Thoughts about Reincarnation

[elmer d]

What do you guys think of this...

When I was a kid I always had nightmares about getting crushed in a firey place.

In school I coudnt stand just sitting down the whole day :mad

hmmm

 

[Pard]

are you equating those feelings to being a rodent or an insect of some kind in a former life?

:biglol

It doesn't happen. That's the extent of my thoughts on reincarnation...

When I was a child I would stalk around the yard on the balls of my feet with my arms held close to my body and my pinky and thumb tucked into my palm. Doesn't mean I was once a raptor... I just wanted to be one

 

[elmer d]

Hmmm I meant

We we`re all here on earth before

its just that our soul is in a different human body...

crazy huhhh

 

[Nick]

are you equating those feelings to being a rodent or an insect of some kind in a former life?

:biglol

It doesn't happen. That's the extent of my thoughts on reincarnation...

When I was a child I would stalk around the yard on the balls of my feet with my arms held close to my body and my pinky and thumb tucked into my palm. Doesn't mean I was once a raptor... I just wanted to be one

I agree Pard. I don't see any Biblical nor scientific support for it.

But perhaps you weren't wanting to be a raptor enought Pard, otherwise you mgith have evolved into one. ;) :biglol

 

[stovebolts]

Many religions today from the more recent $cientology, to hinduism, to the Kabalist believe, and support the ideal of reincarnation.

That being said, how would ya'all interpret this verse?

Hebrews 9:27-28 And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this cometh judgment; so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation.

 

[Nick]

Many religions today from the more recent $cientology, to hinduism, to the Kabalist believe, and support the ideal of reincarnation.

That being said, how would ya'all interpret this verse?

Hebrews 9:27-28 And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this cometh judgment; so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation.

I'm not sure to be honest, but I don't think it supports reincarnation. If the Bible did, I am sure it would have been talked about more in it. So far that verse is all that I have seen that even suggests reincarnation.

 

[Pard]

Many religions today from the more recent $cientology, to hinduism, to the Kabalist believe, and support the ideal of reincarnation.

That being said, how would ya'all interpret this verse?

Hebrews 9:27-28 And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this cometh judgment; so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation.

I dunno.

Can God reincarnate Himself? He'd have to die first, right? He never died, perhaps a physical body He had been using died, but never the part that counts, the Spirit. Right?

 

[elmer d]

God cant get affected by our earthly rule...

our thoughts got erased from the recent past

i dunno... lol :rolling

just food for thought :biglaugh

 

[jimmy_james]

I dunno.

Can God reincarnate Himself? He'd have to die first, right? He never died, perhaps a physical body He had been using died, but never the part that counts, the Spirit. Right?

Reincarnation is just the body dieing. Jesus would technically be the reincarnation of Yahweh. God placed his spirit into Jesus and Jesus came and died, but God's spirit is everlasting. The name Christ actually originates from the name of the Hindu God Krishna. Christ - Krishna. Krishna was the continuous reincarnation of the omnipresent God in human form. Every time Krishna would want to meet with us, he would reincarnate as an Avatar for us to comprehend.

In Christianity Reincarnation is how we get to the next world. As how Stovebolt showed in his post.

 

[jasoncran]

no, jesus well is the yahweh do a degree in that the trinity is three is one(trinity)
we die but our new bodies are immortal, and we dont die after that!

 

[Mike]

I suppose I've always associated "reincarnation" with Hinduism. But being more open-minded about it...

Incarnate means to be "embodied in flesh", so reincarnate would be to be "embodied in flesh again". That said, reincarnation, in the biblical sense would be the state of having been embodied in flesh again. And we will be resurrected in spirit and in flesh:

2 Cor: "42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven."

I'm sharing this more for myself than anyone else. I wince at the term "reincarnation", but to it's true meaning, we will be reincarnated when we are raised in spirit and in flesh.

 

[jasoncran]

the difference tween our version of it and the hinduistic version is that only the one given a new immortal body will have flesh, those sent to hell wont be in a human like body since hell is for the tormenting of spirits

 

[Mike]

the difference tween our version of it and the hinduistic version is that only the one given a new immortal body will have flesh, those sent to hell wont be in a human like body since hell is for the tormenting of spirits

Agreed. In saying "we", I was referring to the believers who are given eternal life with the Lord. They will be resurrected (reincarnated) in spirit and flesh. Those condemned will be apart from Him for eternity. I don't want to steer this to another discussion on "eternity in hell".

 

[jasoncran]

of course. buddhism and hiduism believe in karma and reincarnation.

 

[seekandlisten]

I'm not sure to be honest, but I don't think it supports reincarnation. If the Bible did, I am sure it would have been talked about more in it. So far that verse is all that I have seen that even suggests reincarnation.

Interesting. I usually see Christians using Hebrews 9:27-28 as a means of refuting reincarnation, although I personally think that it's a misuse of the passage.

