Unveiling the Truth: The Bible's Second Chance for Salvation

[Alfred Persson]

Some propose we have only one life on earth to make our decision for or against God, that a "second chance" to repent and be saved doesn't exist. Two main texts are cited for this view: Hebrews 9:27 "it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment" which suggests the judgment concerns acts performed while alive.

That scripture has been taken out of context:

Christ said Christians "shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life" (Jn. 5:24 NKJ).

So the writer of Hebrews is talking about the unsaved dead, its appointed for them die once and then be judged.

Therefore, the "judgment" in Hebrews 9:27 is "the second chance" because, after being judged, some "eagerly wait for Him…for salvation" (Heb. 9:28 NKJ). That fits the meaning of the Greek krisis, it denotes a "trial, contest, selection" where an "opinion or decision" is given one way or the other.-Strong's Concordance.

Read it for yourself, it screams "second chance", its why Christ came, to save the lost:

24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another--
26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis),
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. (Heb. 9:24-28 NKJ)

How can we be certain this trial is not a judgment whether one died a Christian? Christ our Teacher (Mt. 23:10) said so (John 5:24). Moreover, as all the dead since the foundation of the world undergo the same "judgment", if dying a non-Christian condemns everyone who died before the 1st century, the trial would be a sick parody of justice. That cannot be.

The context implies what is being decided about the dead: It is written: "He…appeared….once at the end of the ages…to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself" so He would not "have…to suffer often since the foundation of the world" (Heb. 9:24-26). Therefore, the Judgment is whether Christ's sacrifice applies to the one being judged, whether he is one of the "many" saved by it. As belief or non-belief in Christ are the only grounds for salvation or condemnation (Matthew 21:42; Mark 12:10; John 3:16-18; 5:24; 14:6; 20:31; Acts 4:11-12;1 Peter 2:6-8), it follows belief or non-belief in the gospel of Christ decides the outcome of this Trial. Therefore, regardless of when someone died, the Gospel is preached to them so they be judged according to men in the flesh, but choose to live according to God in the spirit (1 Pt. 4:6).

That is "the trial", those who believe Jesus is "the Christ the Son of God" are saved, live according to God in the spirit and eagerly wait for Christ's second coming, for salvation, the resurrection to life. Having heard and obeyed Christ's voice while in the grave they done good (John 5:28-29).

ALL unsaved humanity goes through the same trial, from Adam and Eve forward. Therefore, all who repent and believe in Jesus during their trial have Jesus as the propitiation for their sins just as the scripture promises: "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world (1 Jn. 2:2 ).

 

[dwb001]

Some propose we have only one life on earth to make our decision for or against God, that a "second chance" to repent and be saved doesn't exist. Two main texts are cited for this view: Hebrews 9:27 "it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment" which suggests the judgment concerns acts performed while alive.

That scripture has been taken out of context:

Christ said Christians "shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life" (Jn. 5:24 NKJ).

So the writer of Hebrews is talking about the unsaved dead, its appointed for them die once and then be judged.

Therefore, the "judgment" in Hebrews 9:27 is "the second chance" because, after being judged, some "eagerly wait for Him…for salvation" (Heb. 9:28 NKJ). That fits the meaning of the Greek krisis, it denotes a "trial, contest, selection" where an "opinion or decision" is given one way or the other.-Strong's Concordance.

Read it for yourself, it screams "second chance", its why Christ came, to save the lost:


How can we be certain this trial is not a judgment whether one died a Christian? Christ our Teacher (Mt. 23:10) said so (John 5:24). Moreover, as all the dead since the foundation of the world undergo the same "judgment", if dying a non-Christian condemns everyone who died before the 1st century, the trial would be a sick parody of justice. That cannot be.

The context implies what is being decided about the dead: It is written: "He…appeared….once at the end of the ages…to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself" so He would not "have…to suffer often since the foundation of the world" (Heb. 9:24-26). Therefore, the Judgment is whether Christ's sacrifice applies to the one being judged, whether he is one of the "many" saved by it. As belief or non-belief in Christ are the only grounds for salvation or condemnation (Matthew 21:42; Mark 12:10; John 3:16-18; 5:24; 14:6; 20:31; Acts 4:11-12;1 Peter 2:6-8), it follows belief or non-belief in the gospel of Christ decides the outcome of this Trial. Therefore, regardless of when someone died, the Gospel is preached to them so they be judged according to men in the flesh, but choose to live according to God in the spirit (1 Pt. 4:6).

