Bible Study To repent of all sworn vows

[D-D-W]

Since His coming, all swearing of vows is of evil.

Do you include covenantal vows to be in that; such as coming into the New Covenant (salvation) and marriage vows?

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

Do you include covenantal vows to be in that; such as coming into the New Covenant (salvation) and marriage vows?

Given that which the Lord has said, I must. Anything else, is to degrade or throw words in abeyance of that which He has said.

It is well worth mentioning that many denominations of the church, like the Jewish history, have no vows of marriage. They have marriage contracts, marriage agreements; but they swear no vows at all in their marriages. There is also no precedent whatsoever for swearing vows of conversion to Christ the Lord and His New Covenant. There is conversion, by God. It is an act of God. It has nothing to do with a vow sworn by a man or a woman. Similarly, according to Christ the Lord, a marriage is a joining by God, not by man and woman, not by church-authority or anyone other than God Himself. Swearing a vow, since the coming of Christ, is an act of man or woman, an act which Christ the Lord has told us is of evil. He has given no exceptions.

I will also opine, that in today's culture, the word "vow" is often not understood at all, it is often mistaught to be a synonym for "promise". But that which Christ the Lord has said remains. There are vow-marriages, of misery and internal hatred, where vow-breaking is considered worse, in churches where repentance of the particular evil of swearing of vows is never considered. There are also vow-covenanters, who behave in identical fashion regarding other things God has said, done, and asked of us.

But there are marriages, such as my Sweet Lori's with myself (28 years and counting), where we did not bind ourselves in evil by the swearing of vows, even though then we knew no other word; we certainly did agree in the presence of family and good friends with that which God has done with us, and we shall. And there are those who swear no vows, who do not try to bind themselves to apparent good using behavior Christ the Lord has said is evil, but rather, have rather different life in the Comforter of God.

 

[D-D-W]

I will also opine, that in today's culture, the word "vow" is often not understood at all, it is often mistaught to be a synonym for "promise".

I agree.

But that which Christ the Lord has said remains. There are vow-marriages, of misery and internal hatred, where vow-breaking is considered worse,

The bible has nothing good to say, EVER, about breaking covenant. Remember Joshua and the Gibeonites, who swore out a covenant in direct violation of God's command.

in churches where repentance of the particular evil of swearing of vows is never considered. There are also vow-covenanters, who behave in identical fashion regarding other things God has said, done, and asked of us.

I would submit that making promises in a wedding ceremony IS making a vow before God, and without that, there can be no marriage.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

But, the Lord has said, that all sworn vows, all attempts to make more than a "yes" or a "no", are of evil...

 

[D-D-W]

But, the Lord has said, that all sworn vows, all attempts to make more than a "yes" or a "no", are of evil...

If that is so, then christians cannot marry.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

I would submit that making promises in a wedding ceremony IS making a vow before God, and without that, there can be no marriage.

Were you aware, that the vast majority of the Orthodox church-groups' marriages, do not involve making promises in a wedding ceremony? Or sworn vows?

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

The Lord has said, that all sworn vows, all attempts to make more than a "yes" or a "no", are of evil. He has given no limitations to this statement. The definition of that word "Christian", appears to have been troubled from the beginning.

 

[Tenchi]

Matthew 5:33-37 (NASB)
33 "Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'
34 "But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is THE CITY OF THE GREAT KING.
36 "Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
37 "But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is of evil.

So, Jesus, in the passage above, begins by talking about "false vows (to the Lord)" the "ancients" spoke of and that vows to God were always to be fulfilled (Leviticus 19:12; Deuteronomy 23:23). As he did in much of his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus contrasted this common Jewish practice with a "new" way that he was preaching, forbidding casual vow-making of various kinds: vowing by heaven, earth, Jerusalem or one's own head. Instead, Jesus commanded his audience to be certain and simple in their commitment to, or denial of, things (Yes, yes or, no, no), without casually adding a vow in emphasis of these statements, as was customary at the time.

This is because so much, currently and much more historically, within churches and outside, is defined by sworn vows, which are all of evil.

Well, this is actually going beyond what Jesus said and against the record of the rest of the New Testament. Jesus never forbade every possible sort of vow but just a specific kind with which Jews of Christ's time had taken to peppering their speech. These vows were much like modern ones:

"I swear on my mother's grave..."
"I swear, on my honor..."
"I swear, by God, it's true..."
"By my beard, I swear it's true..."

And so, we read:

Acts 18:18
18 After this, Paul stayed many days longer and then took leave of the brothers and set sail for Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila. At Cenchreae he had cut his hair, for he was under a vow.

There was also the Nazarite vow described in Numbers 6:1-21.

Anyway, I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding "so much within churches....defined by sworn vows."

We have it written that at least one person called Apostle did not repent in this, at least for a while.

??? Do you mean the apostle Paul? Did he repent of a vow?

To publicly say and promote those words of Christ the Lord would have gotten us executed possibly anywhere where church-folk and feudal-folk ruled, four hundred years ago.

Many things could have resulted in your execution four hundred years ago. They weren't all because of some biblical mandate, however.

One can even trace divisions within the Church of the Lord, to the content of many sworn vows, and in addition, to secret vows, personal allegiances and determinations which likewise are of evil.

Oookay...

How do you know this, exactly?

But the benefits of living those words the Lord has said, are more tremendous then all struggles. Anyone have examples to share?

Everyday, as I live in the truths of God's word, I have fresh examples of their reality and power. For example, there isn't a day that goes by where I don't have to submit myself to God, as His word repeatedly commands. When I do, it always astonishes me how God acts to fulfill His promises to me, dissolving sinful temptations so profoundly and powerfully that I don't even recognize that I've moved with God along His way, the moment of temptation far behind. No horrible struggle with myself; no forcing myself to follow God's will and way; no exhausting, hanging-on-by-my-fingernails battle with sin. Daily, I see how, as I yield to God, He alters my character, and desires, and priorities, filling my life with opportunity to serve Him. It's quite an adventure!

 

[Corn Pop]

There is 3 witnesses to all things seen and unseen. Father, Son, and Spirit. Vow or no vow only God knows the truth.

Someone can swear to me they are telling the truth but only God knows if they are truely telling the truth. Someone can swear an oath but only God know knows if they will hold it and its probably best if someone swears a vow they hold it because you dont want to be a liar under oath especially if its in Gods name.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

The key of swearing of vows is indeed "...if they will hold it...". A sworn vow is an act of man or woman, with a demand and presumption of acceptance and participation from God, and then the question becomes "Will they" -- the man or woman -- "hold it"!. Will the man or the woman, hold acceptance and participation from God? This is of evil. God holds us, and He is the only one who is good, the only one who is righteous. We do not hold goodness and righteousness. We do not hold Him.

But this is mere explanation. We have it from Christ the Lord Himself, that all swearing of vows is of evil. Therefore it is.

 

[Corn Pop]

Aside from the Father, Son and Spirit as the 3 truthful witness to all things, I have no idea how trustworthy any mortal man's witness is.

If 3 witness swear an oath they might not even believe in God so how good is there oath or witness as the world is full of liars, or, if the people do believe in God and swear and oath sometimes what we know or see can be deceptive.