tithing

[jasoncran]

that was outward expression of his faith.

 

[Godfrey]

that was outward expression of his faith.

Yes indeed, and so should our giving be an outward expression of ours. I have read somewhere, "In the OT they had to tithe - in the NT we're to give." But I believe we are, when we can, to give more than a tithe. John Wesley taught, "Give all you can," and lived it, better than I do. But he also said:

Thou art convicted already of "setting thy heart" upon thy riches, if thou layest all thou hast above the conveniences of life, on adding money to money, house to house, or field to field, without giving at least a tenth of thine income (the Jewish proportion) to the poor. By whatsoever means thy riches increase, whether with or without labour; whether by trade, legacies, or any other way; unless thy charities increase in the same proportion; unless thou givest a full tenth of thy substance, of thy fixed and occasional income; thou dost undoubtedly set thy heart upon thy gold, and it will "eat thy flesh as fire!"

 

[Mysteryman]

some churches preach that we are under the curse if dont pay or give. mine does.
the lord rebukes the devourer is the line of thinking.

The simplest answer would be : Did it work for you ?

If not, then somebody has been lying to you to lay their hands on your money 2Pe 2:3 And in covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: ..............

Let them show you tithing in the New Testament. They cannot. God loves a cheerful giver who meets the needs of others all the time. God does not want us to walk around with a calculator working our when to stop giving, when we have reached 10%. God owns all of us.

If you sow God's money into these dead "ministries" you will reap nothing (as many of you know to be true, through experience) but if you give to Christians who need food, money, accommodation and clothing all around you, you are giving to God. THEN you are laying up your treasure where moths and rust and thieves cannot get to it. You are then investing with God and you are investing REAL money with Him and He will look after you when you need it in return. That is HIS promise.

Tithing is of the Law as Jesus pointed out: Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone.

Water cleansing was also a part of the law. As was the passover meal. Yet many teach not to tithe, which I agree with. Yet they teach water cleansing (John's baptism) and the Lord' supper (the eating of the passover meal).

If you do just one part of the law, you must do the whole law ! > Galatians 3:12 and Galatians 5:3

No matter which part of the law you still do, you have fallen from grace. I suggest a full reading of the whole book of Galatians.

 

[Mike]

Flags go up when I read someone saying "I believe..." or "I think..." It's not being a robot to follow scripture. It's the anchor and God's Word revealed. When we put our opinions on doctrine or theology, we run the danger of getting way off course.

That said, I can only give my experience. My family gives, and I have found it a blessing. I have found that it is a way of putting money in perspective. It de-valuates money in my priorities. I find that holding money with an open hand takes the grip that it can have on me away. There are practical ways that giving back to the Lord eases life in the present. The book of Acts is a wonderful example of a community of believers who supported one another and pooled their resources. Would that we could get closer to that community as complicated as personal and socioeconomic structures are. Tithing is OT, but the blessings of it personally are timeless.

 

[Cornelius]

Abraham also sacrificed lambs

If you don't mind me saying so, I think that rather bottles the point. We already have a Lamb slain for us.

I agree that we are not bound by any Mosaic laws on tithing, and also that there is no clear injunction to tithe in the NT. But the fact remains that we do have an example of a man justified by faith tithing.

I sincerely hope you give more than 10% of your income to the Lord. If you calculate , then you are under a law.
Jesus made it clear that He wants EVERYTHING and not just 10%. He owns your life and all you have.

Please do not drop your money into a ministry. Fat-cat preachers gt richer and buy bigger planes. Give to somebody you know that is suffering and make their life better.

 

[Adullam]

The New Testament standard is to give from our hearts. A heart that is circumcised into the presence of God. There is no amount that gets you "off the hook". The standard is all.

 

[Cornelius]

The New Testament standard is to give from our hearts. A heart that is circumcised into the presence of God. There is no amount that gets you "off the hook". The standard is all.

Yep :yes

 

[glorydaz]

some churches preach that we are under the curse if dont pay or give. mine does.
the lord rebukes the devourer is the line of thinking.

The simplest answer would be : Did it work for you ?

If not, then somebody has been lying to you to lay their hands on your money 2Pe 2:3 And in covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: ..............

Let them show you tithing in the New Testament. They cannot. God loves a cheerful giver who meets the needs of others all the time. God does not want us to walk around with a calculator working our when to stop giving, when we have reached 10%. God owns all of us.

If you sow God's money into these dead "ministries" you will reap nothing (as many of you know to be true, through experience) but if you give to Christians who need food, money, accommodation and clothing all around you, you are giving to God. THEN you are laying up your treasure where moths and rust and thieves cannot get to it. You are then investing with God and you are investing REAL money with Him and He will look after you when you need it in return. That is HIS promise.

Tithing is of the Law as Jesus pointed out: Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone.

:amen

 

[glorydaz]

Water cleansing was also a part of the law. As was the passover meal. Yet many teach not to tithe, which I agree with. Yet they teach water cleansing (John's baptism) and the Lord' supper (the eating of the passover meal).

If you do just one part of the law, you must do the whole law ! > Galatians 3:12 and Galatians 5:3

No matter which part of the law you still do, you have fallen from grace. I suggest a full reading of the whole book of Galatians.

The law was a shadow of what was to come. The water cleansing was a shadow of the baptism of repentance. The Passover meal was a shadow of the Lord's supper. We do not live under shadows, but now partake of the real deal.

 

[Godfrey]

I sincerely hope you give more than 10% of your income to the Lord.

Ah, you're in favour of me giving more than 10% even if I say I believe in tithing, and I'm in favour of you giving more than 10% even though you say you don't. That's all right, then.

 

[glorydaz]

I sincerely hope you give more than 10% of your income to the Lord.

Ah, you're in favour of me giving more than 10% even if I say I believe in tithing, and I'm in favour of you giving more than 10% even though you say you don't. That's all right, then.

I know...let's all get together and share all we have. :biglaugh

Hopefully, we all give as the Lord leads and don't store up treasures here on earth.

 

[Cornelius]

I sincerely hope you give more than 10% of your income to the Lord.

Ah, you're in favour of me giving more than 10% even if I say I believe in tithing, and I'm in favour of you giving more than 10% even though you say you don't. That's all right, then.

Yes we must give. but we must give with a cheerful heart , without reservation. Help if we are able and sometimes do without , so that others may have. God wants to free us from the law, so that when we give, we give because we love. We give because His character is manifesting through us. A law of giving is just that : a law.

Even an evil man can keep a law. But only a righteous man can give cheerfully from the heart.

Be like Jesus
C

 

[Cornelius]

Imagine giving ALL you have


Luk 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
Luk 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
Luk 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
Luk 21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

 

[jasoncran]

Imagine giving ALL you have


Luk 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
Luk 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
Luk 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
Luk 21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

even with children to take care of, if i miss some house payments, i would need assistance.

 

[Cornelius]

Imagine giving ALL you have


Luk 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
Luk 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
Luk 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
Luk 21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

even with children to take care of, if i miss some house payments, i would need assistance.

I think it really speaking more of the attitude that we must have. Sometimes we must place our own dreams on hold, so that others may eat

 

[jasoncran]

in other words put God first.

 

[Cornelius]

Amen brother