That is "the trial", those who believe Jesus is "the Christ the Son of God" are saved, live according to God in the spirit and eagerly wait for Christ's second coming, for salvation, the resurrection to life. Having heard and obeyed Christ's voice while in the grave they done good (John 5:28-29).

ALL unsaved humanity goes through the same trial, from Adam and Eve forward. Therefore, all who repent and believe in Jesus during their trial have Jesus as the propitiation for their sins just as the scripture promises: "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world (1 Jn. 2:2 ).

If you see my past posts about this on another thread it has already been torn to bits.
Do I really have to go through this again and highlight every assumption you have made by eisegesis rather than allowing exegesis?

 

[Highway54]

Some propose we have only one life on earth to make our decision for or against God, that a "second chance" to repent and be saved doesn't exist. Two main texts are cited for this view: Hebrews 9:27 "it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment" which suggests the judgment concerns acts performed while alive.

That scripture has been taken out of context:

Christ said Christians "shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life" (Jn. 5:24 NKJ).

So the writer of Hebrews is talking about the unsaved dead, its appointed for them die once and then be judged.

Therefore, the "judgment" in Hebrews 9:27 is "the second chance" because, after being judged, some "eagerly wait for Him…for salvation" (Heb. 9:28 NKJ). That fits the meaning of the Greek krisis, it denotes a "trial, contest, selection" where an "opinion or decision" is given one way or the other.-Strong's Concordance.

Read it for yourself, it screams "second chance", its why Christ came, to save the lost:


How can we be certain this trial is not a judgment whether one died a Christian? Christ our Teacher (Mt. 23:10) said so (John 5:24). Moreover, as all the dead since the foundation of the world undergo the same "judgment", if dying a non-Christian condemns everyone who died before the 1st century, the trial would be a sick parody of justice. That cannot be.

The context implies what is being decided about the dead: It is written: "He…appeared….once at the end of the ages…to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself" so He would not "have…to suffer often since the foundation of the world" (Heb. 9:24-26). Therefore, the Judgment is whether Christ's sacrifice applies to the one being judged, whether he is one of the "many" saved by it. As belief or non-belief in Christ are the only grounds for salvation or condemnation (Matthew 21:42; Mark 12:10; John 3:16-18; 5:24; 14:6; 20:31; Acts 4:11-12;1 Peter 2:6-8), it follows belief or non-belief in the gospel of Christ decides the outcome of this Trial. Therefore, regardless of when someone died, the Gospel is preached to them so they be judged according to men in the flesh, but choose to live according to God in the spirit (1 Pt. 4:6).

That is "the trial", those who believe Jesus is "the Christ the Son of God" are saved, live according to God in the spirit and eagerly wait for Christ's second coming, for salvation, the resurrection to life. Having heard and obeyed Christ's voice while in the grave they done good (John 5:28-29).

ALL unsaved humanity goes through the same trial, from Adam and Eve forward. Therefore, all who repent and believe in Jesus during their trial have Jesus as the propitiation for their sins just as the scripture promises: "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world (1 Jn. 2:2 ).

with the sin of Adam, man inherited death Rom 5:12. All humans to date have died that first death, but there is a resurrection that will bring them back to life. Those of them who sin after receiving eternal life however, will die again, the second death which means it is over no more chances. Simple as that Alfred.

 

[dwb001]

with the sin of Adam, man inherited death Rom 5:12. All humans to date have died that first death, but there is a resurrection that will bring them back to life. Those of them who sin after receiving eternal life however, will die again, the second death which means it is over no more chances. Simple as that Alfred.

How can people sin after receiving eternal life?
Where is that verse found?

 

[Alfred Persson]

If you see my past posts about this on another thread it has already been torn to bits.
Do I really have to go through this again and highlight every assumption you have made by eisegesis rather than allowing exegesis?

I thought so. I simplified the argument and you still can't refute it.

 

[Alfred Persson]

with the sin of Adam, man inherited death Rom 5:12. All humans to date have died that first death, but there is a resurrection that will bring them back to life. Those of them who sin after receiving eternal life however, will die again, the second death which means it is over no more chances. Simple as that Alfred.

Hebrews 9:27-28 is the second chance for unbelievers, as I proved. Your opinions about the second death are quaint, but not scripture.

 

[dwb001]

I thought so. I simplified the argument and you still can't refute it.

I already have refuted it in the other post.
Simplify it to a one paragraph idea.
You are still way to broad in your interpretation.
So take it in pieces... put forth a single idea and allow for that to be settled then make a followup point.
Or do we have to take the whole thing down again?

