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Trinitarians - answer this

Oh NO, Solo has just 'put me in my place'. A worshiper of Satan and NO light in my heart whatsoever. he he he.

Solo, I will offer warning once again: Beware of 'what' you choose to 'think' you are able to judge. For HOW you judge WILL be how YOU are judged.

You may choose to 'twist' the words of scripture in ANY way you choose. That IS your purogative. I, however, simply choose to undertand them as they have been revealed.

The Word IS the Word of God. PERIOD. Christ offered US that Word and stated plainly that it was NOT His own, but given Him BY the Father to 'give to us'. Do you dispute this offering? For if so, please explain to us 'simpletons', exactly HOW Christ could both BE the Word and then state without a doubt that the Word is NOT His.

Once again, 'trinitarianism' clouding the understanding of those that MUST alter scripture in order to 'justify' their belief. This doctrine forces those that follow it to 'avoid' much scripture in order to focus on that which they have been 'taught by man'. Christ WAS created by the Father. 'Trins' will try and tell those that they attempt to subvert, that the Father, in the case of Christ and His Father, really doesn't mean; Father. That Father in 'this case' means 'something else'. I KNOW what a Father IS and no amount of 'wishful thinking' will change what the word means. For there to BE a Son, there MUST be a Father. and the Father ALWAYS comes BEFORE THE SON. For the Son is a PART of the Father. For this to be 'true', then the Son MUST be created FROM the Father.
 
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[Once again, 'trinitarianism' clouding the understanding of those that MUST alter scripture in order to 'justify' their belief. This doctrine forces those that follow it to 'avoid' much scripture in order to focus on that which they have been 'taught by man'. Christ WAS created by the Father. 'Trins' will try and tell those that they attempt to subvert, that the Father, in the case of Christ and His Father, really doesn't mean; Father. That Father in 'this case' means 'something else'. I KNOW what a Father IS and no amount of 'wishful thinking' will change what the word means. For there to BE a Son, there MUST be a Father. and the Father ALWAYS comes BEFORE THE SON. For the Son is a PART of the Father. For this to be 'true', then the Son MUST be created FROM the Father.]
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Forum, I don't know about you'ins! But if this 'scripture/less' bird is of God, it sure does not show in his 'postings'! As was stated before, the Psalm 2:7 INSPIRATION PROPHESIED before it came to pass as SEEN in Hebrews 1:6 (K.J.) that it was 'THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE'.

Now ask yourself [forum]! Who is the one here telling lies??? Even compare Acts 13:29-33

And the talk of twisting the Word of God??? You go read 2 Corinthians 4:2 & come back & tell me where you start the new thread? :wink:

Just one more thought! :fadein: It is not hard to spot who is of the devil when they say.. "Christ WAS created by the Father".

---John
 
John,

Everyone comes here fo express their convictions. It is obviouse many of us are lying or not knowing the truth. But it is up to God to judge who is telling truth, knowing the truth.

The forums are intense battle field for Jesus and satan. We are either used by Jesus or satan. God is the judge, no one else.
 
gingercat said:
John,

Everyone comes here fo express their convictions. It is obviouse many of us are lying or not knowing the truth. But it is up to God to judge who is telling truth, knowing the truth.

The forums are intense battle field for Jesus and satan. We are either used by Jesus or satan. God is the judge, no one else.
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Please go back 'poster' & read my 'emphasis' (over & over again) on the 'posts' that appear!

It seems that [most] folks do not like my continuing EMPHASIS in highlights even! but surely they can now see why it is done!

Perhaps another 'poster' would like to give me the verse from the Word of God that says as one 'post' did, that .. "Christ WAS created by the Father".



---John
 
John the Baptist said:
gingercat said:
John,

Everyone comes here fo express their convictions. It is obviouse many of us are lying or not knowing the truth. But it is up to God to judge who is telling truth, knowing the truth.

