He does it to everyone. Don't take him too seriously. That's his schtick.
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To what degree should church leaders engage in political discussion?
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stovebolts
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Yet we are commanded to forgive. I admire your spirit.
Im sure you’ve been on a few forums and you’ll always run into that one guy that just seems to pick, pick, pick. As an observation, you’ve handled yourself well and serve as a role model of one living out their faith peacefully.
Jesus called 12 to his side, one a betrayer. But what of the rest? We read Johns writings and Peters but what of the other Apostles, most notably Simon the zealot?
If you’ve ever looked at the region of Galilee, it was a place the Essenes flourished during the early years of Jesus life prior to moving to Qumran. They were very zealous for God and were in opposition to Jerusalem using the Babylonian calendar among other things.
If Simon was a zealot from within the Essenes, he would have held much animosity toward Rome occupying Israel and also would have had a distaste for how the Temple was ran, especially under Harold.
This would have been an extremely political hot topic in all of Israel. Think about it. A half breed king who desecrates the Temple that celebrates its high holidays, including Passover on the Babalonian calendar, and not the Lunar calendar. Ohh, and the King in bed with Rome and the Sanhedrin exploiting the worshippers within the temple court.
I get the idea when Jesus entered the temple and drove out the money changers, Simon the zealot was well pleased. Make no mistake, that was a huge political statement and went against the Sanhedrin, Harod and Rome.
My take away has always been this. When the church exploits its members, especially when the church gets so entangled within the political structure of our nation, we ought to be just as zealous and drive out the money changers.
our church buildings are to be places of worship, not economic machines to feed the political party of our choosing.
EvolvingChristian
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Thank you for the kind words stovebolts !
stovebolts
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Your welcome.
I think leaders of the church have to walk a very fine line when it comes to politics in the pulpit, or their own social media platforms. Politics is part of every culture because it drives the tone of the nation it’s serving.
When we think about why God gave the Law to Israel, we have to include politics because how Israel interacted with other nations was important.
Meditate on this.
Deuteronomy 4:6
New International Version
6 Observethem carefully, for this will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations, who will hear about all these decrees and say, “Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.Now ask the question. If the USA is founded on Christian principals, and our politicians are making laws based on those principals, then how do the nations around us view us? Does the world view us as wise and understanding?
EvolvingChristian
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Well, we know to whom the world belongs. In any event, I support Christians engaging in politics and serving their communities and their country. I believe that church leaders, however, should stick to doing what Jesus did and spread the word.
stovebolts
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The way I understand it, Jesus is King. That makes the World his.
But like any kingdom, not everyone is a loyal subject. I thank God you are a child of God and are a devoted servant.
But yes, I agree with you. Politics, especially the promotion of political rhetoric has no place in the pulpit.
But like any kingdom, not everyone is a loyal subject. I thank God you are a child of God and are a devoted servant.
But yes, I agree with you. Politics, especially the promotion of political rhetoric has no place in the pulpit.
How does that verse show that Jesus was involved or even interested in politics? Please explain.
stovebolts
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EvolvingChristian
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As I said elsewhere, I'm 54 years of age. I was raised Catholic. I was an altar boy. I never really questioned any of it until recently. I discovered that Pope John Paul II kissed the Koran. That told me that the Catholic Church was NOT following Jesus. The Koran says that Jesus is NOT the Messiah. There is ZERO chance that Jesus would have kissed the Satanic book. Jesus would have, I believe, thrown that book into the dirt where it belongs and told everyone within earshot that it is a false religion and one that leads to eternal destruction. And the Pope kissed it?! No way!
Pope Francis apparently isn't interested in following Jesus' example and wants to instruct the world on which economic systems it should pursue. Perhaps the Pope should contact Fox News or CNN and see if he can get a slot instructing the world on all of his political beliefs, not that I would watch, of course.
And then there's the thing about calling priests "Father", which I recently discovered is explicitly forbidden, yet the church ignored that verse and went with it anyway.
Now I'm a non-denominational Christian and glad for it!
EvolvingChristian
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There's a saying. Get two theologians together and the only thing on which they will completely agree is that the third theologian is wrong. LOL.
I'm being facetious, of course. I dislike it when Christians beat up one another over doctrine and interpretations. I'm not saying that it's never warranted, but most of the arguments that I see between Christians are petty and based on pride.
If one wishes to persuade then one should also be willing to be persuaded. Many just want to win an argument. I'm not interested in winning arguments. I'm interested in sharing my perspective and learning theirs.
I do like this forum. Thank you for having me!
stovebolts
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I like your spirit.
I learned many years ago that I didn’t need to be right. I see you’ve learned that lesson as well.
Glad to have you as a member.
oh but they worship like this,,they have the 5 points..they believe in free will.thet worship only on Saturday,they worship on Sunday not Saturday.
we major in minors and minor in majors
I'm not condemning. Just offering some words of advice. Don't know what you mean about 'wrath'. You seem easily excited.
Quantrill
Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. I've read those chapters many times and I don't see it. It would be better for you to explain how those chapters show that Jesus was involved in politics rather than expecting your readers to extract it out of 8 chapters. I could just as easily reply and say, Jesus was not involved with politics. See Genesis 1 - Revelation 21.
This is a Christian "forum" where we share interpretations, views, and understandings of Holy Scripture.
EvolvingChristian
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It seems that the Pope is also a climatologist.