Unraveling Revelation: There Were Giants in the Earth in Those Days

[Free]

...which reminds me that the giants were cannibalistic:

And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. (Num. 13:32).

No, to suggest cannibalism is to completely misread the verse. It clearly states “a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof,” not “giants that eateth up the inhabitants.” Notice even that “thereof” speaks of location, hence “a land.”

...and that they mated with animals, as "all flesh was corrupted" (Gen. .6:12).

That is reading into the text. It is only speaking of humans.

There's an example of beings on earth that had human/animal features:


Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two lionlike men of Moab: also he went down and slew a lion in a pit in a snowy day. (1 Chr 11:22).

...which is where we get those stories/myths/legends of half-man, half-animal creatures throughout history, the mighty men, men of renown.

In the Book of Isaiah, the presence of satyrs, a human/goat "hybrid," is briefly mentioned:

But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there. (Isa. 13:21).

No, there never were nor are animal/human hybrids.

 

[hawkman]

So, are you saying that the whole African population and other descendants of Ham are demonic?

Are you saying all of African population descended from Ham ?

There was a second incursion of Giants and speculation is all we can do as to how it happened .
BUT we know for sure that there were Giants in the Holy Land ! We were but grasshoppers in their sight .

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

The `sons of God` there are angels of God but not fallen angels of Satan.

Satan is never called a `son of God,` but as you wrote the 4 names describing his tactics to deceive, delude, devour and destroy.

Why not? Satan was with them, he spoke on their behalf in front of God. If they were not fallen angels, why were they under judgement in Ps. 82:6-7? You acknowledge them as angels, they came down and mated with women, that made them fallen angels. "Nephelim" by definition means "fallen ones". "Son" in the term "sons of God" was used in the same sense of "sons of the republic", "sons of thunder", "sons of anarchy", or "son of a gun", it literally means "heavenly beings" with heavenly nature and origin, in contrast to "daughters of men" which emphasizes mortal, earthly nature and origin.

 

[Marilyn C]

Are you saying all of African population descended from Ham ?

There was a second incursion of Giants and speculation is all we can do as to how it happened .
BUT we know for sure that there were Giants in the Holy Land ! We were but grasshoppers in their sight .

No, some from Shem.

We are NOT to speculate. God says what He means and means what He says. There are variations in human`s size, colour, etc etc. Otherwise, it seems that you are saying all giant people are demonic.

 

[Hidden In Him]

We need to read God`s word ourselves with teachers the Lord has given and to do the work for ourselves of what is truth and not rely on early Church so called fathers, (Paul was a father...) to interpret for us. Great errors came in and continued till the great heresies of all of indulgences - paying for another out of (so called) purgatory.

Again, now, you are not talking about an early church tradition. You are talking about a 13th century tradition. I don't favor just any "traditions," I favor the early church ones.

It is only over the past few centuries that the basic truths of God`s word has come across the Body of Christ - Salvation, Baptism of believing adults, holiness living, infilling of the Holy Spirit, the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the ministry gifts of Christ the Head, and the eternal purposes of God.

And you can track each of those great truths over the past few centuries and even past few decades. Thus we see that the early Church so-called fathers did not do a good job of passing on truths but interpreted God`s word not always correctly.

No : ) You are again making the same mistake here. Later church traditions failed to pass things on well, but the early church traditions passed on the truth in regard to those matters.

As to Jude quoting the book of Enoch, I would say rather he has Deuteronomy 33: 3 as the primary source.

You mean this?