As far as Biblical support for reincarnation, the following are interesting to look at while looking into reincarnation.

Matthew 11:13-14
Matthew 17:10-13
Mark 9:13
Luke 1:17
Jeremiah 1:4-5,
Ephesians 1:4
Malachi 1:2-3
Romans 9:11-13
Job 1:20-21
Job 19:25-27
Ecclesiastes 1:4-9
John 9:1
Mark 10:29-30
Mark 24:34

The Gnostic books also support it depending on you view of the validity of them.

"When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will bear!" (Gospel of Thomas)

All people have drunk the water of forgetfulness and exist in a state of ignorance. Some are able to overcome ignorance through the Spirit of life that descends upon them. These souls "will be saved and will become perfect," that is, escape the round of rebirth. John asks Jesus what will happen to those who do not attain salvation. They are hurled down "into forgetfulness" and thrown into "prison", the Gnostic code word for new body. The only way for these souls to escape, says Jesus, is to emerge from forgetfulness and acquire knowledge. A soul in this situation can do so by finding a teacher or savior who has the strength to lead her home. "This soul needs to follow another soul in whom the Spirit of life dwells, because she is saved through the Spirit. Then she will never be thrust into flesh again." (Secret Book of John)

A "man who curses" is given a body that will be continually "troubled in heart". A "man who slanders" receives a body that will be "oppressed". A thief receives a "lame, crooked and blind body". A "proud" and "scornful" man receives "a lame and ugly body" that "everyone continually despises." (Pistis Sophia)

"... I was given a sound body to live in because I was already good." (Wisdom of Solomon 8:19-20)

Paul makes some inferences as well depending on your perspective with the following:

". . . If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body." (1 Corinthians 15:44)

"I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable." (1 Corinthians 15:50)

Two very good books on the subject are Reincarnation for the Christian by Quincy Howe Jr. or Reincarnation: The Missing Link in Christianity by Elizabeth Clair Prophet.

It's also interesting to note that in 545 AD you have Emperor Justinian drafting a papal decree making it punishable up to and including death to believe in reincarnation.

“If anyone asserts the fabulous preexistence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema. (The Anathemas against Origen), attached to the decrees of the Fifth Ecumenical Council, A.D. 545, in Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2d ser., 14: 318).â€

Definitely an interesting subject.

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

thats only for the believers nothing else, no others well be ressurected, and upon ressurections its to a better body of no death, once thats it.

heaven or hell, not the other version of live. die, and reform to a higher or lower form depending ones deeds. besided why does one want to accept something from religion that believes in castes and that killing the dalit is a good and honorable thing? the dalit are the lowest caste and are killed for just looking at the higher castes, they also arent educated.

 

[seekandlisten]

heaven or hell, not the other version of live. die, and reform to a higher or lower form depending ones deeds.

According to your religion, heaven and hell is also decided upon by deeds. Early Christians who believed in reincarnation did not believe in reforming to a 'lower form'. There are many different beliefs regarding reincarnation depending on what religion's take on it you want to look at.

besided why does one want to accept something from religion that believes in castes and that killing the dalit is a good and honorable thing?

Hindu's aren't the only religion that believe in reincarnation.

Many religions view 'killing in the name of God' to be a honorable thing but that doesn't make it true.

the dalit are the lowest caste and are killed for just looking at the higher castes, they also arent educated.

Although the country is making progress and starting to change their view, which is good.

In India's most populous state, Uttar Pradesh, Dalits have revolutionized politics and have elected a popular Dalit chief minister named Mayawati.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

that is only cause of the efforts of a christian group called gospel for asia which had been the only few that actually taught them to read and gave them medicine and the means to live a better life

go to winasia.org.

i listen to him when i can.(kp yohanlon). he has literally been beaten,bruised and threatened for preaching the gospel and he is from utar pradeesh!

 

[elmer d]

intereting views you got there guys..... hmmmm castes?

yah many religions believe in reincarnation too....

Maybe were old souls....we keep coming back to earth because we need to learn something before we get heaven..... And earth, earth is hell.

ahahahha i dunno just my view, i know its outside christianity.

im crazy my screw is loose lol

 

[Lance_Iguana]

intereting views you got there guys..... hmmmm castes?

yah many religions believe in reincarnation too....

Maybe were old souls....we keep coming back to earth because we need to learn something before we get heaven..... And earth, earth is hell.

ahahahha i dunno just my view, i know its outside christianity.

im crazy my screw is loose lol

If the Earth is Hell, and we are in a cycle of birth, rebirth, and death to obtain knowledge to ascend. Then that would be Buddhism. Though Siddhartha taught of a man in the west that would end the cycle Possibly Jesus, so reincarnation might have ended with the death of Christ.

I don't know, 3 am mind wanks fo ya.