Two lakes of fire?

[OzSpen]

As always, I put this out for informational purposes only. I have seen a few NDE accounts which indeed mention two lakes-of-fire. The first one is in the current, temporary Hell (Sheol) and is the current fate of some of the damned. The second lake is Gehenna, a bigger LOF that will, after final judgment, accept Sheol and everything/one in it. The first one is on the Earth, well actually in the Earth, at its center. I don't know where the second one is.

Kevin,

The best place to start is with the Scriptures and not near-death experiences, which are so subjective.

By the way, Sheol is the place in the OT for life after death for both believers and non-believers. The NT equivalent is Hades.

In the 'Hell Fire' thread, I presented this biblical evidence of what happens at death:

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We learn from the Scriptures that there are three dimension to death. These are:

• Physical death. This is the separation of the soul from the body and this is the penalty of sin (see Gen. 2:17; 3:19; Num 16:29; 27:3; John 8:44; Rom 5:12, 14, 16, 17; 1 Peter 4:6).
• Spiritual death. This is the separation of the soul from God which is a penalty from the fall into sin in the Garden of Eden (see Gen 2:17; Rom 5:21; Eph 2:1, 5; Luke 15:32; John 5:24; 8:51).
• Eternal death (the second death). This is the completion of spiritual death, the eternal separation of the soul from God which is accompanied by eternal punishment (see Matt 10:28; 25:41; 2 Thess 1:9; Heb 10:31; Rev 14:11). [this outline from Henry Thiessen 1949:271-272]

If you are interested, I can provide biblical references to demonstrate that the OT teaching is that there is life after death and all people go to Sheol. In the NT, before the resurrection of Jesus, the unrighteous went to Hades (see the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31 ESV ). Hades appears 10 times in the Greek NT. The LXX (the Greek translation of the OT) translates the Hebrew Sheol almost always with the word, Hades. So Sheol and Hades are exact equivalents.

Is there a conscious existence after death? Luke 16:19-31 ESV teaches that there is - as well as other portions of the NT.

 

[KevinK]

I'm not exactly a stranger to the Bible. Except for kindergarten, I went to only Catholic schools, right through college. I've read through the Hell Fire thread. NDE stories may be subjective, but they are also consistent. I'm familiar with both terms Sheol and Hades. I haven't personally had a Near Death Experience; I did have an Out-of-Body experience which changed the course of my life.

It just seemed appropriate to address the OP's original questions about whether there could be two lakes-of-fire. Two lakes are clearly mentioned in several NDE accounts.

 

[OzSpen]

I'm not exactly a stranger to the Bible. Except for kindergarten, I went to only Catholic schools, right through college. I've read through the Hell Fire thread. NDE stories may be subjective, but they are also consistent. I'm familiar with both terms Sheol and Hades. I haven't personally had a Near Death Experience; I did have an Out-of-Body experience which changed the course of my life.

It just seemed appropriate to address the OP's original questions about whether there could be two lakes-of-fire. Two lakes are clearly mentioned in several NDE accounts.

I have not found two lakes of fire in biblical revelation (Scripture) and that's the source of my theology, not NDE accounts.

 

[BigSodaExposer]

I'm not exactly a stranger to the Bible. Except for kindergarten, I went to only Catholic schools, right through college. I've read through the Hell Fire thread. NDE stories may be subjective, but they are also consistent. I'm familiar with both terms Sheol and Hades. I haven't personally had a Near Death Experience; I did have an Out-of-Body experience which changed the course of my life.

It just seemed appropriate to address the OP's original questions about whether there could be two lakes-of-fire. Two lakes are clearly mentioned in several NDE accounts.

Thanks for your thoughts with your out of body experience.

 

[BigSodaExposer]

I have not found two lakes of fire in biblical revelation (Scripture) and that's the source of my theology, not NDE accounts.

Notice, "cast alive", as in going into a lake of fire in this 3D flesh reality Revelation 19:20 "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." and notice A lake not THE lake

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Second death lake of fire

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

There is a physical real - 3D space - governed by laws. Everyone with a carnal mind knows the world. And then there is spiritual, heavenly, or anything not of 3D space. As in higher then 3D space. no laws here. No time. Light is provided by God's glory not the sun. 3D space would have to be the land of the living. As in not dead yet. Revelation 21:8 says cast alive into the lake of fire. This makes me think of a lava pit. Equaling destruction of the physical body. Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:". Yet in Revelation 21:8 the lake of fire is described as the second death. IF the beast and false prophet were cast ALIVE into the lake of fire that would be their first death wouldn't it?