The forums are intense battle field for Jesus and satan. We are either used by Jesus or satan. God is the judge, no one else.
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Please go back 'poster' & read my 'emphasis' (over & over again) on the 'posts' that appear!

It seems that [most] folks do not like my continuing EMPHASIS in highlights even! but surely they can now see why it is done!

Perhaps another 'poster' would like to give me the verse from the Word of God that says as one 'post' did, that .. "Christ WAS created by the Father".



---John
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John please accept my statement in love.

What your highlights do is distract from the message itself.

You don't need to make your text bold, or underlined or red or in brackets to get the point across. In fact it makes them seem disjointed and hard to follow. Highlights do not MAKE people WANT to read the emphasis you are trying to place on parts of your posts. In fact if they are like me, they probably prefer not to read things like that and would therefore either not read it at all or only read the straight-forward parts.

Over the time I've been on this board I have noticed a number of people make comments about how hard they find it to understand your posts. I don't believe people want to discount the validity of the message itself straight out, but when it is so laborious just to read the words, the message is lost.

Regards - Ed
 
Imagican said:
Oh NO, Solo has just 'put me in my place'. A worshiper of Satan and NO light in my heart whatsoever. he he he.

Solo, I will offer warning once again: Beware of 'what' you choose to 'think' you are able to judge. For HOW you judge WILL be how YOU are judged.

You may choose to 'twist' the words of scripture in ANY way you choose. That IS your purogative. I, however, simply choose to undertand them as they have been revealed.

The Word IS the Word of God. PERIOD. Christ offered US that Word and stated plainly that it was NOT His own, but given Him BY the Father to 'give to us'. Do you dispute this offering? For if so, please explain to us 'simpletons', exactly HOW Christ could both BE the Word and then state without a doubt that the Word is NOT His.

Once again, 'trinitarianism' clouding the understanding of those that MUST alter scripture in order to 'justify' their belief. This doctrine forces those that follow it to 'avoid' much scripture in order to focus on that which they have been 'taught by man'. Christ WAS created by the Father. 'Trins' will try and tell those that they attempt to subvert, that the Father, in the case of Christ and His Father, really doesn't mean; Father. That Father in 'this case' means 'something else'. I KNOW what a Father IS and no amount of 'wishful thinking' will change what the word means. For there to BE a Son, there MUST be a Father. and the Father ALWAYS comes BEFORE THE SON. For the Son is a PART of the Father. For this to be 'true', then the Son MUST be created FROM the Father.
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The Word is God according to the Word of God. Your refusal to accept the Word of God is prevalent in your posts and shows your lack of submission to God the Spirit. The Word is not created, for the Word created all things. Nothing was created apart from the Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God, Jehovah God, God Almighty. Why do you accept some of the scripture but deny the whole counsil of God? Correct it or you will be in anguish.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:1-3


6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6



The Aramaic equivalent of Logos is Memra. Read and learn. http://www.bibleword.org/memra.htm#C



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Solo said:
Imagican said:
Oh NO, Solo has just 'put me in my place'. A worshiper of Satan and NO light in my heart whatsoever. he he he.

Solo, I will offer warning once again: Beware of 'what' you choose to 'think' you are able to judge. For HOW you judge WILL be how YOU are judged.

You may choose to 'twist' the words of scripture in ANY way you choose. That IS your purogative. I, however, simply choose to undertand them as they have been revealed.

The Word IS the Word of God. PERIOD. Christ offered US that Word and stated plainly that it was NOT His own, but given Him BY the Father to 'give to us'. Do you dispute this offering? For if so, please explain to us 'simpletons', exactly HOW Christ could both BE the Word and then state without a doubt that the Word is NOT His.

