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Understanding Christianity and Islam

bodhitharta said:
Which accout of Paul is correct? In one accout those with Paul did not hear the voice but just saw the light and in another version it says they heard a voice and saw no one and another version says they all fell to the ground while yet another says only Paul fell to the ground.

Acts 9:7
And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one.

Acts 9:5
And he said, “Who are You, Lord?â€Â

Acts 22:8
So I answered, ‘Who are You, Lord?’



When Paul asked, "Who are you, Lord?" , he recognised and was addressing the person speaking to him as God and personal master. Evidently Paul's traveling companions heard a voice-like sound, but only Paul understood Jesus' words


Acts 22:11
And since I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of those who were with me, I came into Damascus.

Acts 22:14
Then he said, ‘The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will, and see the Just One, and hear the voice of His mouth.



When Saul opened his eyes, following the brilliant vision, he was unable to see anything, and it was necessary that he should be led by his companions into the city of Damascus. Even though these men also “saw the light,†they were not blinded. Why not?

This unique detail explains the matter. It was the “glory†of the light, ie., the radiance of the Lord Jesus himself (Acts 22:11; Acts 22:14), that his companions did not see, that temporarily robbed Saul of his vision. The details are complementary, not contradictory. They saw the light, but not the vision. They heard the sound, but did not understand the words. This epiphany was meant for Paul alone.




Acts 22:9 (NKJV)
And those who were with me indeed saw the light and were afraid, but they did not hear the voice of Him who spoke to me.

Acts 22:9 (NIV)
My companions saw the light, but they did not understand the voice of him who was speaking to me.



Obviously, according to the NIV translation of Acts 22:9, there is no contradiction, as you can hear a sound, but not the recognize it as the voice of one speaking. So is this translation justified? Sure. The original Greek makes a distinction between hearing a sound as a noise and hearing a voice as a thought-conveying message. The Greek "akouo", like ther word "hear", has two distinct meanings, to perceive sound, and to understand. This distinction makes sense also in light of the context. Recall the differing levels of perception. While the men heard an unintelligible sound and saw a light, Paul heard the voice and saw the person speaking. In fact, this type of distinction occurs in another place :

John 12:28-29
"Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again". The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him".


Here is a clear-cut example where a voice speaks, but is heard by some as an unintelligible sound.



The first account (Acts 9) tells the story of Paul's conversion as a third-person narrative.

The second telling (Acts 22) of Paul's conversion occurs in a speech Paul gives when he is arrested in Jerusalem. Paul addresses the crowd and tells them of his conversion.

The third discussion (Acts 26) of Paul's conversion occurs when Paul addresses King Agrippa , defending himself against the accusations of antinomianism that have been made against him.


We should not assume that the accounts are exhaustive. They are not. It's not as if the author of Acts is saying "this is how it happened" three separate times. The author does this once, and the other two times he relays Paul speaking about it in two different contexts. Now given that the author wasn't on the road to Damascus, and given that Paul was speaking from memory, and given that none of these are meant to be some exhaustive, detailed, point by point description, it is indeed wise to fit them all together. Furthermore, the account in Acts 26 relays a speech that Paul gave to King Agrippa which was only a synopsis. Acts 26 simply relays the manner in which Paul chose to convey his points.


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If you can accept your explanation even when it clearly states "we all fell" and then another version says "they stood speechless" and only Paul fell to the ground that's fine but in regards to Islam you shouldn't you use the same reasoning Power.

You say that Paul was approached by Jesus in spirit, Islam says that Muhammad was approached by Gabriel in spirit why can't both be right? The title of this thread is Understanding Christianity and Islam.

Muhammad was frightened when he encountered Gabriel and Paul was blinded why can't these both be true?

Paul was told to be a messenger for the gentiles and Muhammad was told to be a messenger for his people both of these were for the glory of God so why can't they both be true?

God communicated to Moses, Jesus communicated to Paul and Gabriel communicated to Muhammad, so why can't all these things be true?