 

[dwb001]

Hebrews 9:27-28 is the second chance for unbelievers, as I proved. Your opinions about the second death are quaint, but not scripture.

Hebrews 9:27-28 has nothing to do with a second chance.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this cometh judgment;

So in a similar manner to the idea that there is single life to live then the judgement...

28 so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation.

In the same way(live once then judgement) Christ(having already been the sacrifice) will come again without needing to relive a lifetime(33 years on earth) and bring the believers to salvation.

Where is there any mention of a second chance?
I think you think you made a point... but you haven't.
You mention a few verses and string some words together and miss all the connecting bits that would make an argument reasonable or understandable.

Slow down and start again... baby steps.
One idea... discuss... agree... next idea.
Simple, right?

 

[dwb001]

Some propose we have only one life on earth to make our decision for or against God, that a "second chance" to repent and be saved doesn't exist. Two main texts are cited for this view: Hebrews 9:27 "it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment" which suggests the judgment concerns acts performed while alive.

That scripture has been taken out of context:

Christ said Christians "shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life" (Jn. 5:24 NKJ).

So the writer of Hebrews is talking about the unsaved dead, its appointed for them die once and then be judged.

Where do you make this leap of logic????
You have not connected any dots to get from John 5 to Hebrews 9.
This is an unreasonable assumption on your part.

Therefore, the "judgment" in Hebrews 9:27 is "the second chance" because, after being judged, some "eagerly wait for Him…for salvation" (Heb. 9:28 NKJ). That fits the meaning of the Greek krisis, it denotes a "trial, contest, selection" where an "opinion or decision" is given one way or the other.-Strong's Concordance.

Read it for yourself, it screams "second chance", its why Christ came, to save the lost:

I have read it and it does not scream anything of the sort.
Again you assume the answer without showing the work.

How can we be certain this trial is not a judgment whether one died a Christian? Christ our Teacher (Mt. 23:10) said so (John 5:24). Moreover, as all the dead since the foundation of the world undergo the same "judgment", if dying a non-Christian condemns everyone who died before the 1st century, the trial would be a sick parody of justice. That cannot be.

So your human sensibilities are greater than God's?
You are making leaps in your thoughts that are not shown by your work.
Show the connections you are saying are there.

The context implies what is being decided about the dead: It is written: "He…appeared….once at the end of the ages…to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself" so He would not "have…to suffer often since the foundation of the world" (Heb. 9:24-26). Therefore, the Judgment is whether Christ's sacrifice applies to the one being judged, whether he is one of the "many" saved by it. As belief or non-belief in Christ are the only grounds for salvation or condemnation (Matthew 21:42; Mark 12:10; John 3:16-18; 5:24; 14:6; 20:31; Acts 4:11-12;1 Peter 2:6-8), it follows belief or non-belief in the gospel of Christ decides the outcome of this Trial. Therefore, regardless of when someone died, the Gospel is preached to them so they be judged according to men in the flesh, but choose to live according to God in the spirit (1 Pt. 4:6).

You start of this whole paragraph with "implies" which I say it does not imply.
I say that because you have not shown where it says it does.
Just take a single verse at a time and spell out what you think it implies and allow for discussion.
Single verse... your thoughts... allow for feedback... next verse.

That is "the trial", those who believe Jesus is "the Christ the Son of God" are saved, live according to God in the spirit and eagerly wait for Christ's second coming, for salvation, the resurrection to life. Having heard and obeyed Christ's voice while in the grave they done good (John 5:28-29).

John 5:28-29 does not say what you paraphrased it as.
28 says... the dead in the graves hear the voice of God.
29 says... and then they come out... to be judged by what they did in life.
So these verses completely backup the traditional reading of Hebrews 9:27... one life, then the judgement.

ALL unsaved humanity goes through the same trial, from Adam and Eve forward. Therefore, all who repent and believe in Jesus during their trial have Jesus as the propitiation for their sins just as the scripture promises: "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world (1 Jn. 2:2 ).

What trial are you exactly talking about?
What verse says that during the trial you get to repent?
Jesus is the payment for our sins and the whole worlds... if we accept His Sacrifice during our lifetime.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Where do you make this leap of logic????
You have not connected any dots to get from John 5 to Hebrews 9.
This is an unreasonable assumption on your part.

Dots? Lines connect the proof:

Christ said Christians "shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life" (Jn. 5:24 NKJ). That means the "judgment" (2920 κρίσις krisis) in Hebrews 9:27 is deciding what happens to non-Christians after they die, not Christians.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life. (Jn. 5:24 NKJ)

Therefore, the "judgment" in Hebrews 9:27 is "the second chance for salvation", because after this judgment Christ will appear: "To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time…for salvation." (Heb. 9:28 NKJ).

