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These verses PROVE God endorses abortions!

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3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

There you have it!

The infant can be put to death if it is for a "Holy" cause!

So do not judge the baby killers too harshly as YOUR God has promoted it many times in the past!

Here are some more verses for you all!


Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.

Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.

Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.

I Samuel 15:3 slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.

2 Kings 8:12 dash their children, and rip up their women with child.

2 Kings 15:16 all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.

Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.

Isaiah 13:18 They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

Lamentations 2:20 Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.

Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.

Hosea 9:14 give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

Hosea 13:16 their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. This describes current baby killing clinics to a "T".!
 
Welcome back Soma. I see you are still struggling to discredit God. Good luck with that.
 
I don't think Soma has ever discredited God, rather I think he has been very effective in bringing to light the various flaws that exist in the Bible. In literalizing the Bible and declaring it to be the 'perfect Word of God', these flaws have, in turn, been projected onto the divine face.

It is now time to wipe away these smudges, and see the pure face of God, who appears to contrast the murderous, tribal deity that is sometimes evident within the Bible.
 
"Absolutely nothing! The word "abortion" does not appear in any translation of the bible!"

Some problems. In Galatians 5:20 Paul lists "sorcery" as one of the sins. However, the word used is pharmakeia, which simply has to do with making and giving potions. Common in the Greco-Roman era were potions that would induce abortion.

Similarly, in Reveleation 21:8, John lists "sorcerers," or the plural pharmakois, but this time it comes right after "the sexual immoral." Needless to say that today, as then, it is those who practice sexual immorality that account for the vast majority of abortions.

The usage of this word for abortifacients has solid backing outside of Scripture. Plutarch, a pagan, the Didache, and Clement of Alexandria all identify pharmakeia as a potion used to induce abortions. There is much more evidence but this is sufficient.

This is only one of that sites many problems. It clearly ignores Jewish history, religion, and culture and the subsequent Christian beliefs of the sanctity of human life in the womb. Even Flavius Josephus the Jewish historian wrote that the Pentateuch taught that abortion was wrong.

Note that this was all adapted from "Under the Influence: How Christianity Transformed Civilization" by Alvin J. Schmidt.

AHIMSA said:
I don't think Soma has ever discredited God, rather I think he has been very effective in bringing to light the various flaws that exist in the Bible.
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Not at all. It just shows what happens when people do too little research, especially when their "research" comes from a site called "Freedom From Religion Foundation." A little biased? Me thinks so.

You believe all too easliy what you see and hear Ahimsa. The Bible calls us to think critically and rationally, not give in to every teaching that comes across our path.
 
AHIMSA said:
I don't think Soma has ever discredited God, rather I think he has been very effective in bringing to light the various flaws that exist in the Bible. In literalizing the Bible and declaring it to be the 'perfect Word of God', these flaws have, in turn, been projected onto the divine face.

It is now time to wipe away these smudges, and see the pure face of God, who appears to contrast the murderous, tribal deity that is sometimes evident within the Bible.
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So Killing is OK as per you and Soma ?
 
Please READ the verses I put up!

They PROVE that GOD has sanctioned and recommended the death of infants!

Very simple!

Is this what Jesus would do?

Kill babies because they are born of the wrong race?
 
Nikki,

Just read the verses and let me know how you FEEL about them!

My pet project that so many seem to believe I am on is the SAME one we are ALL on!

The quest for the diamonds in the rough!

The Truth amidst lies!
 
Nikki said:
Scott said:
Is another project for one of your classes, Soma?
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the reason I don't even reply to his stuff anymore.
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It is probably a better policy and one I think I will adopt.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Nikki,

Just read the verses and let me know how you FEEL about them!

My pet project that so many seem to believe I am on is the SAME one we are ALL on!

The quest for the diamonds in the rough!

The Truth amidst lies!
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Those are commandments given to Israel as a nation to war with enemies , For example China or Russia planning to rage a war against US and Americans knew that in advance, Would you call it is evil for America to go and attack them? , If there is a war then the output is inevitable!