"Surely it is you who love the people;
all the holy ones are in your hand.
At your feet they all bow down,
and from you receive instruction,"

Are you sure that bears more parallels than this:

6 The high mountains will shake, the hills will be leveled, and they will melt like wax before the fire 7 The earth will be completely torn apart, and everything on it will perish, and there will be judgment upon all people. 8 But with the righteous, He will establish peace. He will protect the chosen, and mercy will be upon them. They will all belong to God, prosper, and be blessed. He will aid them, and light will shine for them, and He will make peace with them. 9 Behold! He comes with tens of thousands of His holy ones to pass judgment upon all, to annihilate all the wicked, to convict every soul of all the godless deeds they have committed, and of all the harsh words that godless sinners have spoken against Him. (1 Enoch 1:6-9)

14 Now Enoch, the seventh in descent beginning with Adam, even prophesied of them, saying, “Look! The Lord is coming with thousands and thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all, and to convict every person of all their thoroughly ungodly deeds that they have committed, and of all the harsh words that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and fault-finders who go wherever their desires lead them, and they give bombastic speeches, enchanting folks for their own gain. 17 But you, dear friends—recall the predictions foretold by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 For they said to you, “At the end of time there will come scoffers, propelled by their own ungodly desires.” 19 These people are divisive, worldly, devoid of the Spirit. (1 Jude 1:14)

 

[Marilyn C]

Why not? Satan was with them, he spoke on their behalf in front of God. If they were not fallen angels, why were they under judgement in Ps. 82:6-7? You acknowledge them as angels, they came down and mated with women, that made them fallen angels. "Nephelim" by definition means "fallen ones". "Son" in the term "sons of God" was used in the same sense of "sons of the republic", "sons of thunder", "sons of anarchy", or "son of a gun", it literally means "heavenly beings" with heavenly nature and origin, in contrast to "daughters of men" which emphasizes mortal, earthly nature and origin.

Now Satan was no where near God`s throne. Satan came before God as in stopping and having to answer God. God hears wherever angels or people are.

Good some scripture, Ps. 82: 6 - 7. `god`s in Hebrew can mean, deity, and also applied in deference to magistrates and sometimes as a superlative - angels, judges.

`Jesus answered them, " Is it not written in your law, I said, `Ye are gods?` If He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came,....` (John 10: 34 & 35)

 

[Marilyn C]

Again, now, you are not talking about an early church tradition. You are talking about a 13th century tradition. I don't favor just any "traditions," I favor the early church ones.


No : ) You are again making the same mistake here. Later church traditions failed to pass things on well, but the early church traditions passed on the truth in regard to those matters.


You mean this?

"Surely it is you who love the people;
all the holy ones are in your hand.
At your feet they all bow down,
and from you receive instruction,"

Are you sure that bears more parallels than this:

6 The high mountains will shake, the hills will be leveled, and they will melt like wax before the fire 7 The earth will be completely torn apart, and everything on it will perish, and there will be judgment upon all people. 8 But with the righteous, He will establish peace. He will protect the chosen, and mercy will be upon them. They will all belong to God, prosper, and be blessed. He will aid them, and light will shine for them, and He will make peace with them. 9 Behold! He comes with tens of thousands of His holy ones to pass judgment upon all, to annihilate all the wicked, to convict every soul of all the godless deeds they have committed, and of all the harsh words that godless sinners have spoken against Him. (1 Enoch 1:6-9)

14 Now Enoch, the seventh in descent beginning with Adam, even prophesied of them, saying, “Look! The Lord is coming with thousands and thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all, and to convict every person of all their thoroughly ungodly deeds that they have committed, and of all the harsh words that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and fault-finders who go wherever their desires lead them, and they give bombastic speeches, enchanting folks for their own gain. 17 But you, dear friends—recall the predictions foretold by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 For they said to you, “At the end of time there will come scoffers, propelled by their own ungodly desires.” 19 These people are divisive, worldly, devoid of the Spirit. (1 Jude 1:14)

Oh, sorry Deuteronomy 33: 2

`And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from mount Param, and He came with ten thousands of holy ones: from His right hand went a fiery law for them.`

And the detail we know is in Exodus 32: 15 - 28 Judgment of the LORD.

That is the SOURCE and all others from there.

 

[Marilyn C]

Again, now, you are not talking about an early church tradition. You are talking about a 13th century tradition. I don't favor just any "traditions," I favor the early church ones.


No : ) You are again making the same mistake here. Later church traditions failed to pass things on well, but the early church traditions passed on the truth in regard to those matters.


