said:
EVERY thing outside the word is an OPINION. I don't care if you are watching TV, youtube, listening to the radio, etc. Even listening to the pastor in church. And any pastor that is in truth will agree with me about this.

Whenever its not direct scripture quotes that can be viewed by others, it is an OPINION.

As we post in this forum right now. It is our opinion that this or that verse applies to what WE want it to apply to.

But compared to God? Our opinion is irrelevant. We are merely goldfish in a bowl.

It is my opinion, that the best way to learn the word. Is to read it YOURSELF. If God has given you eyes, and a mind that can comprehend, the only reason for you not reading the word yourself is your own personal choice. Because you love the WORLD, more than the FATHER.

Not to say that sometimes it helps to fathom in the opinion of others, to help create a mental picture. But therein is the problem.

The idea of coming to God, means overcoming the world like Jesus did. It means recognizing sin and repenting. And doing this means you realize that what the world taught us is WORLDLY knowledge. Worldly knowledge does not compare to GODLY knowledge.

Knowing what home "planet" Luke skywalker grew up on, will not help you on the day of judgement (fiction)

Knowing what temperature water freezes at, will not help you on the day of judgement (nonfiction)

Knowing how supposedly the "sun" is made, will not help you on the day of judgement (fiction?)

Knowing what "sin" and "iniquity" is and avoiding it, should help you on the day of judgement (word)

Knowing who Jesus is and what he did for mankind, should help you on the day of judgement(word)

Knowing the bible, should help you on the judgement(word)

(I say should on the last 3 because I am not God. I am just a flesh and blood man on a forum, the choice of what God does is his decision not mine)

Try to keep this in mind while you surf the internet or even listen to a pastor. I heard a pastor the other day say that "the reason God made Eve, was to keep Adam in the middle of the Garden". That was his opinion. But the word never said that. The word says that God made Eve because it is not good for man to be alone. Genesis 2:18 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." It is my OPINION, that means "lonely". See what I did there? But maybe to someone else, it will be perceived differently. But then, how will you ever know? Unless you read it for yourself. Put down the movies and tv, the video games, and everything else. And just read.

You ever been to a library? Do they not try to get you to be quiet? Wonder why that is...

You ever been to the big book stores? They all have a coffee shop inside, and they play music.

Both the library and the book store you see people lounging, reading. One promotes LOGIC, and one promotes PLEASURE.

Reading the bible is not an easy task. Reading the bible is not like reading some book you get at the mall on Saturday. Reading the bible is like lifting mental weights (ESPECIALLY the old testament) I personally find one must be in a quiet environment.

You may read a page and not realize whats going on. Read it again. And truly want to understand it. In time you will lift that weight, in my opinion, of course. (see how that works?)
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Of course, all that is just your opinion, right? And you just said, right at the beginning of the post, that opinions are irrelevant, didn't you? So, what exactly are we to make of this post?

The TOG​
 
BigSodaExposer said:
EVERY thing outside the word is an OPINION. I don't care if you are watching TV, youtube, listening to the radio, etc. Even listening to the pastor in church. And any pastor that is in truth will agree with me about this.

Whenever its not direct scripture quotes that can be viewed by others, it is an OPINION.

As we post in this forum right now. It is our opinion that this or that verse applies to what WE want it to apply to.

But compared to God? Our opinion is irrelevant. We are merely goldfish in a bowl.

It is my opinion, that the best way to learn the word. Is to read it YOURSELF. If God has given you eyes, and a mind that can comprehend, the only reason for you not reading the word yourself is your own personal choice. Because you love the WORLD, more than the FATHER.

Not to say that sometimes it helps to fathom in the opinion of others, to help create a mental picture. But therein is the problem.

The idea of coming to God, means overcoming the world like Jesus did. It means recognizing sin and repenting. And doing this means you realize that what the world taught us is WORLDLY knowledge. Worldly knowledge does not compare to GODLY knowledge.

Knowing what home "planet" Luke skywalker grew up on, will not help you on the day of judgement (fiction)

Knowing what temperature water freezes at, will not help you on the day of judgement (nonfiction)

Knowing how supposedly the "sun" is made, will not help you on the day of judgement (fiction?)

Knowing what "sin" and "iniquity" is and avoiding it, should help you on the day of judgement (word)

Knowing who Jesus is and what he did for mankind, should help you on the day of judgement(word)

Knowing the bible, should help you on the judgement(word)

(I say should on the last 3 because I am not God. I am just a flesh and blood man on a forum, the choice of what God does is his decision not mine)

Try to keep this in mind while you surf the internet or even listen to a pastor. I heard a pastor the other day say that "the reason God made Eve, was to keep Adam in the middle of the Garden". That was his opinion. But the word never said that. The word says that God made Eve because it is not good for man to be alone. Genesis 2:18 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." It is my OPINION, that means "lonely". See what I did there? But maybe to someone else, it will be perceived differently. But then, how will you ever know? Unless you read it for yourself. Put down the movies and tv, the video games, and everything else. And just read.