As I said earlier, God is the author of Life, if I were to take a life it is evil because I cannot give it back but that is not true for God. God will take lives as a result of Judgment or giving eternal life
 
I'm not going to argue about whether God endorses abortion. (Though, I think anyone with half a brain can see that is lunacy. Christ warned of losing sight of God's primary goals for humanity by relying on a few obscure biblical lines) There are plenty of nonreligious reasons to oppose abortion.
 
Soma Sight said:
a few?

I think there are more than a few here!
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Well, given how many lines there are in the Bible total, I think it qualifies as a few. Regardless, this is what Christ warned people about. Like when he was criticized for healing on the Sabbath. People were so concerned about not breaking the laws of the Sabbath, they broke about a hundred other of God's laws to keep from doing it. So you can find instances where God may or may not have permitted the murder of children to support the idea that he is okay with abortion, or you could look at the big picture, and realize one of the Ten Commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill.

And like I said, there are many nonreligious reasons for opposing abortion.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Please READ the verses I put up!

They PROVE that GOD has sanctioned and recommended the death of infants!

Very simple!

Is this what Jesus would do?

Kill babies because they are born of the wrong race?
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And just who do you think it was that started orphanages for all the unwanted babies that were abandoned by the Romans and Greeks? Who do you think went against the grain of Greco-Roman culture to lead the way against infanticide, the murder of infants? It was all Christians. Orphanges were a result of Christians following the teachings of the Bible.

It seems you have discovered just how easy it is to take things in the Bible out of context, especially when there is little understanding of the Bible to begin with. God does not sanction abortion or infanticide.

The passages you gave have nothing to do with being born of the wrong race. They are God's judgements on those who lived in sin. Sin extends to whole nations, which is why for some relatively small sins God severely punished the Israelites themselves. Sin is almost never something that only affects the person or persons committing it. The acceptance of sin by a nation shows its depravity, which is why God commanded everyone to be killed.
 
Muad'Dib said:
So you can find instances where God may or may not have permitted the murder of children to support the idea that he is okay with abortion, or you could look at the big picture, and realize one of the Ten Commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill.
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So how do you reconcile that God says that people should not kill as one commandment and then tells people to kill under other commandments? This is when God was setting up the laws and people were trying to decide what the punishment should be for breaking God's laws. It seems hypocritical for God to say "Don't kill. Now go and kill the ones that do not follow the law."

Free said:
And just who do you think it was that started orphanages for all the unwanted babies that were abandoned by the Romans and Greeks? Who do you think went against the grain of Greco-Roman culture to lead the way against infanticide, the murder of infants? It was all Christians. Orphanges were a result of Christians following the teachings of the Bible.
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If only the Hebrews had followed the principles of Jesus instead of God. If so, instead of killing the children, the Hebrews would have set up orphanages.

But this is contradictory if Jesus is suppose to be God. Does Jesus/God want children killed or put in orphanages?

It seems you have discovered just how easy it is to take things in the Bible out of context, especially when there is little understanding of the Bible to begin with. God does not sanction abortion or infanticide.
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It seems clear that the life of a child is not worth much if God says "And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." or "Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. " or "With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens." You may say it is out of context, but it is clear that God is saying there is glory to killing these children. If God is the father of these children as He is of Israel, how can you reconcile God's desire to see his children killed?

We know from DNA that there is no "evil gene." If these children were brought up in the right environment, they would be just as good as any of the Iaraelites. So why destroy them? What has a baby done that God wants it dead so badly?

Quath
 
The reason you won't find the words "fetus" or "abortion" in the Bible is because God never made the distinction between a life in the mothers womb and a life outside of it.

YOU make the word "abortion" to ease your conscience because you know deep down inside it's "murder". YOU make the word "fetus" because to ease your conscience because you know deep down inside it's a living baby, a child.

Your reasoning is foolishness, like all your posts. "A life for a life" "Thou shall not commit murder".

Why does God use the word "child" instead of "fetus"? Because it IS a child, the same as any other child, in or out of the womb, no distinction needs to be made.

Why doesn't God use the word "abortion" instead of "murder"? Because it's all murder, no distinction needs to be made.

The only stumbling block that is in the way of the truth for you, besides not having eyes to see, is your own foolish attempts to hide your sin from yourself with a language of illussion.

Have a nice day. :)
 
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