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Hi revel,
I agree with much of the above. I believe the rapture of the church is post tribulation and pre-wrath. The 'Tribulation' must be distinguished from the 'wrath of God'. They are not the same thing. The 3.5 year tribulation occurs in the 5th Seal. This tribulation (Satan's wrath against the church and Israel) is cut short by the return of Christ and the out-pouring of God's wrath in the 7th Seal. Jesus told us in Mat.24:29-31 that the signs of His coming would immediately follow the (3.5 year) 'tribulation'. The Tribulation is in the 5th Seal (Rev.6:9). The 'signs' of Christ's coming are in the 6th Seal (Rev.6:12-17). The wrath of God follows in the 7th Seal (Rev.6:16,17;8:1).
The ministry of the two witnessess and the reign of the 'beast' occur within the same time period of 3.5 years, in the 5th Seal. In the book of Revelation it is the Seals which are in sequential order not the chapters. Many of the chapters are parenthetical.
I totally agree that the church does not go through the wrath of God. But we are not exempt from Satan's persecution. The church brings glory to God by being faithful, even unto death.
for now, blessings in Christ,
nol
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:37 am Post subject:
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THE SALVATION OF THE CHURCH
What was revealed to us by Christ’s apostles about the salvation of the church?
The church is savedâ€â€transformed and transportedâ€â€exactly as prophesied by John, Paul, and Peter: when the suns turns black and the moon turns red (Acts 2:20, 21)… when Christ appears in clouds (1 Thess. 4:16, 17 & Rev. 1:7; 6:16)… which is when the sixth seal opens (Rev. 6:12)… the skyâ€â€filled with churchâ€â€shall roll up to Heaven (Rev. 6:14)… and it is then that the church shall be gathered before the throne of Heaven (Rev. 7:9-17)… which is before the seventh seal opens (Rev. 8:1)… and before the first trumpet of wrath ever sounds (Rev. 8:7).
Wrath… that the church is saved from (Rom. 5:9, 1 Thess. 1:10; 5:9)… is announced (Rev. 6:17) after the sky rolls up to Heaven (Rev. 6:14).
For the great day of their WRATH has come, and who can stand? (Rev. 6:17)
This is the same wrath spoken of by Paulâ€â€the wrath we are saved from. The wrath actually begins after we are gathered into Heaven; it begins when the seventh seal opens… when the first trumpet of wrath sounds.
The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. (Rev. 8:7)
This is wrath…
If we are already gathered in Heaven before the first trumpet of wrath sounds, how can we at the same time be on the Earth going through the wrath of the trumpet judgments?
It’s impossible…
The seventh trumpet cannot sound until after the sixth trumpet sounds.
The sixth trumpet cannot sound until after the fifth trumpet sounds.
The fifth trumpet cannot sound until after the fourth trumpet sounds.
The fourth trumpet cannot sound until after the third trumpet sounds.
The third trumpet cannot sound until after the second trumpet sounds.
The second trumpet cannot sound until after the first trumpet sounds.
The first trumpet cannot sound until after the seventh seal opens.
Wrath begins when the seventh seal opens.
The church is in Heaven before the seventh seal opens.
After the sixth seal opens…and before the seventh seal opens, this is what will be heard in Heaven:
“SALVATION BELONGS TO OUR GOD, WHO SITS ON THE THRONE, AND TO THE LAMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!†(REV. 7:10)
That’s us!!
This is what we as Christ’s church will proclaim when we stand before the throne of Heaven!!
This is what Peter meant on Pentecost when he said we will be “saved.â€Â
The prophecy states that when Christ appears in clouds, we will be transformed in a flash (1 Cor. 15:51-54)â€â€not left on Earth going through the trumpet judgments.
The first, major, visible divine threshold for this planet is the sixth seal. Seven years later, the church will descend from Heaven.
nol…With all due respect… My prayer is that you will be set free from this “3.5-year†dogma and embrace what God has planned for us: our seven-year divine union in Heaven: the “bridal week.â€Â
Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear. (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.) (Rev. 19:8)
Our fine linen stands for the righteous acts of saints (for the entirety of the 20 centuries the saints have exhibited righteous acts). Our fine linen doesn’t stand for going through 3.5 years of tribulation.
God bless.
revel
I agree with much of the above. I believe the rapture of the church is post tribulation and pre-wrath. The 'Tribulation' must be distinguished from the 'wrath of God'. They are not the same thing. The 3.5 year tribulation occurs in the 5th Seal. This tribulation (Satan's wrath against the church and Israel) is cut short by the return of Christ and the out-pouring of God's wrath in the 7th Seal. Jesus told us in Mat.24:29-31 that the signs of His coming would immediately follow the (3.5 year) 'tribulation'. The Tribulation is in the 5th Seal (Rev.6:9). The 'signs' of Christ's coming are in the 6th Seal (Rev.6:12-17). The wrath of God follows in the 7th Seal (Rev.6:16,17;8:1).
The ministry of the two witnessess and the reign of the 'beast' occur within the same time period of 3.5 years, in the 5th Seal. In the book of Revelation it is the Seals which are in sequential order not the chapters. Many of the chapters are parenthetical.
I totally agree that the church does not go through the wrath of God. But we are not exempt from Satan's persecution. The church brings glory to God by being faithful, even unto death.
for now, blessings in Christ,
nol