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To what degree should church leaders engage in political discussion?

EvolvingChristian said:
I'm not saying that Christians shouldn't engage in politics. I'm saying that church leaders should refrain from doing so. After all, where did Jesus engage in politics or instruct his disciples to do so? Should church leaders emulate Christ or should they emulate a political "talking head"?
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Well, if Christians can engage in politics, why is it wrong for Christian leaders to engage in politics?

At the beginning of His ministry Christ was very engaged in politics. He came to establish the Kingdom which would rule over all other nations. And Christ was the King of that Kingdom. The forerunner, went ahead pronouncing the coming of the King. Christ the King was ready to place Israel as the leading political nation in the world, over all other nations. The message of this Kingdom was spread by the disciples. Very political move.

Though Israel rejected her King, this will still be established one day. Christ will be ruling and reigning in Jerusalem with Israel as the leading nation over the world for 1000 years. The Millennium is not Heaven. It is the literal political reign of Christ on the earth.

In any country where the Christian can effect politics, he should. I say 'where he can', because in many places he can't. The U.S. is unique. We are a nation, the only nation in the world, built on a creed. And that creed is highly affected by Christianity. And in it's origin was Christian. See the Mayflower Compact.

So, the Creed, what we believe, becomes all important as to how the nation is governed. And if you let that Creed be changed, be twisted, then it will no more represent the Christianity it grew out of. So, we Christians in America have the responsibility, not to ignore politics, but to actively be involved and support Christianity and Christ in the middle of politics. God gave us this nation as a place of refuge for Christians and Jews. He doesn't do so without expecting us to maintain it. If we don't want to maintain it, then fine. He will let it crumble.

Our country is not based upon the Muslim faith or the Buddhist faith, or the Deist faith. It is based upon Christianity. The Christian faith. Jesus Christ. But of course 'christians' by their misunderstanding, or cowardice, are willing to let the satanic faiths have it.

I'm sure you have heard the phrase on the job, don't be talking about religion and politics. You know why? Because those are the two most important things we should be talking about. And satan knows it.

Quantrill
 
humble soul said:
American Christians seem very political to me. Don't most vote conservative? Due to abortion, pro life issues? That issue seems definitive.
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Over 65% of the US population identifies themselves as Christian. If it was true that most Christians in the US voted conservative, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would never have won the last election.
 
EvolvingChristian said:
I'm not saying that Christians shouldn't engage in politics. I'm saying that church leaders should refrain from doing so. After all, where did Jesus engage in politics or instruct his disciples to do so? Should church leaders emulate Christ or should they emulate a political "talking head"?
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I agree with you in terms of what they teach from the pulpits. Christian leaders should focus on the teaching of God and not political viewpoints. But there are times when those things cross. Abortion is one big example.
 
EvolvingChristian said:
I'm not saying that Christians shouldn't engage in politics. I'm saying that church leaders should refrain from doing so. After all, where did Jesus engage in politics or instruct his disciples to do so? Should church leaders emulate Christ or should they emulate a political "talking head"?
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Maybe you should clarify what you mean by "engage in politics." That may be helpful because there are times when Christian teaching and politics cross over each other. I personally don't think the pulpit is the right place for preaching political viewpoints or using their place of influence to sway the congregants who they should vote for.

Preaching about the sinfulness of abortion, sexual promiscuity, homosexual behavior, stealing, lying, false witnessing, greed, salvation, faith, love, and so forth is what should be taught not politics.
 
WIP said:
I agree with you in terms of what they teach from the pulpits. Christian leaders should focus on the teaching of God and not political viewpoints. But there are times when those things cross. Abortion is one big example.
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I don't view the practice of telling people NOT to kill their offspring as being political. Abortion violates God's commandments to "multiply" as well as to not kill, therefore, they are sins and grave sins at that.
 
WIP said:
Preaching about the sinfulness of abortion, sexual promiscuity, homosexual behavior, stealing, lying, false witnessing, greed, salvation, faith, love, and so forth is what should be taught not politics.
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Some of those are staple political issues. Used as a banner for conservative politics which can't help but be intertwined.
 