You mean this?

"Surely it is you who love the people;
all the holy ones are in your hand.
At your feet they all bow down,
and from you receive instruction,"

Are you sure that bears more parallels than this:

6 The high mountains will shake, the hills will be leveled, and they will melt like wax before the fire 7 The earth will be completely torn apart, and everything on it will perish, and there will be judgment upon all people. 8 But with the righteous, He will establish peace. He will protect the chosen, and mercy will be upon them. They will all belong to God, prosper, and be blessed. He will aid them, and light will shine for them, and He will make peace with them. 9 Behold! He comes with tens of thousands of His holy ones to pass judgment upon all, to annihilate all the wicked, to convict every soul of all the godless deeds they have committed, and of all the harsh words that godless sinners have spoken against Him. (1 Enoch 1:6-9)

14 Now Enoch, the seventh in descent beginning with Adam, even prophesied of them, saying, “Look! The Lord is coming with thousands and thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all, and to convict every person of all their thoroughly ungodly deeds that they have committed, and of all the harsh words that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and fault-finders who go wherever their desires lead them, and they give bombastic speeches, enchanting folks for their own gain. 17 But you, dear friends—recall the predictions foretold by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18 For they said to you, “At the end of time there will come scoffers, propelled by their own ungodly desires.” 19 These people are divisive, worldly, devoid of the Spirit. (1 Jude 1:14)

Early Church tradition substituted Bishops instead of Apostles, then infant baptism, and hierarchy - priests and laity.

 

[Hidden In Him]

`And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from mount Param, and He came with ten thousands of holy ones: from His right hand went a fiery law for them.`

Ok, that makes a little more sense, LoL.

But again, you think the parallels are closer? That verse really only bears one element in common. 1 Enoch 1:6-9 bears... eleven : )

Early Church tradition substituted Bishops instead of Apostles, then infant baptism, and hierarchy - priests and laity.

Where exactly? Not sure what you are pointing to here.

 

[Marilyn C]

Ok, that makes a little more sense, LoL.

But again, you think the parallels are closer? That verse really only bears one element in common. 1 Enoch 1:6-9 bears... eleven : )


Where exactly? Not sure what you are pointing to here.

Good discussion here. What I am saying is that Jude as an Apostle of Christ had revelation given him by Christ the Head. Jude wrote the revelation that it was Enoch who prophesied, Jude 14 & 15. Jude also had the SOURCE of the details in Deut. 33: 2 and Ex. 32: 15 - 28.

It was from those SOURCES that any other writings came forth. Thus, we always go to the SOURCE, God`s Word. Enoch just put the two SOURCES together and wrote the details.

 

[Marilyn C]

Ok, that makes a little more sense, LoL.

But again, you think the parallels are closer? That verse really only bears one element in common. 1 Enoch 1:6-9 bears... eleven : )


Where exactly? Not sure what you are pointing to here.

You were saying that I was just starting from the 13th century. I showed that heresies and error started way before that and gave the details.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Good discussion here. What I am saying is that Jude as an Apostle of Christ had revelation given him by Christ the Head. Jude wrote the revelation that it was Enoch who prophesied, Jude 14 & 15. Jude also had the SOURCE of the details in Deut. 33: 2 and Ex. 32: 15 - 28.

It was from those SOURCES that any other writings came forth. Thus, we always go to the SOURCE, God`s Word. Enoch just put the two SOURCES together and wrote the details.

Well then you get into the issue of dating, though. Scholarship generally has 1 Enoch predate the Book of Jude by around 200 years, and if that's so, Enoch could not have put the two together. If anything it would have to be Jude who did.

My apologies for the late responses, btw. Been sitting at the work computer and falling asleep. Apparently I didn't get enough rest today. LoL.

Blessings, and thanks for the courteous discussion. I might check out for tonight.

TTYT,
- H

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Now Satan was no where near God`s throne. Satan came before God as in stopping and having to answer God. God hears wherever angels or people are.

Then how and where did Satan present himself before God? How does he still get to accuse our brethren before our God day and night?

Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. (Rev. 12:10)

Good some scripture, Ps. 82: 6 - 7. `god`s in Hebrew can mean, deity, and also applied in deference to magistrates and sometimes as a superlative - angels, judges.

`Jesus answered them, " Is it not written in your law, I said, `Ye are gods?` If He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came,....` (John 10: 34 & 35)

Nonetheless, "sons of God" are wicked, they're under God's judgement for their abuse of power. They're not holy and righteous "Sethites", as Free and for_his_glory have speculated. As I've pointed out, calling on the name of the Lord doesn't make the caller godly; even if Enosh's generation were indeed godly, it had been at least seven generations and more than a thousand years from Enosh to Noah, godliness is not a hereditary trait that can be naturally passed down from parents to children. Look no further from the Israelites in the book of Judges, they were called sons of God, how long did it take for them to go astray?

 

[Marilyn C]

Well then you get into the issue of dating, though. Scholarship generally has 1 Enoch predate the Book of Jude by around 200 years, and if that's so, Enoch could not have put the two together. If anything it would have to be Jude who did.

My apologies for the late responses, btw. Been sitting at the work computer and falling asleep. Apparently I didn't get enough rest today. LoL.

Blessings, and thanks for the courteous discussion. I might check out for tonight.

TTYT,
- H

I thought you must be ready for bed. That`s fine answer tomorrow if you want to.

However, the book of Enoch does NOT predate the SOURCE which he got his information from - Deut. 33: 2 & Ex. 32: 15 - 28.

 

[Marilyn C]

Then how and where did Satan present himself before God? How does he still get to accuse our brethren before our God day and night?

Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. (Rev. 12:10)

Nonetheless, "sons of God" are wicked, they're under God's judgement for their abuse of power. They're not holy and righteous "Sethites", as Free and for_his_glory have speculated. As I've pointed out, calling on the name of the Lord doesn't make the caller godly; even if Enosh's generation were indeed godly, it had been at least seven generations and more than a thousand years from Enosh to Noah, godliness is not a hereditary trait that can be naturally passed down from parents to children. Look no further from the Israelites in the book of Judges, they were called sons of God, how long did it take for them to go astray?

And how do you `come before the Lord?` We have the Holy Spirit so do not have to be in the `physical` vicinity of God`s throne. Satan would have to `come before God` in that he has to stop deceiving man and listen and talk to God. he is `arrested` as it were by God`s power.

`Accusing us` is Satan`s continual mode as it were. He just spouts off about our wrong doings but God knows we are covered by the blood of Jesus. Satan is the deceiver and the greatest one deceived is himself.

Enoch was just before the flood and in Noah`s generation. (I am trying to get my diagrams here but having trouble).

4. Timeline of Seth.docx

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

And how do you `come before the Lord?` We have the Holy Spirit so do not have to be in the `physical` vicinity of God`s throne. Satan would have to `come before God` in that he has to stop deceiving man and listen and talk to God. he is `arrested` as it were by God`s power.

`Accusing us` is Satan`s continual mode as it were. He just spouts off about our wrong doings but God knows we are covered by the blood of Jesus. Satan is the deceiver and the greatest one deceived is himself.

I didn't ask how you or I come to God, I asked you how Satan presented himself before God, along with the "sons of God". Mortal men cannot directly come before the Lord, Ex. 33:20. Besides, angels have access to heaven through Jacob's ladder, which Jacob saw in his dream.

Enoch was just before the flood and in Noah`s generation. (I am trying to get my diagrams here but having trouble).

No he wasn't, he was Noah's great grandpa, three generations before Noah.

 

[hawkman]

And how do you `come before the Lord?` We have the Holy Spirit so do not have to be in the `physical` vicinity of God`s throne. Satan would have to `come before God` in that he has to stop deceiving man and listen and talk to God. he is `arrested` as it were by God`s power.

`Accusing us` is Satan`s continual mode as it were. He just spouts off about our wrong doings but God knows we are covered by the blood of Jesus. Satan is the deceiver and the greatest one deceived is himself.