Once again, 'trinitarianism' clouding the understanding of those that MUST alter scripture in order to 'justify' their belief. This doctrine forces those that follow it to 'avoid' much scripture in order to focus on that which they have been 'taught by man'. Christ WAS created by the Father. 'Trins' will try and tell those that they attempt to subvert, that the Father, in the case of Christ and His Father, really doesn't mean; Father. That Father in 'this case' means 'something else'. I KNOW what a Father IS and no amount of 'wishful thinking' will change what the word means. For there to BE a Son, there MUST be a Father. and the Father ALWAYS comes BEFORE THE SON. For the Son is a PART of the Father. For this to be 'true', then the Son MUST be created FROM the Father.
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The Word is God according to the Word of God. Your refusal to accept the Word of God is prevalent in your posts and shows your lack of submission to God the Spirit. The Word is not created, for the Word created all things. Nothing was created apart from the Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God, Jehovah God, God Almighty. Why do you accept some of the scripture but deny the whole counsil of God? Correct it or you will be in anguish.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:1-3


6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6



The Aramaic equivalent of Logos is Memra. Read and learn. http://www.bibleword.org/memra.htm#C



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Thanks Solo, AND know your not alone.
 
John here: Whatever? (but I notice that the Bible study of Matt. 4:4 started by me, seems to be doing quite well 'HIT/WISE')

I wonder if the CAPS in the K.J. of Revelation 17:5 might best be altered to smaller letters, they sure don't seem to have any response from around planet earth, huh? Or the Words penned by Samuel in 1 Samuel 25:22 in the K.J. one might find very offensive, plus many others? We can see that the 'modern translators' changed them. We just must have it as I the majority want it? Matthew 7:13-14? :oops:

Then again, it might just be as Peter was inspired to pen in 2 Peter 3:16.
Personally for me, I see this thread subject 'Of The Godhead' understood best by ALL who are seen in Christ's SIMPLE UNDERSTOOD WORDS OF: "IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS". And for me? I read all kind of educated, uneducated, rich, poor, good grammar, bad grammar, fair, good, & bad spelling [POSTS] by folks. All of this 'arm of flesh stuff' doesn't much matter to me.

When any will not 'yield' their stubborn will to Christ, why would the Holy Ghost (Acts 5:32) give understanding on this 'doctrine' of the Godhead to them?

One might best bold up the lettering of Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:13-14

And just one last thought on 'love'? Your post was not sent in private to my email box. Why? (take note that is matters not, from this end) Yet, it does matter to others who are new in the 'professed' faith! So it seems that we also [again] deviate from the thread, huh? Yes, that is very loveable. :fadein:
 
John the Baptist said:
jgredline said:
Listen.
This goes out to all you unitariums out there
I would encourage you to take 20 minutes to listen to Jon Coursens
message that is dated 7 6 06
http://www.joncourson.com/searchlightra ... ograms.asp

It kills your arguments.

To all you trinitariums out there listen and be encouraged.
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Hay, are you the sect of Jehovah Witnesses?

----John
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No I am not from the JW cult, but then you knew that already.
 
jgredline said:
John the Baptist said:
jgredline said:
Listen.
This goes out to all you unitariums out there
I would encourage you to take 20 minutes to listen to Jon Coursens
message that is dated 7 6 06
http://www.joncourson.com/searchlightra ... ograms.asp

It kills your arguments.

To all you trinitariums out there listen and be encouraged.
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Hay, are you the sect of Jehovah Witnesses?

----John
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No I am not from the JW cult, but then you knew that already.
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Hay, that 'posted' comment sounded like I lied? But no, I do not pay much attention to a posted up name, and no, I did not know that the post was not from the J.W. group.

I was on a site where they were posting in groups, if I recollect
:wink: rightly?
But, no, names on here do not make for any merit as for me remembering them. I try to block 'most' of them out of my discourse, & just reply to the message given.

Anyhow, no personal offence meant. :oops:

---John
 
John

I responded to you on the thread rather than PM because it was you who was complaining (on the thread) that people did not read your highlights. I was offering a reason why I and others (not only in this thread) may not actually see your point. I'm not talking about the validity of the point itself but the fact that the highlighting that you referred to detracts, rather than adds to the message you are trying to convey.