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WIP said:
Maybe you should clarify what you mean by "engage in politics."
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It's my view that church leaders should follow the example of Jesus and stick to spreading his word and avoid discussing politics. Church leaders can discuss scripture in order that the congregation can extrapolate the meaning to modern-day society.

Congregants can and SHOULD engage in the affairs of their communities, states, and nation. Communities NEED good Christians in government.

Again, just my humble opinion. Of course, if I missed scripture where Jesus engaged in political activism or instructed his disciples to do so, I will have to change my view.
 
Quantrill said:
I'm sure you have heard the phrase on the job, don't be talking about religion and politics.
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Yes. Again, I'm not talking about all Christians, only Christian church leaders. If they focus on converting lost souls and in following Jesus, the rest will take care of itself. The world has an endless supply of politicians and political talking heads. What mankind needs are more learned and spiritually gifted people who can focus on spreading the word of God to a world in desperate need.

Again, just my view. God bless you.
 
I believe it's healthy for us to share our personal views. I do not believe that it serves any useful purpose for us to quarrel over semantics or minor points of difference. I posited a view for your consideration. Thank you for reading and providing feedback. I will now bow out of this thread so that I can devote more time to converting hearts and minds to Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:14
Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
 
EvolvingChristian said:
I frequently see church leaders and the Pope engage in political discussion. I believe it is a mistake.
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I don’t follow the Pope nor too many church leaders but I agree that I think it’s a mistake for the pulpit to be overtaken by politics.


EvolvingChristian said:
Jesus and his fellow Jews lived under three totalitarian authorities: the Romans, King Herod, and their own Pharisees. To my knowledge, Jesus never engaged in political discussion. The only time Jesus came close was when he told people to pay their taxes.
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This is an interesting study in and of itself. Yes, Rome was the Empire and they were brutal. Herod was also brutal and not a rightful King over the Jews as he was half Edomite and not from King David’s line. He had no biblical authority as King.
The Pharisees only had public opinion and believed the first two items of mention were the result of Deuteronomy 28. This was worse than exile.
In reality the Sanhedrin had the biblical clout which is why Herod had most of them killed and replaced with political henchmen.

Jesus engaged himself in many religious discussions, but he rarely actively sought religious discord and controversies. Actually, my studies concluded that Jesus spent the majority of his time teaching those who were willing to listen. He didn’t spend his time railing against heresy. Instead, he spent his time teaching those who were teachable.

As a side note, paying taxes was an answer to a question. Jesus never built a sermon that I’m aware of on paying taxes.


EvolvingChristian said:
f Jesus avoided politics, why do many church leaders not do the same? Why do they not follow Jesus' example?
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All good questions. You should send emails to them, or call them and ask them if your unable to ask them face to face.
 
EvolvingChristian said:
Yes. Again, I'm not talking about all Christians, only Christian church leaders. If they focus on converting lost souls and in following Jesus, the rest will take care of itself. The world has an endless supply of politicians and political talking heads. What mankind needs are more learned and spiritually gifted people who can focus on spreading the word of God to a world in desperate need.

Again, just my view. God bless you.
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Yes, I know. I am talking about Christian leaders also. Not all 'Christian leaders' are paid. But even the ones who are paid, should not be afraid to address the politics of the nation. How many times did a prophet of Israel go to the very King himself and denounced or gave approval?

Quantrill
 
Quantrill said:
Do not quote part of what I said and say 'amen' when you disagree with the complete sentence. That is being deceptive and dishonest. What you are 'amening' to, I didn't say.

Quantrill
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I am so sorry to have offended you my brother. I promise to never partially quote you again. Can you forgive me?
 
Quantrill said:
A partial quote is fine if it presents the meaning of what I said. You didn't do that. You gave a partial quote to take away the meaning of what I said.

Quantrill
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You are certainly quick to condemn and slow to forgive. You have directed your wrath at me for one reason or another since I began this thread. I'm not here to quibble and to get into senseless arguments. Therefore, you can rest assured that I will NOT engage you further, let alone even quote you. God bless you and good luck on your life journey!
 
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