Moses told the people to give up other gods and Muhammad told the people to give up other gods,
 
The way I understand Christianity and Islam....


They are the ONLY 2 religions that teaches that Jesus is the messiah, who was born of a virgin.
 
bodhitharta said:
If you can accept your explanation even when it clearly states "we all fell" and then another version says "they stood speechless" and only Paul fell to the ground that's fine but in regards to Islam you shouldn't you use the same reasoning Power.

I already told you. The 3 accounts were narrated in 3 different places under 3 different circumstances by Paul. If you are intent on picking on contradictions, you might as well as thrash out the whole BIble which seemingly abounds with dissimilarilties. Paul says "I fell to the ground" in Acts 22. He did NOT say "only I fell to the ground". Don't think that you can add the word "only" to back up your argument and that I will not notice it. You can't fool me. Many people all over the world are reading this post right now, but if I say "I am reading this post", does it mean "only I am reading this post" ? As to the men who "stood speechless", they could have hit the dust and fell later. The point you should take note of is NOT whether or not they "all fell" or "they stood speechless". The point is that there WERE indeed many travelling companions who will attest to what Paul experienced with Jesus. UNDERSTAND ?


bodhitharta said:
You say that Paul was approached by Jesus in spirit, Islam says that Muhammad was approached by Gabriel in spirit why can't both be right? The title of this thread is Understanding Christianity and Islam.

Muhammad was frightened when he encountered Gabriel and Paul was blinded why can't these both be true?

Paul was told to be a messenger for the gentiles and Muhammad was told to be a messenger for his people both of these were for the glory of God so why can't they both be true?

God communicated to Moses, Jesus communicated to Paul and Gabriel communicated to Muhammad, so why can't all these things be true?

Very simple and this is again I have already expounded before. Muhammad CLAIMED to have been visited by Angel Gabriel. Who was with him during the entire encounter? NOT A SINGLE WITNESS. He was deeply troubled by the incident as the "angel Gabriel" was very rough and forceful in delivering the message to him. This is very different from the Angel Gabriel that visited Mary and Joseph to deliver the message of the Messiah, in which case, the Angel was gentle and kind.

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sk0rpi0n said:
The way I understand Christianity and Islam....

They are the ONLY 2 religions that teaches that Jesus is the messiah, who was born of a virgin.

Any Tom, Dick, Harry ... Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist and even Satanist know that ! .......


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The writers of the Bible were not uneducated or ignorant. Peter and John were pragmatic fishermen. Paul was one of the best educated men of his day, equivalent to a Harvard, Yale or Oxford man in our culture. Matthew was a politician and tax accessor. Luke was a competent doctor. It is rather strange that while God would use such competent people to record His Word some 500 years before Muhammad, He would later use someone like Muhammad who was illiterate. Nobody knows for sure who wrote the Quran. Who wrote it really ? Does anyone know ?


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Tina said:
sk0rpi0n said:
The way I understand Christianity and Islam....

They are the ONLY 2 religions that teaches that Jesus is the messiah, who was born of a virgin.

Any Tom, Dick, Harry ... Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist and even Satanist know that ! .......


:biglol


I was not talking of muslims and christians 'knowing' he is the messiah. Im talking about them BELIEVING and TEACHING that Jesus is the messiah, who was born of a virgin.

So go ahead laugh at whats being said. Deep down, you know that not every Tom, Dick and Harry believe that he is the virgin-born messiah. And Im sure you dont believe Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists and Satanists definitely dont TEACH that he is the virgin-born messiah.
 
sk0rpi0n said:
I was not talking of muslims and christians 'knowing' he is the messiah. Im talking about them BELIEVING and TEACHING that Jesus is the messiah, who was born of a virgin.

So go ahead laugh at whats being said. Deep down, you know that not every Tom, Dick and Harry believe that he is the virgin-born messiah. And Im sure you dont believe Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists and Satanists definitely dont TEACH that he is the virgin-born messiah.

Islam can teach all about the Messiah , but that is not sufficient for salvation.


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