I apologise if I have caused offense but I wanted to let you and others know that your post which contained a message about these highlights, at least did not go unheeded.
 
jgredline said:
Listen.
This goes out to all you unitariums out there
I would encourage you to take 20 minutes to listen to Jon Coursens
message that is dated 7 6 06
http://www.joncourson.com/searchlightra ... ograms.asp

It kills your arguments.

To all you trinitariums out there listen and be encouraged.
Click to expand...

Looks like my PC has been trained not to accept spurious teachings from trinitarian web sites. Either that or I have a technical problem with streaming this media or . . .

So what does it say?
 
mutzrein said:
jgredline said:
Listen.
This goes out to all you unitariums out there
I would encourage you to take 20 minutes to listen to Jon Coursens
message that is dated 7 6 06
http://www.joncourson.com/searchlightra ... ograms.asp

It kills your arguments.

To all you trinitariums out there listen and be encouraged.
Click to expand...

Looks like my PC has been trained not to accept spurious teachings from trinitarian web sites. Either that or I have a technical problem with streaming this media or . . .

So what does it say?
Click to expand...

I will be working on getting all the veses and lecture on paper. I hopefully will have it in a few days
 
jgredline said:
mutzrein said:
jgredline said:
Listen.
This goes out to all you unitariums out there
I would encourage you to take 20 minutes to listen to Jon Coursens
message that is dated 7 6 06
http://www.joncourson.com/searchlightra ... ograms.asp

It kills your arguments.

To all you trinitariums out there listen and be encouraged.
Click to expand...

Looks like my PC has been trained not to accept spurious teachings from trinitarian web sites. Either that or I have a technical problem with streaming this media or . . .

So what does it say?
Click to expand...

I will be working on getting all the verses and lecture on paper. I hopefully will have it in a few days
Click to expand...

*****
Hi, if any person can take the time to read & type out others work, why not just do a study asking God to lead you (Romans 8:14) into studying for yourself, with His Word only?? Matthew 4:4 & 2 Timothy 3:17

Surely, by just looking over these sites, one must realize that there are reams, and reams of flawed material on each & every doctrinal thread subject offered? The warning of Revelation 17:5 & Revelation 3:9 needs acceptance!

Gods Word says: "Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord." Jer. 17:5 Surely these Rev. ones above in todays setting cannot be trusted??

God's Word does explain itself on each & every doctrine if one will make a full and complete surrender to Him. Matthew 28:20 All else is dangerous! see Acts 5:32 in the K.J. Submission in Obedience is required.

My suggestion would be that one ask their/self the first required of God question to be answered of them, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." Who then that is Born Again, would put any stock on the subject of the 'Godhead' from any who flunk this simple test???

---John
 
John,

I have offered MANY posts that include scripture that PLAINLY states that Christ was a 'created' entity. You have simply allowed 'trinity' to cloud you ability to 'understand' what has been offered.

THE FATHER. The Son. You would HAVE to TWIST, not only scripture, but the definitions of these TWO words themselves, in order to NOT accept that Christ WAS created. The ONLY begotten; of course there are those that state this 'really' doesn't mean begotten, it has a 'different' definition when referring to Christ.

You's guys are really quick to accuse those that disagree with 'your trinity'. And then even offer that there is 'a lack of love' residing in those that refuse to accept what you yourselves have 'bought into'. I have YET to accuse ANYONE here of 'not being born again' or 'lost'. I have certainly pointed out 'false interpretation' of the churches and those that follow these rather than the Word. For this IS my job.

I know how frustrating it must be to try and 'prove' something that can't be proven. And it becomes obvious from the 'true' lack of love offered by those that must endure this frustration that this 'doctrine' is NOT 'truth'. For there is NO hate for 'others' in Christ. He taught forgiveness and sacrifice NOT envy, anger or hate.

