Time And Chance ?

[Lewis]

Was Jesus saying in Luke 13: 4 that time and chance could happen to us all ? You can be a Holy Ghost filled Bible thumping Christian and still walk down to the corner and get killed by a Mac truck. I remember some years back a staunch Bible believing Christian young man was beaten to death with a baseball bat. And I said to myself God why did you let that happened to this follower of Jesus happen? But time and chance can happen to us all. And that seems to be what Jesus is saying in Luke 13: 4. Or being at the wrong place at the wrong time. So what do you guy's think He is saying ?

 

[Kathi]

There is no chance.God is in control of everything on this earth.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

There is no chance.God is in control of everything on this earth.

Amen Kathi.
The world will perish but
Romans 8:34;
Romans 8:27;
Jesus is always interceding for the saints.
Nothing happens to us by chance.
We die when God calls us.

 

[Lewis]

There is no chance.God is in control of everything on this earth.

WOW that is some statement. He sees all, He knows all, He has all power. The question is, why does He let these things happen. He already know every person according to Jeremiah 1:5 He knows us all. So even though He knows you love Him bad things can and will happen.

 

[Kathi]

WOW that is some statement. He sees all, He knows all, He has all power.

Yes,that is right.Everything that happens is not by chance but from the authority of God.

 

[Gary]

WOW that is some statement. He sees all, He knows all, He has all power. The question is, why does He let these things happen. He already know every person according to Jeremiah 1:5 He knows us all. So even though He knows you love Him bad things can and will happen.

The atrocities in the Middle East are a testament to that.
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[Brother Mike]

Was Jesus saying in Luke 13: 4 that time and chance could happen to us all ? You can be a Holy Ghost filled Bible thumping Christian and still walk down to the corner and get killed by a Mac truck. I remember some years back a staunch Bible believing Christian young man was beaten to death with a baseball bat. And I said to myself God why did you let that happened to this follower of Jesus happen? But time and chance can happen to us all. And that seems to be what Jesus is saying in Luke 13: 4. Or being at the wrong place at the wrong time. So what do you guy's think He is saying ?

He is saying keep reading and compare scriptures not just take one scripture and look at that. That is what He is saying.

There is no chance.God is in control of everything on this earth.

Jesus said, Pray this way. Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
How many folks getting run over by mack trucks in Heaven? I have never been to Heaven, but I can make an educated guess that NOBODY has yet been run over by a Mack truck in Heaven.

It's pretty clear a whole lot of things go down here on earth, that God has nothing to do with. God does not have two seperate wills, one for earth and one for Heaven, othewise Jesus would not have prayed, Your rule and authority here as it is also in Heaven. (Kingdom)

We get a glimpes of why God's will is not done her on earth and Why folks get run over by mack trucks.

He gave the Earth to the children of men but the heavens belong to the Lord.

So, there are zero scriptures that tell us everything here happens under the authority of God. Can't be the will and authority of God that little Jimmy gets hit and killed on his big wheel at the ripe old age of 5 and miss all that God has called him to do. Can't be.

I know a theif though, that came to kill, steal and destory. It's his will and we are told not to give him a place and resist him by faith. what happens if you don't resist him and give him a place? That God's fault?

Amen Kathi.
The world will perish but
Romans 8:34;
Romans 8:27;
Jesus is always interceding for the saints.
Nothing happens to us by chance.
We die when God calls us.

Paul said I must now offer myself up. (Pauls choice) Jesus said no man take my life unelss I lay it down. (Jesus Choice) Some not accepting deliverance that they may obtain a better ressurection. (Whatever that is or why it's better)

When we have done all we are called to do, then we have a right to ask to come home.
We don't let the enemy take us out early, we resist him by faith and be dilligent. Not slothful, and what ever happens, happens.

Two scriptures say, it's appointed for man to die once, and there is a time to die and a time to live. Neither scipture says God has anything to do with those times but that we will die eventually.

Death and life are in the Power of our tounge, we will eat the fruit of it, and those that want to see many good days will refrain their tonge from speaking guile. I have a bunch more that will extend your life on earth.

 

[Gary]

So, there are zero scriptures that tell us everything here happens under the authority of God. Can't be the will and authority of God that little Jimmy gets hit and killed on his big wheel at the ripe old age of 5 and miss all that God has called him to do. Can't be.

