Understanding the first death concept - Adam and Eve

[Classik]

Someone told me something insightful about what God told Adam and his wife concerning the forbidden fruit. They were told they would die if the feed from that tree.

The devil deceived them. What was the death talked about? I said it was spiritual death....and physical death is as a result of the spiritual death, i thought.

He however answered that the presence of evil is the actual death. They died instantly after eating that forbidden fruit.

 

[JohnDB]

Or maybe they were immortal till they ate it.

But God gave them grace and forgiveness.

 

[smaller]

Someone told me something insightful about what God told Adam and his wife concerning the forbidden fruit. They were told they would die if the feed from that tree.

The devil deceived them. What was the death talked about? I said it was spiritual death....and physical death is as a result of the spiritual death, i thought.

He however answered that the presence of evil is the actual death. They died instantly after eating that forbidden fruit.

This is what happened to Adam, immediately after Adam, God's son, Luke 3:38, received God's Blessings:

Mark 4:
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

With Adam, God sows His Words, His Blessings. Then, Satan enters Adam's heart.

It's fairly easy to track this out. God could have pointed to any fruit bearing tree in the Garden to make the point. The "knowledge" of good and evil was located in "disobedience." First internal, in thought, because the "disobedient one" had entered Adam's heart. Then, by word disobedience. And, finally, the summation of disobedience in the "act" or "action" of disobedience by eating. The progression of internal deception/evil thoughts is first by thought, then by word, then by deed. These are 3 counts in the progressions of sin. As to operations of Satan within to deceive, John describes this same process as 'the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.' 1 John 2:16. Again, 3 counts in the order of Satan's deceptions.

From the moment God sowed His blessings on Adam, we should not be seeing "just Adam."

We should be seeing Adam, and Satan who had entered Adam's heart, to deceive and KILL him, which was, from that point on, the condition of all mankind.

Our flesh dies because of sin. And sin is of the devil.

From my sight, God never intended to leave Adam, his son, in a wet dust pile for eternity in any case. So, the whole thing was a Divine Setup from the beginning.

I wouldn't be too critical of either Adam or Eve. We will all be seeing them both, in heaven. So, be nice.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

He however answered that the presence of evil is the actual death. They died instantly after eating that forbidden fruit.

Evil was always present with Adam and Eve. It's when they partook of it that they died. And, yes, died spiritually the moment they partook of it.

The garden signifies the heart of man. In that garden grows good and bad fruit. God's plan for us is that we not partake of the bad fruit and die as a result.

"Watch over your heart with all diligence, For from it flow the springs of life." (Proverbs 4:23 NASB italics in original)

"follow the impulses of your heart and the desires of your eyes. Yet know that God will bring you to judgment for all these things." (Ecclesiastes 11:9 NASB)

This is why it's important that we--like Adam and Eve--only eat of the good fruit of the soil of our hearts.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Interesting thoughts, but there are a few things to consider. One is that Adam and Eve chose to eat the fruit. So before the theory presents itself, we had free will before sin. Second is that before they ate the fruit they did not recoginize that being naked was wrong in any way. The knowledge of evil seems to be from the fruit, not something they had in them before that time. The third thing is that as the serpent was convincing Eve of the merrit of the fruit, Eve was answering the conversation based on what she knew from what God told Adam. Satan had to lie and say to Eve not only would she not die, but would be like God. If Eve didn't believe the serpent instead of God who knows what would have happened. The serpent might sill have found a way to convince Adam or Eve, but also maybe not.