From it's inception until this very day, 'trinity' has caused NOT 'true' understanding and a 'separation' from brothers and sisters that WOULD not be brought about by ANY true knowledge offered by Christ OR the Father.

So, continue with your accusations and inuendo but understand, that it is those that offer such that truly 'prove' what spirit 'they' follow.
 
Imagican said:
John,

I have offered MANY posts that include scripture that PLAINLY states that Christ was a 'created' entity. You have simply allowed 'trinity' to cloud you ability to 'understand' what has been offered.

THE FATHER. The Son. You would HAVE to TWIST, not only scripture, but the definitions of these TWO words themselves, in order to NOT accept that Christ WAS created. The ONLY begotten; of course there are those that state this 'really' doesn't mean begotten, it has a 'different' definition when referring to Christ.

You's guys are really quick to accuse those that disagree with 'your trinity'. And then even offer that there is 'a lack of love' residing in those that refuse to accept what you yourselves have 'bought into'. I have YET to accuse ANYONE here of 'not being born again' or 'lost'. I have certainly pointed out 'false interpretation' of the churches and those that follow these rather than the Word. For this IS my job.

I know how frustrating it must be to try and 'prove' something that can't be proven. And it becomes obvious from the 'true' lack of love offered by those that must endure this frustration that this 'doctrine' is NOT 'truth'. For there is NO hate for 'others' in Christ. He taught forgiveness and sacrifice NOT envy, anger or hate.

From it's inception until this very day, 'trinity' has caused NOT 'true' understanding and a 'separation' from brothers and sisters that WOULD not be brought about by ANY true knowledge offered by Christ OR the Father.

So, continue with your accusations and inuendo but understand, that it is those that offer such that truly 'prove' what spirit 'they' follow.
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What bible do you use?
 
John the Baptist said:
jgredline said:
mutzrein said:
jgredline said:
Listen.
This goes out to all you unitariums out there
I would encourage you to take 20 minutes to listen to Jon Coursens
message that is dated 7 6 06
http://www.joncourson.com/searchlightra ... ograms.asp

It kills your arguments.

To all you trinitariums out there listen and be encouraged.
Click to expand...

Looks like my PC has been trained not to accept spurious teachings from trinitarian web sites. Either that or I have a technical problem with streaming this media or . . .

So what does it say?
Click to expand...

I will be working on getting all the verses and lecture on paper. I hopefully will have it in a few days
Click to expand...

*****
Hi, if any person can take the time to read & type out others work, why not just do a study asking God to lead you (Romans 8:14) into studying for yourself, with His Word only?? Matthew 4:4 & 2 Timothy 3:17

agreed

Surely, by just looking over these sites, one must realize that there are reams, and reams of flawed material on each & every doctrinal thread subject offered? The warning of Revelation 17:5 & Revelation 3:9 needs acceptance!

agreed

Gods Word says: "Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord." Jer. 17:5 Surely these Rev. ones above in todays setting cannot be trusted??

agreed, and this IS my point concerning 'trinity'.

God's Word does explain itself on each & every doctrine if one will make a full and complete surrender to Him. Matthew 28:20 All else is dangerous! see Acts 5:32 in the K.J. Submission in Obedience is required.

agreed.

My suggestion would be that one ask their/self the first required of God question to be answered of them, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." Who then that is Born Again, would put any stock on the subject of the 'Godhead' from any who flunk this simple test???

Can't agree on this, for if this IS a requirement to 'be saved', then we are ALL lost. For there is NOT one that is able to 'pass' this test. If there were, then Christ came and died in vain.

---John
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John, I dig your comments and understanding offered. I don't always 'agree' with what you offer but it is obvious that there is understanding in what you offer. Sometimes, the direct understanding of the 'truth', but sometimes nothing more than what you have learned to accept from the churches. I WILL not state that this 'separates' you from the Father, but I will say that your judgement of your brothers and sisters MAY have this potential.

God Bless You

MEC
 
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