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Time And Chance ?
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Gary
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Many give Scripture their own definitions.Ignoring the content and the authors intent.
Gary
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Exactly
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Brother Mike
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Heb 11:3 kjva Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Rom 1:20 kjva For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Col 1:16 kjva For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Can you think of anything on this planet God did not Create? Just one thing?
Eze 33:11 kjva Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
If you pay attention, this is one of the scriptures that help you answer your OP. I'll give the rest if you ask.
What I should have said is that if what I believe is not in Line with all the scriptures then it's not important what I believe. What I say does not overide what scriptures say.
God is Good, and is not plotting anyones death nor in control of it. Jesus said I have come that they may have life and have it abundantly. John 10:10
Paul did turn someone over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh though. Not God's best, but the man was in sin and Paul said that he may repent before death that his spirit be saved.
God is not taking anyone out early, nor does he kill. He sent his Word and healed us and delivered us from destruction.
What did Jesus say about the tower Siloam? He explains how it works.
God doesn't kill? what slew Herod? what slew annias and sapphire?
for the death of the saints is a sweet incense unto the lord.God doesn't ordain our deaths? he doesn't allow it?that is gary
s position. he allows us to go through things. men pray for healing sometimes and simply die from that disease
for the death of the saints is a sweet incense unto the lord.God doesn't ordain our deaths? he doesn't allow it?that is gary
s position. he allows us to go through things. men pray for healing sometimes and simply die from that disease
Deborah13
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Mat 10:28 `And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.
Mat 10:29 `Are not two sparrows sold for an assar? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father;
Mat 10:30 and of you--even the hairs of the head are all numbered;
Mat 10:31 be not therefore afraid, than many sparrows ye are better.
Mat 10:32 `Every one, therefore, who shall confess in me before men, I also will confess in him before my Father who is in the heavens;
I see this as a salvation scripture. It needs to be read in context. Be not afraid of those who can harm your body, because God see you and loves you more than the sparrows, therefore, be not afraid because (therefore) if you will confess Him, He will confess you to the Father.
Your soul is safe in the Father.
Mat 10:28 `And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.
Mat 10:29 `Are not two sparrows sold for an assar? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father;
Mat 10:30 and of you--even the hairs of the head are all numbered;
Mat 10:31 be not therefore afraid, than many sparrows ye are better.
Mat 10:32 `Every one, therefore, who shall confess in me before men, I also will confess in him before my Father who is in the heavens;
I see this as a salvation scripture. It needs to be read in context. Be not afraid of those who can harm your body, because God see you and loves you more than the sparrows, therefore, be not afraid because (therefore) if you will confess Him, He will confess you to the Father.
Your soul is safe in the Father.
Gary
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Proverbs 10....(NKJV)
27 The fear of the Lord prolongs days,
But the years of the wicked will be shortened.
What does it mean to have ones years shortened?
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Brother Mike
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That is what I have been trying to get across to these young bible students. God is never the issue or cutting anyone off short. God is trying to get us to follow him and keep us safe and protected.
There are lots of scriptures about things not ending up well for those that do evil, or wicked things.
Psa 34:21 kjva Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.
It's what I have been saying this whole thread. God is not the one plotting out peoples deathes. God is trying to get us to obey and follow his word to protect us.
Jesus told one..............
Joh 5:14 kjva Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
There is a connection between sin, and sickness and all manner of bad things happening to someone.
So, it's possible to shorten your years by not obeying God. Not God's will, or plan for us.
Option number 2:
Is what the OP asked about.
Luk 13:1-5 kjva 1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
They are asking the same questions that people ask today. How come this happened to these people, they were just standing around and BAM, a tower falls on them and kills them. Were they sinners above other people, they do wrong things?
Jesus said NO, they were just there at the time the tower fell, but unless you repent, the same thing can happen to you.
When Jesus said repent, He also said believe on him. Without God, all things go in the hands of the World and the god of this World. (Satan)
Eph 2:12 kjva That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world
Without God in this World, without Jesus, it's a draw of straws that you make it back alive each day you leave the house. You have no covenant but with the enemy. It does not matter how much you sin or don't sin. Without Jesus, anything can happen.
With Jesus we have an advocate.
Rom 8:31 kjva What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
If believers will learn to listen to the Holy Spirit, He will lead you out of all Temptations (Greek for trails and trouble) Many of us are dead because we ignored what we had peace in our heart about.
God has a plan of perfect protection for us, if we just obey, listen and have faith.
Blessings.
sounds most work based in origin and also prosperity gospel. china where men die for their faith has a better church then we do in America. whom is really blessed? they are.the best church I had was in Afghanistan.why? death was ever present and I wanted to ensure I was right. its sad but its the truth. less distractions over there.
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Brother Mike
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Ummm, Herod needed killing. It's written, touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm. You don't mess with God's folks.
I have never met anyone that believed God for healing and did not get healed. I have seen personally many that prayed and prayed for healing and died though. Some personal and painful.
God is not just allowing anyting, He sent his Word and Healed us. He said the prayer of faith will save the sick, God will rise them up. If men fall short of faith and what the Word does say, that is not God's fault.
There is a time to die, we don't hang out here forever, but we need to complete the plan of God first. There is whole lots to write on this, but We are healed and redemned from the curse of the Law of sin and death.
so you don't die then from something? I know a man who had lung cancer and healed others and died from that. he prayed.
dementia patients cured from final stages to include full restoration of memory.
uhm annias and saphira were believers btw. they lied to the HOLY SPIRIT. they were judged for that.
Gary
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You stated God doesn't have control over life and death. The verses I posted refute that claim.
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Brother Mike
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People used by God to heal others, also need to walk in the same thing the anointing teaches from them. I know, I pastored a church and things just come out from the Holy Spirit you tell others, but come to find you don't find it a reality yourself.