Matthew 10
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will.

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[Willie T]

WOW that is some statement. He sees all, He knows all, He has all power. The question is, why does He let these things happen. He already know every person according to Jeremiah 1:5 He knows us all. So even though He knows you love Him bad things can and will happen.

Perhaps you are mistakenly thinking staying alive is the goal?

 

[Brother Mike]

Matthew 10
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will.

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One misunderstood scripture does not negate 20 other scriptures. So it has to be we just need to understand the one so that it lines up with the 20 others.

Mat 10:29-31 kjva 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Jesus is saying the same things He said in Matt 6. "Your Father already knows you have need of these things. Two sparrows are sold for a Farthing, and as one shall not fall on the ground without your father (As in Knowing) So are the number of Hairs on your head are numbered.

There is nothing in any Greek Text that says the Father caused, or it's the Fathers will any Sparrow fell that he knows just like the number of hairs on your head. Will was added by the translators, and apart was.


Deu 30:19 kjva I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Who is making the choice to live or die here?


Psa 34:12-14 kjva 12 What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? 13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. 14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

What happens if you speak any old thing and don't depart from evil, then what happens?


Job 36:11 kjva If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

What happens if you don't obey and serve him?

Isa 1:19-20 kjva 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

What happens if your not willing and obedient?

1Pe 3:10 kjva For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

What could you do if you don't want to see many good days or have long life?

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I could go on, but you don't take One, and ignore 20. There are zero scriptures that say God has authority over everything that happens. We are told what to do, and what to expect. If we don't obey the Word, then bad things happen, not God's fault, ours.

And even if the Translators did not add the Word will (Thayer definition, not strongs) it just makes God in complete control of sparrows. However, that is not what Jesus was trying to get across.

 

[Gary]

One misunderstood scripture does not negate 20 other scriptures. So it has to be we just need to understand the one so that it lines up with the 20 others.

Mat 10:29-31 kjva 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Jesus is saying the same things He said in Matt 6. "Your Father already knows you have need of these things. Two sparrows are sold for a Farthing, and as one shall not fall on the ground without your father (As in Knowing) So are the number of Hairs on your head are numbered.

There is nothing in any Greek Text that says the Father caused, or it's the Fathers will any Sparrow fell that he knows just like the number of hairs on your head. Will was added by the translators, and apart was.


Deu 30:19 kjva I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Who is making the choice to live or die here?


Psa 34:12-14 kjva 12 What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? 13 Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. 14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

What happens if you speak any old thing and don't depart from evil, then what happens?


Job 36:11 kjva If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity, and their years in pleasures.

What happens if you don't obey and serve him?

Isa 1:19-20 kjva 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

What happens if your not willing and obedient?

1Pe 3:10 kjva For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

What could you do if you don't want to see many good days or have long life?

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I could go on, but you don't take One, and ignore 20. There are zero scriptures that say God has authority over everything that happens. We are told what to do, and what to expect. If we don't obey the Word, then bad things happen, not God's fault, ours.

And even if the Translators did not add the Word will (Thayer definition, not strongs) it just makes God in complete control of sparrows. However, that is not what Jesus was trying to get across.

So then, it is your belief that God has no control over an individual's life and death?
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[reba]

Mat_5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

 

[Brother Mike]

So then, it is your belief that God has no control over an individual's life and death?
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What I believe is not important Gary. If I say there are zero scriptures that God has control over every persons life and death, then you better belive that when I make a statement, it's backed by many, scriptures.

I don't believe what I want to believe, I believe what is written. I also believe God's Word is perfect and there are Zero Scriptures that contradict each other.

If one scripture says, death and life are in the power of OUR tongue, then it can't be God is the one controling our life and death. So I look at other scriptures, and find That God mentions a whole lot of things that prolong life or cut life short.

Gary, the Word does not contradict in one place.

God caused David to number the troops, Satan caused David to numer the troops. Both are correct.

Mat_5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

What are you doing Reba? You know better. Trying to sneak one in on me.... umph, like that will work.

A family that went to our church died in a horrible accident saturday on the ice. It was a sad day to loose 2 adults and 2 children that went to the church.

The Pastor quoted the scripture above you posted.