Enoch was just before the flood and in Noah`s generation. (I am trying to get my diagrams here but having trouble).

4. Timeline of Seth.docx

This what you needed ?

The Genealogy of Seth

What is the genealogy of Seth? Why was his line considered righteous? What was the golden age of the pre-flood patriarchs?

www.biblestudy.org

 

[for_his_glory]

Where does it say that in scripture "only God can incarnate His angels into human form " ?
I would think God gives angels orders and they carry them out within parameters already laid out , they are messengers after all .
But what did the fallen angels do , that is another matter entirely .

It could be the bloodline that was corrupted before the flood continued after the flood , Noah's daughter-inlaws could be where the corruption was . Corruption of flesh in Gen 6 is told to us .

Bible scripture that backs this up ?

Let us read Strong's . Let that word fall soak in .

Strong's Hebrew: 5303. נְפִילִים (Nephilim) -- Giants

Strong's Lexicon
Nephilim: Giants
Original Word: נְפִיל
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: nphiyl
Pronunciation: neh-fee-LEEM
Phonetic Spelling: (nef-eel')
Definition: Giants
Meaning: a feller, a bully, tyrant

Word Origin: Derived from the root נָפַל (naphal), meaning "to fall."

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: There is no direct Greek equivalent for Nephilim in the Septuagint or the New Testament. However, the concept of giants is sometimes related to the Greek word "γίγας" (gigas), meaning "giant."

Usage: The term "Nephilim" is used in the Hebrew Bible to describe a group of beings of great size and strength. The word is often translated as "giants" in English versions of the Bible. The Nephilim are mentioned in the context of the pre-flood world and are associated with the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" narrative.

Cultural and Historical Background: The Nephilim are a mysterious group mentioned in the early chapters of Genesis. They are often associated with the antediluvian (pre-flood) world, a time described as being filled with violence and corruption. Various interpretations exist regarding their identity, ranging from fallen angels to mighty human warriors. In ancient Near Eastern cultures, stories of giants and demi-gods were common, and the Nephilim may reflect similar mythological themes.

The phrase "sons of God " in the OLD Testament , three separate times in the book of Job "sons of God" are shown to the angels , once you leave the Hebrew and go to the New Testament the meaning changes .

Angels can take on a form that we can not tell apart from human , we see that in the bible .
Show me where the bible talks about the angels genital's ?

Show me where it talks about the gender of angels in the bible .

We are but grasshoppers in their sight . I believe them .

Did you watch the video ?

Angels are spirit form and have no genitals or sperm in order to get a woman pregnant. Angels have no gender (Matthew 22:30) and are innumerable (Hebrews 12:22). They are incarnate in human form at times (Genesis 18:2-8) for the purpose of ministry.

 

[JLB]

Angels are spirit form and have no genitals or sperm in order to get a woman pregnant. Angels have no gender (Matthew 22:30) and are innumerable (Hebrews 12:22). They are incarnate in human form at times (Genesis 18:2-8) for the purpose of ministry.

Angels who left their own abode, and took on human form on earth did indeed.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6-7

Notice these angels who left their own abode are associated with sexual immorality.


For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
Matthew 22:30

• but are like angels of God in heaven.

Jesus is referring to angels in heaven.

The angels that had left their own abode had materialized on earth as human men; they were not in heaven.

 

[for_his_glory]

Angels who left their own abode, and took on human form on earth did indeed.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6-7

Notice these angels who left their own abode are associated with sexual immorality.


For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.
Matthew 22:30

• but are like angels of God in heaven.

Jesus is referring to angels in heaven.

The angels that had left their own abode had materialized on earth as human men; they were not in heaven.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is speaking about the corruption of man as to the corruption of fallen angels facing eternal fire as the judgement of God. Notice it says the angels in like manner being those who have fallen away from God and says nothing about angels having sex with females. God created the angels as spirit form unlike man in physical form that can be sexual active.

Sometimes we need to break away from a man's teaching and get back into the full context of the word for what has already been written.