We lost a faith Teacher used mighty by God in Healing of sickness. I know his issue, he did not change something the Lord had delt with him for years on, but there are many reasons.
For you and I though, we can obey and believe what the Word says. We can't be moved what others do throug the Lord to heal, and what others fail on. The Word stays the same and God has never failed anyone, not one time.
We have many soilders follow my church because of the free material and get letters from them all the time of hearing something then applying and and God does something awesome. God's Word always produces what God said it would produce.
One letter a guy had his platoon confess psalm 91 every day. 1,000 at my side, 10,000 on my left... You know.
Every morning and before sleep they went over it and thanked the Lord that what He said was true.
Well, He said it was pretty boring most the time, but one night they were coming back from Patrol in their HumVee's and just went under a bridge, the all passed under when bullets and rockets came firing straight at them once they went through.
He said it was like slow motion, and could even see the rockets and each bullet hit some bubble that was around them and explode or fall to the ground. They stopped and the bad guys ran off.
The next morning they saw many bullet holes in their vehicles, but not a scratch on anyone and the spent rockets pieces on the road that bounced off them.
All I am saying is there is a difference between someone that believers what God said and is not moved by fear as opposed to someone that is not.
May God protect all that name the name of Jesus, and give them saftey.
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Brother Mike
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Gary are you not paying attention to what I am saying here?
Where in the Heck in that verse you gave says "God shortens the days of the wicked?"
If you were really serious about learning anything, we could cover some things, but stop reading things that are not even there. Read what I said as I explain, don't just skim over it, get understanding.
God made Davids baby sick and it died.................. Thats a verse, but wipe the cobwebs away so we can talk about this stuff.
god does allow death for the saint. be it by bullet , disease or age and or martyrdom.
I have prayed for things and god didn't allow to go the way I wanted it. his call not mine. the problem I have with that position that its god is on standby for us, when its the other way.i have never heard of anyone being healed of dementia. I personally know a man who has it. he will die from it sooner or later.
Gary
Member
You don't see that?
Proverbs 10....(NKJV)
27 The fear of the Lord prolongs days,
But the years of the wicked will be shortened.
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Deborah13
Member
Mike, do you remember the scripture about the blind man sitting at the rich man's gate? The people asked Jesus who had sinned, him or his parents. Jesus said, no one had sinned to cause his blindness. He was that way so the Jesus would heal him and glorify God.
Also, remember we have an enemy who will attack us, both in our minds and in our bodies. That does not mean that someone has sinned.
When Peter denied the Lord satan had requested to sift Peter. I believe that satan attacked Peter with an overpowering sense of fear. I believe the Lord allowed this in order for Peter to be prepared for the fear that would come from terrible persecution and even a horrible death. So when Peter did not overcome that first fear he was so remorseful that he wasn't going to let it happen again. Peter had not sinned before satan was allowed to do this to him.
I do not believe that every time someone gets ill or something bad happens to them that it is because they have done something wrong. We live in a fallen world and we have a clever adversary. But as in the case of Peter we can learn and grow stronger even from the bad things that happen. What we need to remember is even in the middle of the storm, the Father is with us.
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Brother Mike
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If you ever seen God heal someone or protect them and I am sure you have, then it's a hard thing to say God "Allows" it's like it's sort of saying God causes. So many scriptures tell us he protects us and heals us.
I still don't have that Lamborghini physically sitting my my drive way, though I have asked many years ago and it will come to pass.
Lots of things we ask need patience. Faith and patience inherit the promises. I don't like the Word patience, but it's in scriptures.
I hope I did not come across as sin being the cause of all things bad, though it's through the curse of the law these things are on the earth caused by sin.
I want you to examine those scriptures with a bit of consideration.
Joh 11:4 kjva When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
God is not getting glory for someone being sick, but for being delivered. It's not saying God planned the sickness to get some twisted glory, but that He would get glory from it.
If God wants to give himself glory, Him and I can go visit a cancer ward somehere and clean it out.
Joh 9:1-3 kjva 1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
So, the context is that the works of God must be manifested. God was not planning sickness in folks then Jesus following behind to play catch up to show how Great God is. that does not even sound good. The Kingdoms are not divided, but God gets the glory for all healing done, Not because a bunch of folks is sick.
Peter:
Now it appears Peter did no wrong.
Luk 22:31-33 kjva 31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. 33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
Jesus sees the enemy wanting to get ahold of Peter, Jesus warns Peter, Then Jesus said I will pray that your faith not fail.
That should have been all Peter said, the Lord said, Satan is trying to get you. What Peter say next? I am ready to go with thee to prison and death.
As soon as Peter said that Jesus then said..........
Luk 22:34 kjva And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
Mat 26:31-33 kjva 31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. 32 But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee. 33 Peter answered and said unto him, Though all men shall be offended because of thee, yet will I never be offended.
Now Deborah. It don't take a rocket scientist to see what Peter did wrong here. Jesus Said, the Lord of Lords, that ALL YE SHALL BE OFFENDED AT ME!
The Lord is telling them something here, and if Jesus said it then it's so. Peter on the other hand said your Wrong Jesus, I, I, I, I, I, I Will never be offended.................. ME, I Peter am all that and a bag of chips, the spiritual gift to the World, Me Peter! Your Wrong about Me Jesus. The Rest of these unfaithful wretches you let hang with us might, but not Me, the Mighty Peter!!
Peter after being much more mature wrote about this.
1Pe 5:1-5 kjva 1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
1Pe 5:6-8 kjva 6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Telling Jesus that He is Wrong and He can handle this is not the way to get grace and help. Peter writes about it here and explains to us What not to do.
Submit yourselves to the elder, submit to God and humble yourself.