In other words, God murders aimlessly his own people and God murders bad people. All the same to God, he just loves to take em out.

At the end of service the Pastor was saying how good God is. Trying to give that firework ending most Pastors go for. (I know the feeling, I was a Pastor)

The Lord spoke to me and said, "That man does not think I good, He accused me of murder earlier."

Now, God causes it to rain on the just and the unjust. I always heard it, did not think much about it though, like most of us with these sayings that get in our ears.

What is Jesus saying though?

Mat 5:44-45 kjva 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

He is saying the same thing He said in Luke. Pray for them!!!! Now if God wants us to pray for them, then it's a far streach that God would turn around and murder them.

Rain is good!!!! Folks waited for weeks for it to rain to water crops and for their cattle. God sends rain to evil folks and good folk. He is a good God!!!


Luk 6:35-36 kjva 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

But God is murderous to the unthankful............... No, God is Kind to them. He is merciful to them, just like He is to us.

Bout to get Snarky around here.....

 

[Gary]

What I believe is not important Gary. If I say there are zero scriptures that God has control over every persons life and death, then you better belive that when I make a statement, it's backed by many, scriptures.

Proverbs 3
1 My son, do not forget my law,
But let your heart keep my commands;
2 For length of days and long life
And peace they will add to you.

1 Kings 3
14 So if you walk in My ways, to keep My statutes and My commandments, as your father David walked, then I will lengthen your days.”

Proverbs 9
10 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For by me your days will be multiplied,
And years of life will be added to you.



If God isn't in control of an individual's life and death, how is it possible for Him to add years to an individual's life?


Proverbs 10
27 The fear of the Lord prolongs days,
But the years of the wicked will be shortened.


If God has no control over life and death, how can He make that statement?

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[Kathi]

What I believe is not important Gary. If I say there are zero scriptures that God has control over every persons life and death, then you better belive that when I make a statement, it's backed by many, scriptures.

I don't believe what I want to believe, I believe what is written. I also believe God's Word is perfect and there are Zero Scriptures that contradict each other.

If one scripture says, death and life are in the power of OUR tongue, then it can't be God is the one controling our life and death. So I look at other scriptures, and find That God mentions a whole lot of things that prolong life or cut life short.

Gary, the Word does not contradict in one place.

God caused David to number the troops, Satan caused David to numer the troops. Both are correct.



What are you doing Reba? You know better. Trying to sneak one in on me.... umph, like that will work.

A family that went to our church died in a horrible accident saturday on the ice. It was a sad day to loose 2 adults and 2 children that went to the church.

The Pastor quoted the scripture above you posted.

In other words, God murders aimlessly his own people and God murders bad people. All the same to God, he just loves to take em out.

At the end of service the Pastor was saying how good God is. Trying to give that firework ending most Pastors go for. (I know the feeling, I was a Pastor)

The Lord spoke to me and said, "That man does not think I good, He accused me of murder earlier."

Now, God causes it to rain on the just and the unjust. I always heard it, did not think much about it though, like most of us with these sayings that get in our ears.

What is Jesus saying though?

Mat 5:44-45 kjva 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

He is saying the same thing He said in Luke. Pray for them!!!! Now if God wants us to pray for them, then it's a far streach that God would turn around and murder them.

Rain is good!!!! Folks waited for weeks for it to rain to water crops and for their cattle. God sends rain to evil folks and good folk. He is a good God!!!


Luk 6:35-36 kjva 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

But God is murderous to the unthankful............... No, God is Kind to them. He is merciful to them, just like He is to us.

Bout to get Snarky around here.....

What you believe is very important.And what you teach to all the Christians on CF is important as well.

 

[Lewis]

Mat_5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Isaiah 45:7King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

[Gary]

What you believe is very important.And what you teach to all the Christians on CF is important as well.

 

[Kathi]

What would God say if a person is posting Scripture that would make a person stumble and fall?
Matthew 18:5-7
5 Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

Jesus Warns of Offenses
6 “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

 

[Gary]

What would God say if a person is posting Scripture that would make a person stumble and fall?
Matthew 18:5-7
5 Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

Jesus Warns of Offenses
6 “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

Can you give an example of a verse that would cause someone to stumble and fall?
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[reba]

Isaiah 45:7King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

exactly