You ever been to a library? Do they not try to get you to be quiet? Wonder why that is...

You ever been to the big book stores? They all have a coffee shop inside, and they play music.

Both the library and the book store you see people lounging, reading. One promotes LOGIC, and one promotes PLEASURE.

Reading the bible is not an easy task. Reading the bible is not like reading some book you get at the mall on Saturday. Reading the bible is like lifting mental weights (ESPECIALLY the old testament) I personally find one must be in a quiet environment.

You may read a page and not realize whats going on. Read it again. And truly want to understand it. In time you will lift that weight, in my opinion, of course. (see how that works?)
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I would give a great deal to have folks understand your goldfish in the bowl remark and yet the idea of the truth contained there is the most rebeled against other than the Christ died for my sins.

Good post brother.
 
th1b.taylor said:
I would give a great deal to have folks understand your goldfish in the bowl remark and yet the idea of the truth contained there is the most rebeled against other than the Christ died for my sins.

Good post brother.
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thank you, well imagine this, the dark angel explained to Job that he didn't make the sun come up. And Gods angels have charge over humans because of err (error) He also explained to him that when he dies he will go back to the dirt. So basically saying "you are a flesh an blood mortal, not god". The goldfish is us. The bowl is this Earth. When I was a boy. I remember hearing the hardcore christians say things like "dinosaurs didnt really exist", and I thought that was the nuttiest thing. But I get it now. What they taught us in school about the "sun" is basically worthless information. Do you know what Genesis says about the "sun" and "moon"? Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" I dunno about you. But when I was a boy, the noon sun was YELLOW. And now the noon sun is WHITE. Anything besides sun set or rise is now white sun. Where we used to get the beautiful orange and red sunsets 20-30 years ago. Remember? That seems like a sign to me. Okay here is where it gets interesting Genesis 1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." Notice God did not say he put a ball of gas in space for the day, or a dead rock (moon) for the night. The moon hasn't been acting right since mid 2011. Anyone that speaks out is called a crazy and persecuted. But the thing is, I am just a man. A goldfish in a bowl, a child in a playpen. I cannot fly up there in "space" and tell whats really up there OR not. All I have is a few talking heads in our world that tell me how space is. But that word tells me its just two lights in the "firmament".

If Satan runs the world, (which the bible tells us so), and he is the father of lies (which the bible also tells us), then that means somebody is lying about space. Do I fear the one that kills the body? Or the one that has the power to kill my soul?
 
BigSodaExposer said:
Genesis 1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." Notice God did not say he put a ball of gas in space for the day, or a dead rock (moon) for the night. The moon hasn't been acting right since mid 2011. Anyone that speaks out is called a crazy and persecuted.
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If the 2 great lights isn't a reference to the sun and moon, what are they?

And why isn't the moon acting right?
 
BigSodaExposer said:
thank you, well imagine this, the dark angel explained to Job that he didn't make the sun come up. And Gods angels have charge over humans because of err (error) He also explained to him that when he dies he will go back to the dirt. So basically saying "you are a flesh an blood mortal, not god". The goldfish is us. The bowl is this Earth. When I was a boy. I remember hearing the hardcore christians say things like "dinosaurs didnt really exist", and I thought that was the nuttiest thing. But I get it now. What they taught us in school about the "sun" is basically worthless information. Do you know what Genesis says about the "sun" and "moon"? Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" I dunno about you. But when I was a boy, the noon sun was YELLOW. And now the noon sun is WHITE. Anything besides sun set or rise is now white sun. Where we used to get the beautiful orange and red sunsets 20-30 years ago. Remember? That seems like a sign to me. Okay here is where it gets interesting Genesis 1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." Notice God did not say he put a ball of gas in space for the day, or a dead rock (moon) for the night. The moon hasn't been acting right since mid 2011. Anyone that speaks out is called a crazy and persecuted. But the thing is, I am just a man. A goldfish in a bowl, a child in a playpen. I cannot fly up there in "space" and tell whats really up there OR not. All I have is a few talking heads in our world that tell me how space is. But that word tells me its just two lights in the "firmament".

If Satan runs the world, (which the bible tells us so), and he is the father of lies (which the bible also tells us), then that means somebody is lying about space. Do I fear the one that kills the body? Or the one that has the power to kill my soul?
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I don't see what your point is. Why does somebody have to be lying? Where is the problem?
 
Knowing how supposedly the "sun" is made, will not help you on the day of judgement (fiction?)
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Past tense was and I do know. God created it. How do I know? Because I read The Word.