 

[dwb001]

Dots? Lines connect the proof:

Dots need to be connected by the lines.

Christ said Christians "shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life" (Jn. 5:24 NKJ). That means the "judgment" (2920 κρίσις krisis) in Hebrews 9:27 is deciding what happens to non-Christians after they die, not Christians.

See here you have two dots in one place.
How is John 5 connected to Hebrews 9?
Different authors.. different audiences.
Please show your work.

Therefore, the "judgment" in Hebrews 9:27 is "the second chance for salvation", because after this judgment Christ will appear: "To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time…for salvation." (Heb. 9:28 NKJ).

Again Hebrews 9 does not show any second chance for salvation.
Where is this second chance.
Jesus was here during His life and will come a second time. That is what Hebrews appears to be pointing to.
Not a second swing at the can.

 

[Alfred Persson]

So your human sensibilities are greater than God's?
You are making leaps in your thoughts that are not shown by your work.
Show the connections you are saying are there.

Christ (who is God the Son) said Christians don't undergo "krisis" judgment. Hebrews 9:27 says people after they die undergo "krisis" judgment.

Christians are already saved by grace, so they aren't the ones being judged in Hebrews 9:27.

But Jesus' words have no impact on you.

Even if I had crayons, I couldn't show the connections to you.

 

[dwb001]

Christ (who is God the Son) said Christians don't undergo "krisis" judgment. Hebrews 9:27 says people after they die undergo "krisis" judgment.

Where did Christ say that?
See you are jumping too far in one go.
Slow your roll and we might have a chance here.

Christians are already saved by grace, so they aren't the ones being judged in Hebrews 9:27.

Why not?

But Jesus' words have no impact on you.

Even if I had crayons, I couldn't show the connections to you.

Maybe you need some crayons. Because you are jumping too many steps without any proof.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Where did Christ say that?
See you are jumping too far in one go.
Slow your roll and we might have a chance here.

Why not?

Maybe you need some crayons. Because you are jumping too many steps without any proof.

Where did Christ say that?

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life. (Jn. 5:24 NKJ)

 

[dwb001]

Where did Christ say that?

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment (2920 κρίσις krisis), but has passed from death into life. (Jn. 5:24 NKJ)

And now you change the wording.
You don't see the shift, but it is there.
My question what to you stringing two unrelated passages together and now you only present one passage.
And the verse you do quote is more nuanced then you appear to see.

The verse does not say that believers will not be judged.
I know you wont agree with that but it still remains true. Rev 20:11-15.
KRISIS also can be damnation or accusation or condemnation. And instead of using the fullest meaning of the word... you are reading it in the most legalistic way possible.

 

[Highway54]

How can people sin after receiving eternal life?
Where is that verse found?

Was Adam perfect? Who are those who join satan after his release that are cast into the lake of fire, would you say they sinned sir? Must be some reason why they would be cast into it.

 

[dwb001]

Was Adam perfect?

Where does the Bible say Adam had eternal life?
So swing and a miss.

Who are those who join satan after his release that are cast into the lake of fire,

The inhabitants of Earth during the Millennial reign of Christ who are not part of the first resurection.

would you say they sinned sir?

They were sinners from the start of the Millennium.

Must be some reason why they would be cast into it.

Because their names were not found in the Book of Life.

No tough questions here at all.

 

[Highway54]

Hebrews 9:27-28 is the second chance for unbelievers, as I proved. Your opinions about the second death are quaint, but not scripture.

Did you have a different explanation of Rev 20:14; 21:8 Alfred?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Did you have a different explanation of Rev 20:14; 21:8 Alfred?

Those saved by grace in this life are not being judged in Rev. 20:14, just the opposite. They are Christ's kings and priests who ruled with Christ during the Millennial Kingdom:


4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. (Rev. 1:4-6 NKJ)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. (Rev. 20:4 NKJ)

 

[Highway54]

Where does the Bible say Adam had eternal life?
So swing and a miss.

The inhabitants of Earth during the Millennial reign of Christ who are not part of the first resurection.

They were sinners from the start of the Millennium.

Because their names were not found in the Book of Life.

No tough questions here at all.

Where does the Bible say Adam had eternal life?

Rom 5:12

The inhabitants of Earth during the Millennial reign of Christ who are not part of the first resurection.
They were sinners from the start of the Millennium.

Exactly! You got it.