[_ Old Earth _] To all those who don't take the bible literally

[reznwerks]

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Because the Holy Spirit is not human feelings. It is the Spirit of God which dwells inside all those who ask for it.
You still cannot feel it except for human feelings which as you say is suspect.

All you have to do is read Christ's words in the gospel of John chapters 14-17. But I don't expect you to understand it because as Paul says; "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from God for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned."
Again without the human aspect of it cannot be experienced and as you say the human aspect is suspect.

That describes you perfectly so it is a truthful statement. Jesus also says in John about the Holy Spirit: "The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor know him. But you know him for he lives in you and will be with you."
How would you know if it weren't for the human experience and again you say that it is suspect.


That also describes the world perfectly so it is also a true statement. In addition, I had wanted to believe the bible for years but could not. But a minute after I received the Holy Spirit, I suddenly was capable of understanding the bible.
How do you know you understand it? Are you able to say that you are correct and all others are not? How do you answer those who make the same claim as you but disagree. How could two or more people claim to know the Holy Spirit and have different understandings? Can you say it is not true with thousands of different denominations that exist?

So that did not come from anything I had previously possessed because before then I could not understand the bible by my "own feelings" or intelligence.
I refere you back to my previous questions.

Once again, you speak just like anyone without the Holy Spirit; which is a complete inability to understand or believe the bible, or understand anything ourside your own limited experiences. Your thinking thus comes from a narrow perspective of the world which all believers had before we received the Holy Spirit. Thus we undertand your thinking but you cannot understand ours. We've been there done that.
I refere you back to my original questions.

Your statements are extremely predictable, my friend. There's nothing new in your words that I did not at one time, also believe. Unbelievers are therefore much like teen-agers who don't believe that their parents haven't been through what they're going through so they think their parents don't understand them.
That is an old and tired cliche. Your words are just as predictable as any other believer.The same arguements have been used by believer forever. You "don't understand" you don't have the "holy spirit" in you etc etc. Somehow the only arguement that is used by unbelievers is one that cannot be validated and that somehow the unbeliever lacks something but nowhere can it be demonstrated that it exists.

But it isn't until they become parents themselves that they understand that their parents knew all along what it was like to be a teen-ager.
Sorry but the reality is that every generation is different and every person is different. You are painting life with a broad brush.

And so do we believers know what it's like to be an unbeliever. You won't understand that until you receive the Holy Spirit also. :wink:
Another claim made by a human to another human.The only way to experience the Holy Spirit is through human feelings which you don't trust. The dead can't experience the Holy Spirit can they? If you say yes please provide evidence. Verifiable evidence please.

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[reznwerks]

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Jesus himself said that the scripture was written by Moses. You either believe your Lord or you don't.

Did Moses write Deuteronomy and if so how did he record his own death?

 

[Thoth-Amon]

:roll: Read your Bible all of it, especially 2nd Timothy.

question what reason would God have to send us a metaphorical , allegorical nominal collcetion of papers and stories, and what isn't literal about Jesus walked, Peter sat, Joseph traveled

It's quite true that the biblical writers interpreted the creation, fall, flood and babel stories quite literally. Of course when one realizes that these stories fly in the face of scientific and historical fact, it makes you ask how seriously can you take the writers of the bible if they believed in this nonsense?

 

[Heidi]

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Because the Holy Spirit is not human feelings. It is the Spirit of God which dwells inside all those who ask for it.
You still cannot feel it except for human feelings which as you say is suspect.

All you have to do is read Christ's words in the gospel of John chapters 14-17. But I don't expect you to understand it because as Paul says; "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from God for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned."
Again without the human aspect of it cannot be experienced and as you say the human aspect is suspect.

That describes you perfectly so it is a truthful statement. Jesus also says in John about the Holy Spirit: "The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor know him. But you know him for he lives in you and will be with you."
How would you know if it weren't for the human experience and again you say that it is suspect.


That also describes the world perfectly so it is also a true statement. In addition, I had wanted to believe the bible for years but could not. But a minute after I received the Holy Spirit, I suddenly was capable of understanding the bible.
How do you know you understand it? Are you able to say that you are correct and all others are not? How do you answer those who make the same claim as you but disagree. How could two or more people claim to know the Holy Spirit and have different understandings? Can you say it is not true with thousands of different denominations that exist?

So that did not come from anything I had previously possessed because before then I could not understand the bible by my "own feelings" or intelligence.
I refere you back to my previous questions.

Once again, you speak just like anyone without the Holy Spirit; which is a complete inability to understand or believe the bible, or understand anything ourside your own limited experiences. Your thinking thus comes from a narrow perspective of the world which all believers had before we received the Holy Spirit. Thus we undertand your thinking but you cannot understand ours. We've been there done that.
I refere you back to my original questions.

Your statements are extremely predictable, my friend. There's nothing new in your words that I did not at one time, also believe. Unbelievers are therefore much like teen-agers who don't believe that their parents haven't been through what they're going through so they think their parents don't understand them.
That is an old and tired cliche. Your words are just as predictable as any other believer.The same arguements have been used by believer forever. You "don't understand" you don't have the "holy spirit" in you etc etc. Somehow the only arguement that is used by unbelievers is one that cannot be validated and that somehow the unbeliever lacks something but nowhere can it be demonstrated that it exists.

But it isn't until they become parents themselves that they understand that their parents knew all along what it was like to be a teen-ager.
Sorry but the reality is that every generation is different and every person is different. You are painting life with a broad brush.

And so do we believers know what it's like to be an unbeliever. You won't understand that until you receive the Holy Spirit also. :wink:
Another claim made by a human to another human.The only way to experience the Holy Spirit is through human feelings which you don't trust. The dead can't experience the Holy Spirit can they? If you say yes please provide evidence. Verifiable evidence please.

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And until you've received the Holy Spirit, how in the world can you claim to be an authority on him? :o That's like someone who has never experienced what it's like to be in war describing what it feels like to be in war!

"The spiritual man makes judgments about all things but he himself is subject to judgment by no man for who knows the mind of the Lord to instruct him?" You certainly don't. Until you understand that, you will only look ridiculous. Listening to you is like trying to learn French from a French teacher who doesn't speak French! I'm embarrassed for you. Some people simply like to see their writing in print regardless of what it says.

 

[Vic C.]

Today's science lesson should be on "Proper quoting techniques"

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[Thoth-Amon]

Rather Heidi,

It is your statements that are rather predictable, as they flow from a script that we all have seen:a near sighted fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible.

Been there done that? What of those who were believers like me, and then stopped? Have I not "been there done that" now?

Like teeenagers who can not accept the wisdom of their parents?

I wonder if you have examined yourself Heidi, and what you might compare too.

Like a child incapable of making any decision without looking to her parents, the fundamentalist has willingly shut down his mind and surrendered it to his faith. He can look only to the Bible for answers, for it is the solution that his pysche most desires: an over simplification of the world. The fundamentalist can not deal with uncertainity, amibuity, metaphor or paradox. Such complexities, that are the reality of existence, are too intricate for them to bear so they seek a vision of the world that reduces everything into two camps, black and white, good and evil, sinner and saved.

This psychological technique is called splitting, used by a person to avoid self-introspection. Everything they hate becomes projected unto the world so that they can hate what lies within without acknowleding it is within, while at the same time, identify themselves soley with what is good (God).

The fundamentalist is immature insofar as he has not moved on into a stage of life where he understands that there is not someone telling him everything he has to do, governing his every choice, not someone holding his hand across the street.

For more on the psychology of a fundamentalist, you can refer to my lengthy post in General Topics.

This is an excellent post.