You mention pleasure and reading as being mutually exclusionary. In my opinion I get a great deal of pleasure studying His word, with a nice espresso (made at home..no coffee shop for 60 miles..) The espresso sharpens ones focus:confused2 when reading and tastes great too. Surely that is not going to automatically exclude me from His kingdom is it? :nod
 
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Knowing what "sin" and "iniquity" is and avoiding it, should help you on the day of judgement (word)

Knowing who Jesus is and what he did for mankind, should help you on the day of judgement(word)

Knowing the bible, should help you on the judgement(word)
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Well these things will only help you if you know Jesus.
Jesus is a person, not words on the page.

As for the word, every English translation has opinions within it. Really the only absolute word is the original copy in the original language. And while we don't have that, we have a pretty good idea of the original for at least 99%.
 
BigSodaExposer said:
thank you, well imagine this, the dark angel explained to Job that he didn't make the sun come up. And Gods angels have charge over humans because of err (error) He also explained to him that when he dies he will go back to the dirt. So basically saying "you are a flesh an blood mortal, not god". The goldfish is us. The bowl is this Earth. When I was a boy. I remember hearing the hardcore christians say things like "dinosaurs didnt really exist", and I thought that was the nuttiest thing. But I get it now. What they taught us in school about the "sun" is basically worthless information. Do you know what Genesis says about the "sun" and "moon"? Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" I dunno about you. But when I was a boy, the noon sun was YELLOW. And now the noon sun is WHITE. Anything besides sun set or rise is now white sun. Where we used to get the beautiful orange and red sunsets 20-30 years ago. Remember? That seems like a sign to me. Okay here is where it gets interesting Genesis 1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." Notice God did not say he put a ball of gas in space for the day, or a dead rock (moon) for the night. The moon hasn't been acting right since mid 2011. Anyone that speaks out is called a crazy and persecuted. But the thing is, I am just a man. A goldfish in a bowl, a child in a playpen. I cannot fly up there in "space" and tell whats really up there OR not. All I have is a few talking heads in our world that tell me how space is. But that word tells me its just two lights in the "firmament".

If Satan runs the world, (which the bible tells us so), and he is the father of lies (which the bible also tells us), then that means somebody is lying about space. Do I fear the one that kills the body? Or the one that has the power to kill my soul?
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I'd be concerned about maintaining my Christian faith if I planned on reading the bible this literally. I'm not a Christian, but I would think one of the biggest challenges for believers is in deciding which scriptures are to be read as scientific, solid, no-doubt-about-it FACT, and which scriptures are not for one reason or another (allegory, parable, figurative language). Christians disagree on which scriptures should be read in which way, and there's no mechanism that can prove one determination over another. For example, when "the sun and moon stood still" for Joshua, did the sun and moon and the entire galaxy stop ALL of its motions as would have been necessary, or did the earth stop its rotation, or was it something else? There's either information missing, or the information provided isn't exactly correct, or some other explanation applies.
 
Hatuey said:
I'd be concerned about maintaining my Christian faith if I planned on reading the bible this literally. I'm not a Christian, but I would think one of the biggest challenges for believers is in deciding which scriptures are to be read as scientific, solid, no-doubt-about-it FACT, and which scriptures are not for one reason or another (allegory, parable, figurative language). Christians disagree on which scriptures should be read in which way, and there's no mechanism that can prove one determination over another. For example, when "the sun and moon stood still" for Joshua, did the sun and moon and the entire galaxy stop ALL of its motions as would have been necessary, or did the earth stop its rotation, or was it something else? There's either information missing, or the information provided isn't exactly correct, or some other explanation applies.
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Christianity is about faith not science. If one will not talk to God and open their eyes and ears to the Gospel message, one will never understand because they Cannot.
Jesus said this to the unbelieving Jews in the first century......

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Unbelievers today, whether they be Jew or Gentile, are just the same as the unbelievers then. God is willing, they are not.
 
in my 67 years science has adjusted it "facts" on so many fronts it takes faith in science to believe what they say..

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reba said:
in my 67 years science has adjusted it "facts" on so many fronts it takes faith in science to believe what they say..
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It is the goal of science to be as accurate as possible, so it adapts and adjusts to new information. I see much more value and strength in that practice than if science were to dogmatically claim according to faith when the idea can be disproved. Science doesn't require faith. Your computer and the MRI machine down at the hospital will work just as well for some crazy cult follower who has zero belief in science as it does for a nuclear physicist. The power of science is its ability to cause measurable, predictable results.

With a laser, a pair of scissors, and a 3x5 notecard, you can prove wave-particle duality of sub-atomic particles. No such test exists for proving anything at all about any belief in gods or magic.
 
It is the goal of science to be as accurate as possible,
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maybe a few years back but not now... the most obvious example is the coming new ice age of the 70s to... global warming ....to climate change... The science text book of about 1956 -7 5th grade had a picture of human foot prints and dino foot prints preserved in the same mud .
As any other group of humans there is good and bad in the ranks.. the science world has very little credibility in my simple mind...
 
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