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Two or Three and the Need

wondering said:
How does the concept you believe function....
and does the Spirit have needs...
Tas, for example, the body has needs: Like food.
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7Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. Ge. 2

Great questions. Man was created a two part being of body formed out of the earth and soul. the feelings and so forth the body runs by, its fleshly functions and desires. But both of these things the body and soul were inanimate until the Lord breathed the Spirit into him. The spirit holds all the higher functions of the spirit. But when they ate of the forbidden knowledge the Lord told them "dying they would die" speaking of two different deaths. One death happened in the Garden when the soul died. The other death will be our fleshly body. When the soul died it like collapsed and in a spiritual sense the soul like a decomposing body is sending poison in a spiritual sense that is the cause of the physical death and why science cannot figure out why men die. There was a punishment years ago where they affixed a dead body to the condemned and as it decomposed all those poisons leeched into and caused the death of the guilty.

The spirit as having been given by God is eternal as it is literally part of Him. When Abram was transformed into Abraham the portion added to Abram is part of God's own Name given in a gentle breathing out just as was done with Adam. This impartation is what we call being Born Again. 12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and He. 4 Here is how that process takes place. The soul is separated just as the foreskin in circumcision was removed and this spiritual circumcision does not remove the soul which is not eternal like the spirit. The Soul or as we often call it the fleshly Old Man and the Spiritual New Man, Christ, dwells in me. 2 Cor. 4 is a good passage.
 
Shekinahglory said:
7Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being. Ge. 2

Great questions. Man was created a two part being of body formed out of the earth and soul. the feelings and so forth the body runs by, its fleshly functions and desires. But both of these things the body and soul were inanimate until the Lord breathed the Spirit into him. The spirit holds all the higher functions of the spirit. But when they ate of the forbidden knowledge the Lord told them "dying they would die" speaking of two different deaths. One death happened in the Garden when the soul died. The other death will be our fleshly body. When the soul died it like collapsed and in a spiritual sense the soul like a decomposing body is sending poison in a spiritual sense that is the cause of the physical death and why science cannot figure out why men die. There was a punishment years ago where they affixed a dead body to the condemned and as it decomposed all those poisons leeched into and caused the death of the guilty.
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Hi S,

Yes, indeed there was a death imposed on some in O.T. times which consisted of being tied to a dead body, as referenced in Romans 7:24...

BODY OF DEATH

deth (soma tou thanatou):

These words are found in Paul's impassioned argument on the reign of the law, which dooms man to continuous disappointment and convinces him of the terrible power of indwelling sin. "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" (Romans 7:24 the King James Version). It is the "picture of the still unredeemed man in his relation to the law" (Meyer). The translation, "this body of death," though grammatically possible, is logically impermissible. The picture here before the mind of the apostle is not physical but ethical. Death points to the dominion of sin, to the reign of the law, as revealed in his physical life, from which he is delivered only through regeneration, by faith in Christ. It points to the "I must" and to the "I cannot." It is therefore the bondage under the law of sin, the body as the seat of this conscious and bitter struggle, that the figure points at. And yet the ethical may have a physical background. There may be a distant reference here to the dreadful punishment of the ancients of chaining the living body to a corpse, that the constant corruption of death might extinguish the life of the victim of this exquisite torture.

source: https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/body-of-death/


The spirit as having been given by God is eternal as it is literally part of Him. When Abram was transformed into Abraham the portion added to Abram is part of God's own Name given in a gentle breathing out just as was done with Adam. This impartation is what we call being Born Again.
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12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and He. 4 Here is how that process takes place. The soul is separated just as the foreskin in circumcision was removed and this spiritual circumcision does not remove the soul which is not eternal like the spirit. The Soul or as we often call it the fleshly Old Man and the Spiritual New Man, Christ, dwells in me. 2 Cor. 4 is a good passage.
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Re 2 Corinthians 4; I wonder if you mean the following verses.

16Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day. 17For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison, 18while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I do believe that we are made up of 3 parts,,,as the verse you quoted above states:

Hebrews 4:12
12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow.

As you can see, Hebrews speaks of dividing soul, spirit, and body (the body being the joints and marrow). This is also repeated in 1 Thessalonians 5:23:
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I do believe, also, that both the soul and spirit live after the death of the body because our soul is what makes us unique as a person. The spirit certainly lives on since it is eternally given to us by God.
 
wondering said:
SOUL ---- and what about the spirit? Would it be part of the soul?
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I believe we are 3 body soul and spirit. The soul is us, the body is related to flesh and the spirit relates to God and his will. If we had no spirit it would be impossible to understand God and be tuned with him. Without a spirit the human race would be even worse off. The tribulation would happen for all time and not just 7 years.
 
Prycejosh1987 said:
I believe we are 3 body soul and spirit. The soul is us, the body is related to flesh and the spirit relates to God and his will. If we had no spirit it would be impossible to understand God and be tuned with him. Without a spirit the human race would be even worse off. The tribulation would happen for all time and not just 7 years.
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I agree.
I also believe in the trichotomy of man:
body
soul
spirit

There are some that believe in the dichotomy:
body
soul/spirit

Separating the soul from the spirit makes it easier to understand how we function.
However, in either case, the spirit must be an integral part of us if we are to know God.
 
I tend to think of myself as spirit in the tent of the body. The body is mortal and temporarily. I think the spirit is the same among mankind. I think what makes us unique from one another is our minds.
So perhaps the soul is the Spirit and mind unity which exists beyond the life of the body.

Also as the new creation the Spirit of Christ is given to us and dwells with us forever. Therefore we feed off of Jesus and live forever. And of course God has promised a new clothing/body at the resurrection that is not of the dust of the earth.
 
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